Misc. Game Mechanics

This post covers ideas that are just to simple to warrant their own post.

Having the ability to click on the map and see what is going on in that region if friendly players are there like League of Legends would be pretty useful in 250 vs 250 brackets

As developers I see you guys are putting a lot of effort into making cool looking weapons be nice if we could look at them close up and have ability to rotate them same thing with armour sets.

There is an old spell from Dungeouns and dragons called Chromatic Orb with 12 different effects or could be a weapon like a spear with sweep dazzle and impale abilities or just a mage spell like fireball with different effects. Think if you push lets say But lets say Chromatic Orb had only 7 effects then pushing that button could bring up the effect choices and press whichever one you want then automatically goes back to previous page. Aslo if you just push the Chromatic Orb button ounce then effect in box one is selected. Be pretty cool if we could arrange the order of the spell effects . Works very similar to page up and page down. And similar to pressing modifiers like shift alt and control and similar to stances. But what this does is introduces a two button sequence for abilities kind like in Tekken. Increases the number of abilities you can use without actaully increasing the number of keybindings that you need.

Be cool if pets could do stuff like open doors and pull levers or capture a flag. Well maybe not capture flag. Things is I play huntesr and well realized that pets can be to powerful in pvp, but there are a lot of other things that pets could do like have dnager sense track monsters. Plus be pretty cool if we could see a picture in a cloud of what they might be thinking. Like food they want to eat and player that just killed their master and wants revenge, or some toy to play with. Since rangers would be metally linked to pet then this would make sense. Just things that would make them more like a life long campanion than just a pet that does x damage.

That is all for now gents good day to you.

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consultant

Noaani wrote: »

consultant wrote: »

In-game chat is mostly filled -like 95%- with stuff I have no interest in.

Filter it better.

If you are in a raid and you dont have a chat tab dedicated to raid chat, you are raiding wrong.

Even in guilds where everyone is using voice chat, you still have a tab specifically for raid chat.

If 95% of what is in your raid chat is stuff you have no interested in, why are you in that raid?

I did not type that maybe it was a typo pls fix.

consultant

bloodprophet wrote: »

I still don't understand why simple in game typing chat channels are not ok?

I am guessing you are talking about using game typing in chat channels like right before the event to get organized. People may not be inclined to respong to like if you ask if any one wants to go to a certain pvp control even if they are going they might not respond or be paying attention or be talking to another person.

But could work fairly way prior ot event if poeple could go to there areas before event stars them people could ask for more people to certain areas adn the like

bloodprophet

consultant wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

I still don't understand why simple in game typing chat channels are not ok?

I am guessing you are talking about using game typing in chat channels like right before the event to get organized. People may not be inclined to respong to like if you ask if any one wants to go to a certain pvp control even if they are going they might not respond or be paying attention or be talking to another person.

But could work fairly way prior ot event if poeple could go to there areas before event stars them people could ask for more people to certain areas adn the like

Still working to understand what your proposing.
If VOIP won't work and in game chat channels are not good enough what are you proposing we use to oran

consultant

bloodprophet wrote: »

consultant wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

I still don't understand why simple in game typing chat channels are not ok?

I am guessing you are talking about using game typing in chat channels like right before the event to get organized. People may not be inclined to respong to like if you ask if any one wants to go to a certain pvp control even if they are going they might not respond or be paying attention or be talking to another person.

But could work fairly way prior ot event if poeple could go to there areas before event stars them people could ask for more people to certain areas adn the like

Still working to understand what your proposing.
If VOIP won't work and in game chat channels are not good enough what are you proposing we use to oran

Not proposing anything just saying the a text channel can be useful prior to the game or in a map that is not combat intensive with non combat periods so you have time to type.

Text channels usually do not work to well cause to busy fighting to stop and type something. But can work good if players are not all bunched up in one areas prior to game. If players were allowed to lets say go to siege weapons and wait a little bit until the event starts then he could let other players know position is already taken.

Dygz

During a siege, the direction people arrive in are in constant flux - based on the video we've seen before.
Instructions are given by voice; not by typing.
Which is to be expected. Most people in a siege, trying to coordinate, will probably do so via Discord.

consultant

Dygz wrote: »

During a siege, the direction people arrive in are in constant flux - based on the video we've seen before.
Instructions are given by voice; not by typing.
Which is to be expected. Most people in a siege, trying to coordinate, will probably do so via Discord.

Already explained this but things like discord will not work too well cuase you will not be doing open world events with yout guild mates you will be doing them with strangers from your node. Unless the all agree to go into a specific voice channel then discord will not work.}

I took the wrong appoach in explaining this by emphazising the number of people. It is the number people plus the random nature of the event. Already went into great detail explaining do not see how i could be any clearer. But it will be like lets all the people that show up to a kill a world boss and trying to get them all into one chat channel.

So for Open world pvp events in which you do not choose your team mates discord will not work. Matter of fact discord will not work for even an 8 man dungeon if you do not get to pick people that you play with. You can find 7 people willing to be in discord to do a dungeoun. But if there 7 people out side dungeoun not of your choosing getting all 7 of them into your discord. You could go with other people to do that dungeoun with you thing No such choice exists in Open World PvP events in Ashes of Creation.

Actually I do not use voice chat for large open world events cause feel no need just know were to go....so how are you and other people like me that do not use voice into your discord. Remember you cannot remove me from the event. Answer is you cannot so voice chat will not work for the Opne world PvP events in Ashes of Creation with the exeption fo guild wars or guild related pvp events cause guild leader requires guild members to be in voice chat or else will not participate.

It is the random nature of the event. Not so much the number of people number of people just makes problem work. Yes I know that discord works in games like Eve online were people make huge groups thin no one will be making huge groups just put into a group for event huge difference.

Noaani

consultant wrote: »

Already explained this but things like discord will not work too well cuase you will not be doing open world events with yout guild mates you will be doing them with strangers from your node. Unless the all agree to go into a specific voice channel then discord will not work.

We've been over this a few times, but I'll list it for you to make it simple.

Sieges - join Discord and listen for instructions or be a near useless auxiliary.
Guild wars - join Discord or look for another guild.
Node wars - join Discord and listen for instructions or be a near useless auxiliary.
Caravans - small scale content that doesn't need that level of communication.
Monster coin events - larger scale content that doesn't need that level of communication.
Bosses - join Discord or look for another guild.

That literally covers every type of content that is larger than a single group.

Dygz

@consultant
I don't understand why you think Discord would be limited to guildmates.
Also, I don't understand why you think the people in my Node would be strangers.
There will be server discord channels and Node discord channels.

Most likely the people showing up to work together to kill a world boss will be in a discord channel together.
Or, they could be on Twitch together with the raid leader giving commands being the twitch host.

I would say that chat bubbles will not work well in open world PvP combat because I will not be paying attention to chat bubbles in the midst of battle and Vhaeyne and several others here say the first thing they do is turn off chat bubbles.

There are not many PvP combat events that are random. Most of them are on a schedule.
The people I'm counting on to guard my caravan will be in voice chat...and I will not be communicating via text with other players while I'm trying to guard my caravan.

bloodprophet

So for Open world pvp events in which you do not choose your team mates discord will not work. Matter of fact discord will not work for even an 8 man dungeon if you do not get to pick people that you play with. You can find 7 people willing to be in discord to do a dungeoun. But if there 7 people out side dungeoun not of your choosing getting all 7 of them into your discord. You could go with other people to do that dungeoun with you thing No such choice exists in Open World PvP events in Ashes of Creation.

As there are no group finders you DO have full control who is in your group. You or the group leader has control over this stuff. However the only time I have ever been in VC during a dungeon run was hanging with friends and talking about random stuff. Typing in the groups channel was more then enough. This is smaller group stuff raids are different.

Actually I do not use voice chat for large open world events cause feel no need just know were to go....so how are you and other people like me that do not use voice into your discord. Remember you cannot remove me from the event. Answer is you cannot so voice chat will not work for the Opne world PvP events in Ashes of Creation with the exeption fo guild wars or guild related pvp events cause guild leader requires guild members to be in voice chat or else will not participate.

Your right. These large events will draw a lot of various people. The ability to communicate through VC is faster and easier then typing it out. But adding more complexity to it. We also have people from all over the world speaking various languages trying to communicate using these two systems. How do you fix that concern?

Communication is very important. You keep coming back to this idea you can't force people into VC and your right. Typing in chat channels is not as effective as VC again you are right. So no what?
What answers do you propose or see as a viable way to make communication better between the players?

consultant

I think you guys are missing the point. Just go to any open world event and start telling people what to do and see what happens. Group Leader????? Sincee when do people just accept group leaders in open world events. Group???? There is no group finders but you cannot contgrol who is going to play with you that is the point. I do not understand why you guys do not get this. It it very similar to a random Que but instead it poeple just so happen to show up. Technically you will be in a group but you do have any control who is going to be in that group for Open world pvp (exception is guild wars obviously). So whaty250 people show up for lets say node vs node defense and then some oneis going to give voice chat infrormation and the majority of them are just going to going into voice chat and on top of all that they are just going to accept you as your leader???

Schedule???? so what?? How does that get people that are strangers in voice chat even if you tell them in advance they will not join voice. The random nature is not the time it is that you cannot control the people that you are going to

Discord limited to Guildmates??? Voice chat is limited to the people that do not want to in it.

You guys are not getting point. see you can make a group of 250 and it works. But what you guys are not getting that your are acting as a filter only the people that 1) want to be in voice chat will be in that 250 group and 2) the person that started will be the accepted leader of the group. With out those 2 elements then voice chat is useless. And those elements are not present in Open world PvP.

Just to be clear in the example about finding 7 people to do a dingeoun with out a group finder the point is if you go ot a dungeoun entrance and find seven people jsut so happen to be outside the dungeouns. and tell them thay all have to be in voice chat to do a the dungeoun that will not work.

Voice chat works like this guys. You put a message that says Looking for people to do a dungeoun discord required and then out of the hundreds of people that get that message some of them respond most like people that already have discord and since you started that group then you are their accepted leader.
And that is the way voice chat works. Number of people not really importatnt.

But if there are seven people out side a dungeoun and you start telling them they need to be in your voice chat channel and you are going to be their group leader they most likely put you on ignore. So unless there is the 2 elements that i described Voice chat is useless.

I just do not understand why people imply that voice chat will work for Open world PvP events in which you have no control who you are going play with.

As far as ideas for cummications for Opne world PvP i have one or two more ideas but in this forums I cannot get passed the. Well just use discord.

bloodprophet

As far as ideas for cummications for Opne world PvP i have one or two more ideas but in this forums I cannot get passed the. Well just use discord. [/quote]

I have for the last several times I have posted in this thread to find out what your ideas are.
Don't say Teamspeak 3 that is just another version of discord. Don't say in game proximity voice chat that is just another version of discord with a lot less control and more trolls.

So far I have seen two ideas
Voice chat of some sort and typing in , in game chat channels.

What other options do you have to present as I would be interested in a better way to communicate?

Noaani

consultant wrote: »

I think you guys are missing the point. Just go to any open world event and start telling people what to do and see what happens.

I think you are missing the point.

Noaani wrote: »

Sieges - join Discord and listen for instructions or be a near useless auxiliary.
Guild wars - join Discord or look for another guild.
Node wars - join Discord and listen for instructions or be a near useless auxiliary.
Caravans - small scale content that doesn't need that level of communication.
Monster coin events - larger scale content that doesn't need that level of communication.
Bosses - join Discord or look for another guild.

Of these, the only thing that can really be considered an open world event is the monster coin events. There is no need to have any communication at all with them, as they will be simple in their design, and obvious in the objective.

If you want to consider sieges as open world events, then you need to take in to consideration that sieges will have a core of players that are organized. If you then wish to come along and treat it as an open event, you have the choice of joining that organized group of players (if they will allow you to join) or being a near useless auxiliary.

What you are seeming to not understand is that there isn't that random nature to the bulk of this that you think there is.

Most sieges will be well organized, both attacking and defending. Same with node and guild wars. Monster coin events will - as stated above - be very simple in their design and objective.

consultant wrote: »

I just do not understand why people imply that voice chat will work for Open world PvP events in which you have no control who you are going play with.

It wouldn't, but such events are not a thing in Ashes. This is what you are not understanding.

Dygz

I am definitely missing your point and don't share your vision of open world events.

Nodes will already have Discord Channels so if it's a Node event, people from your Node who are online will jump into the Node Discord Channel.
There will also be sub-channels for each Node.

I don't agree that Voice Chat works the way you describe.
First thing you do is see who's already in a VC channel. You don't necessarily have to ask people to join the channel.
If you want to get more people to join VC, you could @ Everyone in a Channel.
If you are in-game, you could send an invite to your Friends list I suppose, but typically we all enter voice chat as soon as we log in.
We will also know where the people we play with live, so we could travel to their homes and invite them, with chat bubbles if we wanted to. If we're looking for a group.

But, if there is a battle, like a Node Siege or Castle Siege - those will be scheduled. Caravan Defense will also probably be scheduled.

Why would I need to tell 7 people outside of a dungeon that they need to join voice chat? Why would I assume that they would want to pay attention to chat bubbles in the middle of a battle. I'm not going to be paying attention to chat bubbles in the middle of a battle in any case, so I wouldn't be expecting other people to.
If someone shouts out directions in "giant global text" I may or may not follow those directions.

I might very well use chat bubbles with strangers outside of combat, but I would not be paying attention to chat bubbles during combat.

There is a thread where @Azherae has a list of shortcuts for giving combat directions in chat bubbles - which seem great for those people who wish to use them - but, I don't think I would be paying attention to them in combat.

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