Dygz wrote: » I don't know why you are talking about the use of the word winning when my question asked if anyone complained about that kind of "winning" being toxic. Winning is irrelevant.
Dygz wrote: » Facts are facts.
Dygz wrote: » If you step into a boxing ring, that does not mean that you consent to being hit by a boxer. There are rules governing that. And there are penalties for attacking people inside the ring who have not consented to being hit.
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Elleandrias wrote: » This is coming from the toxic individual that blocked an entire guild on discord because he got meme'd on for typing forever xD We meme on Steven for typing forever and its not toxic man, its a joke. And I know plenty of old school MMORPG-ers that don't think the community is "toxic" at all, your subjective opinion on what is toxic and what isn't toxic is very different from the rest of the community and with you making asinine comments saying an entire guild is toxic when you really just got sad from some words only makes the situation worse.
Karatos wrote: » I've been Enveus maybe three weeks and there's very little toxicity. However, responses like these leave very little for me to say because it proves my point for me.Theres no full loot There are penalties for griefing There are no benefits for rpk If a person cannot handle someone who's not like them and the global diversity that comes with an MMORPG then it's not for the devs to solve. It's for them to grow as a human and change they way they perceive things. PKing is going to happen, this games mainstay in PvP and if that rubs someone the wrong way then don't partake in the game until even more anti-griefing and rpk procedures are put into place. Complaining about toxicity while unironically toxic seems to be the MO of most of the players out there, it's only toxic if the individual perceives it to be so, to which I say they can log off and gtfu.
Nerror wrote: » Right but we aren't talking about non-boxers going into the ring are we now? When you click that Launch Game button, you are that proverbial boxer going into the ring against another boxer, and yeah, you are absolutely giving your consent to being hit by that other boxer, even if you obviously try to avoid it.
Elleandrias wrote: » I don't know why you would ask the question of if someone was complaining about said things being toxic when OP literally made this post because he has been crying over all of them.
Dygz wrote: » Elleandrias wrote: » I don't know why you would ask the question of if someone was complaining about said things being toxic when OP literally made this post because he has been crying over all of them. The OP does not talk about winning being toxic and specifically does not talk about Sieges being toxic which is what I questioned. The OP talks about bullying being toxic; not game mechanics being toxic. But, I have to be done discussing this with you... go ahead and take the last word if you need to.
D3ATHSPARK wrote: » Elleandrias wrote: » This is coming from the toxic individual that blocked an entire guild on discord because he got meme'd on for typing forever xD We meme on Steven for typing forever and its not toxic man, its a joke. And I know plenty of old school MMORPG-ers that don't think the community is "toxic" at all, your subjective opinion on what is toxic and what isn't toxic is very different from the rest of the community and with you making asinine comments saying an entire guild is toxic when you really just got sad from some words only makes the situation worse. You don't even have the whole story yet you're running your mouth. I could care less what a bunch of kids say to me, or how you put it "meme" on me. I have incredibly thick skin and don't take a single thing to heart. Sure I blocked a few so I didn't have to read juvenile comments but that is not how Enveus got blacklisted. That happened when they got butthurt over me blocking them and they decided to join my Discord and attempted to sabotage my guild. Any guild that uses a mob mentality to do something like that earns a global blacklist imo. So you're guilty by association. Maybe understand who your GM is before trying to defend such toxic people.
Dygz wrote: » Nerror wrote: » Right but we aren't talking about non-boxers going into the ring are we now? When you click that Launch Game button, you are that proverbial boxer going into the ring against another boxer, and yeah, you are absolutely giving your consent to being hit by that other boxer, even if you obviously try to avoid it. We are talking about forcing non-combatants to be involved in combat. You do not become a combatant by clicking the Launch Game button. You become a combatant by flagging for PvP combat. If clicking Launch Game was consent, everyone would be a combatant by default and there would be no non-combatants. Which is why killing non-combatants is penalized with Corruption.
Cold 0ne FTB wrote: » Well no. Your wrong. You might not specifically consent to fight that person but every time you go somewheres were PvP is a possibility you are by default consenting to it.
D3ATHSPARK wrote: » Karatos wrote: » I've been Enveus maybe three weeks and there's very little toxicity. However, responses like these leave very little for me to say because it proves my point for me.Theres no full loot There are penalties for griefing There are no benefits for rpk If a person cannot handle someone who's not like them and the global diversity that comes with an MMORPG then it's not for the devs to solve. It's for them to grow as a human and change they way they perceive things. PKing is going to happen, this games mainstay in PvP and if that rubs someone the wrong way then don't partake in the game until even more anti-griefing and rpk procedures are put into place. Complaining about toxicity while unironically toxic seems to be the MO of most of the players out there, it's only toxic if the individual perceives it to be so, to which I say they can log off and gtfu. It doesn't matter how long you've been in the guild. You're guilty by association. Do more research before joining a guild perhaps? This also has nothing to do with different playstyles. PKing is a normal thing and that's not what I'm talking about. I said if the majority of the player base on a server is zerg guilds who have toxic mentality it will be a place where no one wants to play there. That could be a variety of different things. No, this isn't something for the devs to fix directly, but it's something to think about... hence why this post was started. Ashes could potentially fail as a game despite actually having good systems and design. A game like this hasn't been made in decades and things have changed A LOT since then.
Karatos wrote: » You're grown man, the GM is a grown man. Nothing stops you from talking to him about your issues, handle your business. Am I going to punish your guild for you being weird and knowing I'm in Enveus on an old handle? Nope. I still will never care about what your issue is it doesn't involve me, but you have your own reputation to contend with, good luck. PKing is just old school full loot before they removed full loot, it's the original playstyle for PvP. Zerg guilds are players and zerging is a valid playstyle and tactic.. again toxic being the subjective part. Most zergs I've seen usually are fodder with the exception of the core guild. I did think about it, but in my experience, it's usually the non-PvPrs who seem to hold an entitlement mentality that they're more important than the PvPers and if thats the case, this isn't the game for them which prunes itself of nuclear level toxicity. I rather deal with rowdy, abrasive folk than a bunch of snobs who cry every time they die and scream that PvE'rs outnumber PvPers so their fun should take precedence. I don't have to worry, because Ashes is already advertised as is and will keep most of the snobs I detest away anyway, hence why I'm here.
Cold 0ne FTB wrote: » Do you have any screenshots of Enveus members joining your guild and actively tried to sabotage? I find it hard to believe that happened. Also for the record spying and sabotaging other guilds are features for Ashes. Just like they are in Eve.
D3ATHSPARK wrote: » Karatos wrote: » You're grown man, the GM is a grown man. Nothing stops you from talking to him about your issues, handle your business. Am I going to punish your guild for you being weird and knowing I'm in Enveus on an old handle? Nope. I still will never care about what your issue is it doesn't involve me, but you have your own reputation to contend with, good luck. PKing is just old school full loot before they removed full loot, it's the original playstyle for PvP. Zerg guilds are players and zerging is a valid playstyle and tactic.. again toxic being the subjective part. Most zergs I've seen usually are fodder with the exception of the core guild. I did think about it, but in my experience, it's usually the non-PvPrs who seem to hold an entitlement mentality that they're more important than the PvPers and if thats the case, this isn't the game for them which prunes itself of nuclear level toxicity. I rather deal with rowdy, abrasive folk than a bunch of snobs who cry every time they die and scream that PvE'rs outnumber PvPers so their fun should take precedence. I don't have to worry, because Ashes is already advertised as is and will keep most of the snobs I detest away anyway, hence why I'm here. Yeah, and I gave DA the chance to resolve it. He is just as bad as those who started everything. He actually enables them. If anyone stays in that guild under a leader like that... they are just as bad imo. My reputation will do just fine. Those who are around me are so for a reason. I promote a positive community like feeling in my guild over the toxicity your guild peddles. Some people might be able to handle how direct I am but I don't put up with BS.
Karatos wrote: » If you do not have empirical evidence to back up these claims, then its just you stirring the pot in a thread; which can be deduced to some narcissism and bruised ego. I had no idea who you were until yesterday when it was explained to me that you incredibly reactionary and sensitive, as it came with empirical evidence. Again, AoC filters itself out which is by design as Steven has put it many times. Its absolutely pointless for you to finger point, because you've never been in Enveus and have no idea how the guild environment is. There seems to be a disconnect when it comes to self awareness, you're the bull in the pen crapping on everything you do not like; but perhaps that's not a fair analogy because I've seen many bull possess more awareness. So more like a pigeon..
D3ATHSPARK wrote: » Karatos wrote: » If you do not have empirical evidence to back up these claims, then its just you stirring the pot in a thread; which can be deduced to some narcissism and bruised ego. I had no idea who you were until yesterday when it was explained to me that you incredibly reactionary and sensitive, as it came with empirical evidence. Again, AoC filters itself out which is by design as Steven has put it many times. Its absolutely pointless for you to finger point, because you've never been in Enveus and have no idea how the guild environment is. There seems to be a disconnect when it comes to self awareness, you're the bull in the pen crapping on everything you do not like; but perhaps that's not a fair analogy because I've seen many bull possess more awareness. So more like a pigeon.. Having a "bruised ego" would mean you have to have an implication of self, of which i don't. Your opinion irrelevant. I don't care who knows me and who doesn't. That's the kind of mentality that fits Enveus. I very much know exactly how Enveus is because I've seen at least two dozen members be toxic AF. Communities grow with the same kind of personalities... incase you didn't know. I also find it amusing acting like I'm "crapping on everything I don't like" when it's ONLY Enveus. Imagine that. You reap what you sow kiddo. I'm just one of the few that's not afraid to say something.
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Karatos wrote: » I mean you're mad about things I do not do, then you proceed to call people toxic who have nothing to do with whatever nonsense you're spouting. Then you proceed to continue to make baseless assertions and claims. If the shoe fits, wear it I suppose. Unfortunately with narcissism comes a lack of self-awareness, so the pigeon analogy fits. Communities most certainly do not grow with the same type of personalities, especially when communities like Enveus are structured for the globe. You're a strange one, making baseless claims that have no evidence, no data. I'm not sure if you realize being fallacious, dogmatic, and using conjecture to get your emotions across as the best approach, but keep trying; you'll get it one day!
