I feel no soul from this game

This game seems to be just about ideas and gameplay, I don't see any single piece of lore and soul from anything I saw or read yet.
Even the website don't describe anything at all, so it's very hard for me to feel connected. I just see a world with... things on it, without any context, any story..

I don't know if it's supposed to be a sandbox, but in any case, we need a setting.

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RocketFarmer

Three reasons. Alpha. Alpha. Uh, and Alpha. It is not a content test. I’m sure you don’t like that answer, but it is what it is.

How much of the soul of a game comes via the players and community? I happen to think quite a bit. Each node, each server, each community will have varying degrees of soul. And what the players do quite literally changes the world around them.

There are nuggets of info hidden in the dialog of quest givers that reveal what looks to be a deep level of story. This game doesn’t carry the Star Wars style introduction to tell you what is going on. You have to discover that on your own through your exploration and actions.

George_Black

inusaa wrote: »

Why is there lore on a wiki, while the previous website and this one have nothing ?

New customers shouldn't have to dig the web.

You are set to prove that it's the studios fault. Nobody is buying it.
You are not a customer. The game has not been released yet.

Atama

George Black wrote: »

inusaa wrote: »

Why is there lore on a wiki, while the previous website and this one have nothing ?

New customers shouldn't have to dig the web.

You are set to prove that it's the studios fault. Nobody is buying it.
You are not a customer. The game has not been released yet.

This is truth. For everyone that has given money to the studio thus far (myself included), we are backing a project in development. We are not customers and nothing is currently owed to us.

Even if you spend money on something that should have a return (for example, a package that grants access to a testing phase) that isn't a guarantee. If for some reason they cancel the beta tests and instead have some company do QA up until release, well that's possible I suppose. (It would be weird, but it could happen.)

Once the game is released, then there is a product, anyone who has provided money has something owed to them, and we're now customers. Oh, and (heaven forbid) if the studio goes belly-up for some reason and the project is canceled before release? We're out of luck there. (So let's keep faith that won't happen.)

Ravudha

inusaa wrote: »

Why is there lore on a wiki, while the previous website and this one have nothing ?

New customers shouldn't have to dig the web.

I get what you mean. It would be nice if the website had some basic info on the setting as a reference point for new people.

Aerlana

Most of time (all time?) site got some section for showing races and classes. the site doesn't have it yet.

And i think people look more often to those before downloading a game than the lore section... Because part of players don't care lore in begining.

What i say is not "no need of lore section" on the site, but more "the site lack of many thing for now" mainly because "the game is far from existing yet" this will be a thing to treat with during/after alpha 2.

Patience

Inusaa

@Aerlana Thanks for not being passive agressive in your answer like a lot are

bloodandthunder

Merek wrote: »

I don't think this game will be anywhere near as deep compared to games such as FFXIV or WoW, they've got quite an insane amount of lore and world building behind them. When it comes to Ashes though, all of the 'lore' will be used to give loose reasoning as to why certain races, mobs and mechanics exist. That's about it. The game is a sandbox at heart, can't change that. And really, nobody should play an MMO for the story, we've got singleplayer games for that.

The backstory is important to for the setting and theme. It's up to the players to create the lore surrounding the present and future of the game

MineTree

Ravudha wrote: »

inusaa wrote: »

Why is there lore on a wiki, while the previous website and this one have nothing ?

New customers shouldn't have to dig the web.

I get what you mean. It would be nice if the website had some basic info on the setting as a reference point for new people.

The website is not finished yet. They are still working on it and I guess they just don´t want to add stuff that may or may not change.

MineTree

Merek wrote: »

I don't think this game will be anywhere near as deep compared to games such as FFXIV or WoW, they've got quite an insane amount of lore and world building behind them. When it comes to Ashes though, all of the 'lore' will be used to give loose reasoning as to why certain races, mobs and mechanics exist. That's about it. The game is a sandbox at heart, can't change that. And really, nobody should play an MMO for the story, we've got singleplayer games for that.

I don´t think it´s gonna be like that. The thing with games like WoW is that it´s been out for years now and had the time to build that lore. But with how Steven talked about the game I think he is pretty invested in the lore so I guess we don´t have to worry on that front. Let´s wait for the release and see how it goes.

Dreoh

MineTree wrote: »

Merek wrote: »

I don't think this game will be anywhere near as deep compared to games such as FFXIV or WoW, they've got quite an insane amount of lore and world building behind them. When it comes to Ashes though, all of the 'lore' will be used to give loose reasoning as to why certain races, mobs and mechanics exist. That's about it. The game is a sandbox at heart, can't change that. And really, nobody should play an MMO for the story, we've got singleplayer games for that.

I don´t think it´s gonna be like that. The thing with games like WoW is that it´s been out for years now and had the time to build that lore. But with how Steven talked about the game I think he is pretty invested in the lore so I guess we don´t have to worry on that front. Let´s wait for the release and see how it goes.

Also, the lore is based on his pathfinder campaign which he had been building for a long time.

Dygz

Aerlana wrote: »

What i say is not "no need of lore section" on the site, but more "the site lack of many thing for now" mainly because "the game is far from existing yet" this will be a thing to treat with during/after alpha 2.

Partially true, but mostly that the the devs are currently more focused on game development thane they are on marketing and webpage development. There are plans for making the website much more robust and we can expect Lore to be on the website by Launch.
The devs would just much rather focus on creating the game right now than on creating the perfect website to grow the fanbase.

CROW3

MineTree wrote: »

The thing with games like WoW is that it´s been out for years now and had the time to build that lore.

Yeah… almost 30 years. I don’t think folks realize how long the Warcraft IP has been around.

Gizban

Atama wrote: »

inusaa wrote: »

I don't know if it's supposed to be a sandbox

It's supposed to be an Alpha.

They are testing the systems out. It's almost completely devoid of content at this point.

It's like griping that a cake that was just pulled hot out of the oven has no frosting on it.

But I want my cake naow!

BaSkA_9x2

I believe much of the lore is not available yet, be that in quests, dungeons, etc, so it's a bit early to decide the game has no soul.

I don't think FFXIV has any soul, but I think WoW used to, so that's also very subjective.

I hope that the game will be able to tell a good story for people who care about it with quests, but will also be able to tell a story constantly with dungeons, bosses, locations, etc.

McMackMuck

Vhaeyne wrote: »

That is a good screenshot. I think I have a screenshot somewhere of me standing next to that very gnome from a few weeks back.

Wait, so it's a Gnome in the picture? suddenly the world looks a lot smaller. :'(
<joke>

Decidendi

inusaa wrote: »

This game seems to be just about ideas and gameplay, I don't see any single piece of lore and soul from anything I saw or read yet.
Even the website don't describe anything at all, so it's very hard for me to feel connected. I just see a world with... things on it, without any context, any story..

I don't know if it's supposed to be a sandbox, but in any case, we need a setting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not supposed to have 'soul' at this stage in the development. It's a bare bones testing of systems that are implemented at this early stage. And to be honest, even now, if you read the quests fully from the very beginning, you'll discover that a story exists and you can follow it.

Dygz

I think inusaa is not in the Alpha, so can't read the quests.
New to the fanbase so, still has to find and catch up on all the available info.

Decidendi

Dygz wrote: »

I think inusaa is not in the Alpha, so can't read the quests.
New to the fanbase so, still has to find and catch up on all the available info.

True. But I'd recommend watching some streams and streamers who go in depth regarding the topic

Dygz

Yep. Tons of streams and videos to find and learn from.

Inusaa

I think we should be allowed to get a glimpse of the lore before purchasing or entering the game, just like we decide what movie to watch in cinema based on the introduction.

(I purchased the game in kickstarter, without any lore available, it's not hypocrisy, I just changed over the years)

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