Fleeing with Mounts while in combat

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but being able to insta-cast your mount and ride away from danger seems kinda lame.

A few ideals to fix this:
-some type of mounting animation coupled with a 2-3 second timer to fully mount
-have you mount spawn off screen and run to you thus adding a small time delay
-make your mount summon take 2-3 seconds and be interruptible
-make the mount attackable and have it flee from aggro

Would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

Thanks in advance!

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George_Black

I agree.

Talents

That's why mounts are planned to be killable, we've already known this for literal years. If they mount up then kill their mount.

George_Black

Killing a green players mount, pet or summon would result in pk. Keep that in mind.

Dygz

Get a faster mount.

Magic Man

1yardshort wrote: »

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but being able to insta-cast your mount and ride away from danger seems kinda lame.

A few ideals to fix this:
-some type of mounting animation coupled with a 2-3 second timer to fully mount
-have you mount spawn off screen and run to you thus adding a small time delay
-make your mount summon take 2-3 seconds and be interruptible
-make the mount attackable and have it flee from aggro

Would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

Thanks in advance!

Fully agreed. Hopefully we won't have that ''attack till your health gets too low - summon mount - ride away till you get out of tab targeting range - heal - come back - repeat''. That is really lame.

Dolyem

Just make it a cast time longer than any hard CC in the game and interrupted by any damage? Thats how I would go about it

ptitoine

Talents wrote: »

then kill their mount.

Sad no my baby. I hope we dont lose them in our inventory tough it would be sad. Or maybe mount are really easy to capture who knows

akabear

No, to lose them
No, to instant summons and ride if in pvp or flagged
Yes to they get damaged, become impaired to un-ridable until repaired/fixed
A degree of fixing in the field possible but if too damaged a walk back to town and fully fix there.

CROW3

Agreed. No insta-cast on mounts.

1yardshort

akabear wrote: »

No, to lose them
No, to instant summons and ride if in pvp or flagged
Yes to they get damaged, become impaired to un-ridable until repaired/fixed
A degree of fixing in the field possible but if too damaged a walk back to town and fully fix there.

I like the idea that if your mount gets injured it lowers its run speed. If someone your fighting mounts up to escape, target their mount and then run them down.

McShave

I was watching a video of Alpha 1 PvP, and this dude was mounting up during combat just to position himself better to hit abilities. Looked like no cast time on it, which is weird. Hopefully it takes a few seconds to summon the mount.

ptitoine wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

then kill their mount.

Sad no my baby. I hope we dont lose them in our inventory tough it would be sad. Or maybe mount are really easy to capture who knows

Mounts being "killed" is not permanent death, but will put them on a cooldown before they can be used again. Steven mentioned this a while ago on a dev stream, but as with all things Steven says, this may be changed in the future.

Nerror

My guess is the insta-mounting in Alpha 1 was just that, Alpha 1.

For release I'd want a long cast time to summon, that can be interrupted, if in combat. But I would also like to be able to have the mount be pre-summoned. Like I am sure we will be able to with mules. In that case it should just be a matter of getting to the mount and jump on before it's killed.

McShave

Nerror wrote: »

But I would also like to be able to have the mount be pre-summoned. Like I am sure we will be able to with mules. In that case it should just be a matter of getting to the mount and jump on before it's killed.

Steven did talk about having your mount exist in the world when not riding on it, so this definitely can be a thing.

Ehrgeiz

No mounting while combat except it is already out so you risk it getting killed by other players, npcs or AOE.
The mount and pet system in Archeage was nice.

bloodprophet

Mounted combat is supposed to be a thing:

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Mounts

Mounts have different core abilities, utility skills and stats.[15][16]

Based on skill choice, mounts can be used as initiation vehicles, escape vehicles, utility vehicles, and traversal vehicles.[17]

Mounts have obviously many different applications and that's also going to speak to its identity when it has a skill selection choice too. Like do you- are you more aggressive in initiation with your mount? Okay well you probably want the ones that are going to be able to charge through and do some type of CC effect on players in front of you. Are you more about kind of using them out to dodge and avoid you know different types of things? Well then you probably want some type of invulnerability skills or some type of protective skills that you can activate at certain times. Are you going to be more traversal and focus on kind of speed you use your mount just kind of go around the world and you don't really care about the combat aspect? Well then you probably want some skill sets on your mount that reflect that.[17] – Steven Sharif

Mounts will provide resistances, defensive abilities, skills, charge abilities, and attacks.[18]

Mounts will have varied speeds.[19]

With some exceptions, mounts are able to be summoned during combat in the open-world.[17]

There's definitely a difficulty from a balance perspective obviously on the design side when you're having to incorporate speeds that are so radically different from the normal player movement speeds; and mounts do have a obviously a significantly faster component there. But that's why you build into the to the skill sets that players have obviously those types of cc's which can either, as we spoke about previously, knock the player off of their mount, kill them with some massive damage, or stun the player. Those are components that are taken into account when balancing out these skill selections.[17] – Steven Sharif

A player can dismount and have their mount follow them.[15][20]

Mounted combat

Certain mounts will have combat abilities.[21][12]

Players can't use their class skills while mounted.[21]
Mounts can be targeted separately from the player while mounted.[20]
Mounts can be killed by players, but can be resurrected after a certain cooldown period.[20][22]
Potions can be used to reduce the cooldown.[20]

McMackMuck

George Black wrote: »

Killing a green players mount, pet or summon would result in pk. Keep that in mind.

If I were trying to stop them running away then I'm struggling to think of a scenario where I only wanted to give them a harsh telling off!

Ramirez

1yardshort wrote: »

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but being able to insta-cast your mount and ride away from danger seems kinda lame.

A few ideals to fix this:
-some type of mounting animation coupled with a 2-3 second timer to fully mount
-have you mount spawn off screen and run to you thus adding a small time delay
-make your mount summon take 2-3 seconds and be interruptible
-make the mount attackable and have it flee from aggro

Would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

Thanks in advance!

Do like albion they have easily the best system for that

akabear

Also prefer mounts to not be capable of being summonsed whilst indoors. Perhaps exception being castle sieges and larger dungeons.

Psomo

I liked the lotro system. Cast time with a decent animation to mount. And if u get enough damage you dismount. Also you getting slowed a bit too.

Magic Man

Psomopsoli wrote: »

I liked the lotro system. Cast time with a decent animation to mount. And if u get enough damage you dismount. Also you getting slowed a bit too.

Yep getting dismounted + a little bit of slow once dismounted is a good way to balance it

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