Dedicated RP servers

Hello everyone,

As known so far we will get multiple servers with different prime time and locations. This is to optimize connectivity and ensure that many of the core system activities are happening in your prime time.

However next to this data there is a feature that i would love to have a few of the servers designated as. As you know, people have mixed feelings about RP in an mmo. Some love it, some hate it. And while rp should persist on every server, I think that it would be nice, if some servers get a RP server tag before you create a character. This will ensure that more like minded players will choose for those That server, and that people who do not like RP, will choose a different one. In the end i think this will improve the experiance for most people.

What do you think about this?

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Kesthely

Noaani wrote: »

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I'm done arguing with you on this topic. You either are to closed minded, unable to or unwilling to understand.

Ultimately it doesn't matter. your questions have allowed me to explain in more detail of the pro's of the tag. I don't have to convince you. The topic has been noted by community managers, and it might end up being put on the radar of the developers. Or not. This is not for us to decide.

I bid you a good day

Noaani

Kesthely wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

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I'm done arguing with you on this topic. You either are to closed minded, unable to or unwilling to understand.

Not at all.

I have some experience with RP servers in games, I have experience with games that have no RP servers yet still have RP, and I am trying to square your thoughts on it with my previous observations.

However, in order to even start to do that, your thoughts need to be squared internally.

A discussion on a topic when you state you want the servers to be the same, but then go on about the differences in the servers is really hard for anyone to participate in.

Until you actually make a decision on which you want, and state categorically that you do not want the opposite, I am honestly unsure how you can even sort your own thoughts out. So ,either you want the servers to be the same and so do not want name restrictions or the ability to report players for not RP'ing - or you do want name restrictions and the ability to report people for not RP'ing, and so want specific differences in the RP servers. These two things are mutually exclusive - yet every time you say you want the servers to be the same, you then go on about how you want them different.

I'm still not sure which it is that you want.

I'm not sure how you can point at me for being closed minded when all I am doing here is trying to understand what it is you are asking for. Sure, I have pointed out some logical fallacies in what you have said, but only in an attempt to understand if you want RP servers in name only, or if you want any actual effect on those servers.

Kalv1441

@Kesthely We RP’ers have an unofficial Ashes RP Discord. Feel free to join us!

Below is a link to the Forum discussion and below that a link to the discord.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/49229/ashes-of-creation-roleplay-community-all-are-welcome#latest

https://discord.gg/4xhevZqGgj

Kalv1441

As someone previously stated, Intrepid has stated there won’t be dedicated RP servers, as of now and it could change.

There are pros and cons with this kind of decision but there is a dedicated discord for those seeking RP in Ashes already in place and the bottom line is that whether there is a tag or not, the server that RP’ers choose will have Non-RP players on them. We can’t really force other players how to play the game and we need to be able to distinguish that.

Will it be funny to me that someone is named “HaUrDedIkilledu”? Or “N00bslayer?” Yeah lol
Will I let it ruin my experience? No way. It’s the difference between Out of Character knowledge and In Character knowledge in games like D&D.

Other plays enjoying the game outside of the rules ive set on myself and the community I play the game with should not effect how I enjoy the game.

Noaani

Kalv1441 wrote: »

As someone previously stated, Intrepid has stated there won’t be dedicated RP servers, as of now and it could change.

There are pros and cons with this kind of decision but there is a dedicated discord for those seeking RP in Ashes already in place and the bottom line is that whether there is a tag or not, the server that RP’ers choose will have Non-RP players on them. We can’t really force other players how to play the game and we need to be able to distinguish that.

Will it be funny to me that someone is named “HaUrDedIkilledu”? Or “N00bslayer?” Yeah lol
Will I let it ruin my experience? No way. It’s the difference between Out of Character knowledge and In Character knowledge in games like D&D.

Other plays enjoying the game outside of the rules ive set on myself and the community I play the game with should not effect how I enjoy the game.

This, imo, is the best attitude for someone wanting to RP in an MMO to have.

This is the kind of attitude that others respect, which more often than not results in others leaving people with this kind of attitude to do their thing.

Dygz

Kesthely wrote: »

Well NW launched with to few servers all of the starting servers are to full. doesn't have anything to do with rp or not. Makes you wonder how AoC will launch. I get the idea that AoC will utilize the old GM system for servers, and that might make upscaling a bit difficult

I didn't say that the RP servers being full had anything to do with them being RP servers.
RP servers being full means that gamers who want to jump on them just to cause grief can't easily do so right now. Lots of people who want to join NW RP servers to RP can't right now.
Griefing not happening on NW RP servers is a meaningless example.

If it's just an RP Tag. GMs will not be enforcing RP on RP-tagged servers.
That's my entire point. Ashes does not have designated servers - by design.
The devs/GMs will not be enforcing RP on RP tagged servers.
And gamers who want to grief RPers by interrupting their stories will know that RP rules won't be enforced.

Kalv1441

Noaani wrote: »

Kalv1441 wrote: »

As someone previously stated, Intrepid has stated there won’t be dedicated RP servers, as of now and it could change.

There are pros and cons with this kind of decision but there is a dedicated discord for those seeking RP in Ashes already in place and the bottom line is that whether there is a tag or not, the server that RP’ers choose will have Non-RP players on them. We can’t really force other players how to play the game and we need to be able to distinguish that.

Will it be funny to me that someone is named “HaUrDedIkilledu”? Or “N00bslayer?” Yeah lol
Will I let it ruin my experience? No way. It’s the difference between Out of Character knowledge and In Character knowledge in games like D&D.

Other plays enjoying the game outside of the rules ive set on myself and the community I play the game with should not effect how I enjoy the game.

This, imo, is the best attitude for someone wanting to RP in an MMO to have.

This is the kind of attitude that others respect, which more often than not results in others leaving people with this kind of attitude to do their thing.

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Kesthely

Noaani wrote: »

This, imo, is the best attitude for someone wanting to RP in an MMO to have.

This is the kind of attitude that others respect, which more often than not results in others leaving people with this kind of attitude to do their thing.

I understand you guys point of view. For me personally i think tis a good idea. I pitched the idea, its up to developers to use it or not.

I come across enough "dicks" (pun intended) irl to try to lessen them in my virtual one.

Kalv1441

Kesthely wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

This, imo, is the best attitude for someone wanting to RP in an MMO to have.

This is the kind of attitude that others respect, which more often than not results in others leaving people with this kind of attitude to do their thing.

I understand you guys point of view. For me personally i think tis a good idea. I pitched the idea, its up to developers to use it or not.

I come across enough "dicks" (pun intended) irl to try to lessen them in my virtual one.

No matter the forum there will be jerks. At least in the virtual world like Ashes we can throw fireballs and giant maces at their faces haha

ptitoine

I know they said they didnt really want to make RP server. But I think if they keep their idea of PvP as it is right now (Able to kill green player and PvP penalty and Malus on death from mob) I think they will reduce their player base by ALOT which can result in death of the game.

I know lots of people who play this kind of game casually and dont really like beeing ganked and all. So I think allocating a fews servers to them would be beneficial to the game.

They still gonna play and buy things while unbothering more Elite type of player

Kalv1441

ptitoine wrote: »

I know they said they didnt really want to make RP server. But I think if they keep their idea of PvP as it is right now (Able to kill green player and PvP penalty and Malus on death from mob) I think they will reduce their player base by ALOT which can result in death of the game.

I know lots of people who play this kind of game casually and dont really like beeing ganked and all. So I think allocating a fews servers to them would be beneficial to the game.

They still gonna play and buy things while unbothering more Elite type of player

I don’t think this will be the case. How is an Open world pvp game that penalises consistent ganking/griefing going to kill the game for those who prefer not to pvp? It helps those individuals specifically

ptitoine

Kalv1441 wrote: »

I don’t think this will be the case. How is an Open world pvp game that penalises consistent ganking/griefing going to kill the game for those who prefer not to pvp? It helps those individuals specifically

Im not saying it penalize these player. Im saying it limit to this only kind of player base.
Because the player who dont like that will most likely not buy the game or stop playing after a while.
And if these player leave well the revenue generated and population playing will be reduced cause it only attrack 1 type of player base.

Player who like to gank and kill at view are a minority of player and or they get tired after a while.

Azherae

Kalv1441 wrote: »

ptitoine wrote: »

I know they said they didnt really want to make RP server. But I think if they keep their idea of PvP as it is right now (Able to kill green player and PvP penalty and Malus on death from mob) I think they will reduce their player base by ALOT which can result in death of the game.

I know lots of people who play this kind of game casually and dont really like beeing ganked and all. So I think allocating a fews servers to them would be beneficial to the game.

They still gonna play and buy things while unbothering more Elite type of player

I don’t think this will be the case. How is an Open world pvp game that penalises consistent ganking/griefing going to kill the game for those who prefer not to pvp? It helps those individuals specifically

People keep saying things like this, but I never understand it.

So what if you can fight back?

Don't you have to be able to win for that to matter? Telling sheep 'this game is good because you can fight back against annoying wolves" strikes me as an incredibly weird response, but I can't usually find a different interpretation for these answers.

Please provide one if you can.

Kalv1441

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People keep saying things like this, but I never understand it.

So what if you can fight back?

Don't you have to be able to win for that to matter? Telling sheep 'this game is good because you can fight back against annoying wolves" strikes me as an incredibly weird response, but I can't usually find a different interpretation for these answers.

Please provide one if you can.[/quote]

I equally find it an equally weird response when people want to change the fundamental building blocks of games they paid for. In this case Ashes has been very clear on the world they want players to interact in and that means open pvp. Whether you like it or not that’s the scope they want to have.

Now, it could very well change and they can introduce a pvp toggle system or dedicated servers for PvE, but until then we have to presume open pvp will be the core of the open world.

The same systems that allow the wolves to attack o the “sheeps” as you call it, also equally allowed the sheep to group up and attack the wolves also. If a player is PvE focused, which is perfectly fine they have every right to play the game they prefer, but they get into Ashes a level of understanding has to come regarding pvp. They will encounter it.

However, due to the guild-centric social sphere the game is going for it would be in people’s best interest to surround themselves with other players to help them when the pvp encounter happens.

If the player is solo or truly detests the idea of pvp, they will lose these fights but being that they were not the aggressor and didn’t fight back, the attacking player will incur penalties for a block of time. These penalties can then allow the “sheep” to have a fighting chance and get there stuff back even to the point that the attacking player can loose everything they have equipped.

There are multiple solutions and layers to open world pvp to allow the pve minded folks a fighting chance. If all those things in place will still harbour a player to want to the gaming company to change the game to suite their play style then maybe the game isn’t for them.

We as consumers of video games need to understand what we are getting ourselves into before we shell out money. I’m not a fan of complaining to gaming companies so they can cater to the minority. World of Warcraft had very unique class variety when it launched and because so many people complained “why does X class have X thing and I don’t!” The classes have become homogenised in the worse way in today’s day and age. Your class won’t have the answer to every situation, you’re play style might need to adjust depending on certain situations.

Again, to reiterate, the game could very well change between now and then, but if someone buys an open world pvp game and complains about it? Then I see that as a weird way to spend your money. That would be like me playing Minecraft and complain about the crafting.

This became pretty ranty and that wasn’t the intention but here we are. There are solutions intended for the game for a variety of situations to help the most amount of people no matter your play style. We just have to figure out what works for us within those systems to get the most enjoyment possible and understand there will be loss of items and we will die in game.

Kesthely

Kalv1441 wrote: »

ptitoine wrote: »

I know they said they didnt really want to make RP server. But I think if they keep their idea of PvP as it is right now (Able to kill green player and PvP penalty and Malus on death from mob) I think they will reduce their player base by ALOT which can result in death of the game.

I know lots of people who play this kind of game casually and dont really like beeing ganked and all. So I think allocating a fews servers to them would be beneficial to the game.

They still gonna play and buy things while unbothering more Elite type of player

I don’t think this will be the case. How is an Open world pvp game that penalises consistent ganking/griefing going to kill the game for those who prefer not to pvp? It helps those individuals specifically

I think you misunderstand an RP tag will have nothing to do with the amount of pvp. The game is PvP based, It might be beneficial to the amount of ganking, It might also be detrimental.

Eg a guild rp's a clan of orcs bent of world domination, and the eradication of all other races. So in their rguild philosophy each member is obligated to kill all other races. This can lead to excessive ganking. But it would be done in an RP way.

So an RP tag is not synonomous to more pve or less ganking. Although Hopefully the RP bit does reduce the mindless ganking without a reason (in the above example there was an RP reason)

Kesthely

Azherae wrote: »

Kalv1441 wrote: »

ptitoine wrote: »

I know they said they didnt really want to make RP server. But I think if they keep their idea of PvP as it is right now (Able to kill green player and PvP penalty and Malus on death from mob) I think they will reduce their player base by ALOT which can result in death of the game.

I know lots of people who play this kind of game casually and dont really like beeing ganked and all. So I think allocating a fews servers to them would be beneficial to the game.

They still gonna play and buy things while unbothering more Elite type of player

I don’t think this will be the case. How is an Open world pvp game that penalises consistent ganking/griefing going to kill the game for those who prefer not to pvp? It helps those individuals specifically

People keep saying things like this, but I never understand it.

So what if you can fight back?

Don't you have to be able to win for that to matter? Telling sheep 'this game is good because you can fight back against annoying wolves" strikes me as an incredibly weird response, but I can't usually find a different interpretation for these answers.

Please provide one if you can.

Fighting back can be on multiple fronts. Best example Eve online. There are numerous ways you can fight back there, even if your bullied by one of the major alliances. Its a game thats been running for 18 years now with always a 25k to 50k concurrent players.

The question is not, will there be enough concurrent players, but will the concurrent players yield enough revenu to keep Intrepids ambitions going.

Ravel

I suppose all servers will be dedicated RP servers with only a minority of role-players.

Nerror

In my experience, an RP tag does three things for a server:

It will likely attract more roleplayers compared to unofficial RP servers because, well, it's tagged so more other roleplayers will go there right? Unless those unofficial RP server people are very good at advertising for said unofficial RP servers, in which case you might as well just have an official tag.
It will also attract a lot of people who are not roleplayers by any real definition, but they think an RP server will have a more mature population with less stupid names. It's a super common perception.
And it will attract some people who think of roleplayers as easy prey. This could be PvP and server domination wise and/or in terms of getting their rocks off by ruining other people's gameplay (aka griefers).

I think all three groups are correct in their assessments honestly. Nobody wants the griefers obviously, but if the goal isn't to reduce them as much as it is to just increase the population of roleplayers on the server, I think an official RP tag is a good idea. The biggest problem in the beginning might actually be the second group who all go there and fill up the server, preventing the actual roleplayers from joining.

If the goal is to reduce the people that deliberately disrupt roleplaying and lessen other people's enjoyment of that part of the game, because they find satisfaction from that, I don't really have a good solution. The most effective solution I can think of is probably increasing the sub fee for RP servers to $30. No different rules or any sort of roleplaying enforcement by GMs. Again, it's not a good solution overall, because it's really unfair to the roleplayers, but I think it might reduce the amount of griefers significantly, if that is the primary goal.

Kesthely

Nerror wrote: »

In my experience, an RP tag does three things for a server:
It will likely attract more roleplayers compared to unofficial RP servers because, well, it's tagged so more other roleplayers will go there right? Unless those unofficial RP server people are very good at advertising for said unofficial RP servers, in which case you might as well just have an official tag.

It will also attract a lot of people who are not roleplayers by any real definition, but they think an RP server will have a more mature population with less stupid names. It's a super common perception.

And it will attract some people who think of roleplayers as easy prey. This could be PvP and server domination wise and/or in terms of getting their rocks off by ruining other people's gameplay (aka griefers).

I think all three groups are correct in their assessments honestly. Nobody wants the griefers obviously, but if the goal isn't to reduce them as much as it is to just increase the population of roleplayers on the server, I think an official RP tag is a good idea. The biggest problem in the beginning might actually be the second group who all go there and fill up the server, preventing the actual roleplayers from joining.

If the goal is to reduce the people that deliberately disrupt roleplaying and lessen other people's enjoyment of that part of the game, because they find satisfaction from that, I don't really have a good solution. The most effective solution I can think of is probably increasing the sub fee for RP servers to $30. No different rules or any sort of roleplaying enforcement by GMs. Again, it's not a good solution overall, because it's really unfair to the roleplayers, but I think it might reduce the amount of griefers significantly, if that is the primary goal.

I think a monthly increas of the subscription is a little bit absurd. Because we dont'even know if griefing will be a problem Bu if it does become a problemi think that a low entry fee of that server might solve the problem.

Noaani

Kesthely wrote: »

I think a monthly increas of the subscription is a little bit absurd. Because we dont'even know if griefing will be a problem Bu if it does become a problemi think that a low entry fee of that server might solve the problem.

A low entry won't solve anything.

Griefing will be a thing. History bears this out. An increased fee for playing on this server will potentially solve the griefing issue - and if the server is going to require more effort from Intrepid (censuring player names, higher frequency of players reporting each other etc), then it is perfectly valid for them to ask for more to play on that server.

I mean, almost any company that has two products where one just outright costs them more than the other will charge more for the one that costs them more. Why should this be any different?

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