Sh*tpost about people wanting to solo in mmos

From another mmos forums:

"This is more venting than anything, but I'm trying to do as many group Dungeon's solo as I can on this most recent toon. I'm on Blackheart Haven, and I very nearly soloed it up until the last boss, which is basically impossible it seems. I don't like grouping up because I have a super unreliable internet connection, and I don't wanna waste other people's time by disconnecting mid-way through a dungeon. But here I am, sitting in dungeon queue, messaging in zone chat, and literally no one is joining up for this. I hate wasting the little amount of time I do have before my internet poops itself doing nothing except waiting to redo the dungeon I already almost finished were it not for the dumb final boss shenanigans. I refuse to skip story content regardless of where they're located before anyone tells me to. I'm sorry, but It should be possible to complete every dungeon by yourself if you want to.

On another dungeon related gripe, it drives me mad that you get kicked to the beginning of the dungeon if you're offline for a certain amount of time. With my internet connection the way it is, I have to hope and pray I don't get DC'd every time I do one of these because I'll get stuck redoing the whole thing due to no fault of my own. Why can't we just get saved to where we are unless we CHOOSE to leave the dungeon? You do it everywhere else for the most part, why not here?"

I could be wrong, but I dont think the guy is trolling.

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George_Black

-The sky is blue
-No the sky is grey
-No it isn't today
-But it can be
- ..... >. <

CROW3

More like:

ESO soloer: Can the sky be green?
George: The sky is blue! You can’t ask for the sky to be green
ESO Soloer: I just did.

George_Black

Captain obvious here

I like how yall missed the fact that the poster said more or less:
"I cant solo. Other people can. My ping is bad. I get DC and I have to start again. All dungeons should be soloable."

Everybody can say whatever they want. Freedom of speach. I am just saying that most ppl talk (demand) rubbish. And the reality is that, for example demanding soloable group content (omg the irony is plain visible in the words..), will not (cannot) happen.

Vhaeyne

I expect to see such threads on this forum about this game at some point.

People will be mad that there are group mobs in the open world that they can't solo.

"WOW HAS GROUP MOBS TOO AND I CAN SOLO THOSE!!!!!"

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heartbeat

Certain dungeons should be soloable, others should only be able to be done in groups, simple solution

Noaani

Heartbeat wrote: »

Certain dungeons should be soloable, others should only be able to be done in groups, simple solution

Solo content should be soloable. Group content should require a group.

There is no specific reason developers can't make solo dungeons, if they are making a game where that fits.

If someone wants to solo a group dungeon, they should be looking at content from a previous cycle. I have done this on occasion (and similar with older raid content).

waikikamukau

George Black wrote: »

Captain obvious here

I like how yall missed the fact that the poster said more or less:
"I cant solo. Other people can. My ping is bad. I get DC and I have to start again. All dungeons should be soloable."

Everybody can say whatever they want. Freedom of speach. I am just saying that most ppl talk (demand) rubbish. And the reality is that, for example demanding soloable group content (omg the irony is plain visible in the words..), will not (cannot) happen.

And you're right, except for the fact that developers can and have allowed group content to be solo'd by a player with an AI provided group specifically to do it without grouping with other players (FFXIV Trust System).

Sathrago

George Black wrote: »

Captain obvious here

I like how yall missed the fact that the poster said more or less:
"I cant solo. Other people can. My ping is bad. I get DC and I have to start again. All dungeons should be soloable."

Everybody can say whatever they want. Freedom of speach. I am just saying that most ppl talk (demand) rubbish. And the reality is that, for example demanding soloable group content (omg the irony is plain visible in the words..), will not (cannot) happen.

Fair enough, thats just a "Well, too bad" moment. I have had horrible internet and computers my entire life and there are some things I just could not do. I learned to live with it, eventually making enough money for better internet and a computer. They can do the same.

The last thing we want is the dev team designing the game with crap internet added into the equation.

Vhaeyne

Sathrago wrote: »

Fair enough, thats just a "Well, too bad" moment. I have had horrible internet and computers my entire life and there are some things I just could not do. I learned to live with it, eventually making enough money for better internet and a computer. They can do the same.

The last thing we want is the dev team designing the game with crap internet added into the equation.

I remember "lagging" onto Gunbound with my dial-up connection because it was about the only multiplayer game anyone was playing at the time that my GFX card could handle.

For some reason, I will never understand that "PC" could barely run Gunbound but could not get UO to start for the life of it.

daveywavey

Haha, I remember trying to play Guild Wars while on a dial-up connection that had a cut-off of 2-hours. It took so long for me to load into one dungeon that the group I was with had already completed it, even after waiting for me at the start. So, in the end, I just ran through an empty level, picking up the items they'd left behind.

Does that count as soloing it?!

Percimes

Are you saying a high level character shouldn't be able to solo any low level group content? For it to be so it would mean that either there are no levels; the power difference between levels is minimal; the content is restricted for the appropriate levels; the content is instanced and requires a group to zone in (many ways to go around that); or the content scale with the levels of the participants.

That could be interesting, but I don't think that's the kind of game you're looking for.

ClintHardwood

Many of the responses to this thread are quite short-sighted. I think there should be dungeons that can be solo'ed, or else you'll lose a large portion of the potential playerbase. The AoC devs would be stupid not to include solo content.

George_Black

ClintHardwood wrote: »

Many of the responses to this thread are quite short-sighted. I think there should be dungeons that can be solo'ed, or else you'll lose a large portion of the potential playerbase. The AoC devs would be stupid not to include solo content.

We are talking about people wanting to make GROUP content soloable, but thnx for your response

Vhaeyne

ClintHardwood wrote: »

Many of the responses to this thread are quite short-sighted. I think there should be dungeons that can be solo'ed, or else you'll lose a large portion of the potential playerbase. The AoC devs would be stupid not to include solo content.

Let me just say, @ClintHardwood is a 10/10 perfect name.

If the dungeon is designed with the intention that it needs a group to be completed in a certain level range, and it can be soloed before or during that level range. The devs have failed in their objective to create the group content they intended to create.

If a player enjoys taking advantage of the devs failings or the fact that they can now solo the dungeon because they have out leveled the dungeon. The content they enjoy was unintentional. This does not mean that they are wrong for enjoying it, but if they should not expect to be able to do it.

IMO, it should be normal for dungeons to lock you out after a certain level and gear score to preserve the challenge of dungeons, but many may disagree. Regarding Ashes being open world I would disagree too, but for a game like ESO, FFXIV or WOW my opinion would stand.

I am Alone in MMORPG

I like to play solo
I will be the guy to gank solo the guys that solo stuff in openworld

PS: It will always be guys that overthink stuff and do solo, because developers don't do that up front, or does not overthink the abilitys and strategys cobined can be posible to solo stuff, i bee playing for 10+ years, only thing to resolve is to see when the players upload on youtube, and dev's just nerf the shit out off ability/strategy, it will always be like that

Good Luck

SirChancelot

Dolyem wrote: »

A Massively Multiplayer Online game should never cater to the individual. Always to the group and community. This guy needs to go back to god of war and other single player games if he wants himself to be the focus of the games design.

A counter to this is I want to play an RPG. I want to dive into an immersive world. Other people make it feel more alive than a bunch of NPCs. I don't want to be social, I just want the depth.

George_Black

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

A Massively Multiplayer Online game should never cater to the individual. Always to the group and community. This guy needs to go back to god of war and other single player games if he wants himself to be the focus of the games design.

A counter to this is I want to play an RPG. I want to dive into an immersive world. Other people make it feel more alive than a bunch of NPCs. I don't want to be social, I just want the depth.

A counter to this:
Play single player games. Much more immersive.

Sathrago

George Black wrote: »

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

A Massively Multiplayer Online game should never cater to the individual. Always to the group and community. This guy needs to go back to god of war and other single player games if he wants himself to be the focus of the games design.

A counter to this is I want to play an RPG. I want to dive into an immersive world. Other people make it feel more alive than a bunch of NPCs. I don't want to be social, I just want the depth.

A counter to this:
Play single player games. Much more immersive.

Come now we all know that having a community of live players is much more immersive especially with all the data mining, botting, spoiling, toxicity.... I mean I can go on for hours listing all the wonderfully immersive aspects of having more players in your game.

Yuyukoyay

I'm not against certain classes having the power to solo easy low level crap. Since it should happen for certain classes to be balanced in pvp or harder content. However, only with clever use of the abilities or sustain that is above average for certain classes.

I am against every class in the game being able to solo everything though. Hybrid classes are naturally better at that stuff. Overleveling stuff is different. That might happen, but I doubt you will really get a whole lot for doing that kind of stuff.

Taleof2Cities

Sathrago wrote: »

Come now we all know that having a community of live players is much more immersive especially with all the data mining, botting, spoiling, toxicity.... I mean I can go on for hours listing all the wonderfully immersive aspects of having more players in your game.

I know you’re being facetious, @Sathrago, (here’s a like for your post) … but the underlying issue is still important:

There’s going to be a lot of solo players that buy Ashes without considering that the better challenges (and better rewards) are going to be in group content and not solo content.

Years from now, when Ashes releases, we’re going to get posts exactly like the ones from @ClintHardwood and @SirChancelot11. Which then we can just link this thread of yore … and reinforce the fact that this game is an MMORPG.

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