Sh*tpost about people wanting to solo in mmos

From another mmos forums:

"This is more venting than anything, but I'm trying to do as many group Dungeon's solo as I can on this most recent toon. I'm on Blackheart Haven, and I very nearly soloed it up until the last boss, which is basically impossible it seems. I don't like grouping up because I have a super unreliable internet connection, and I don't wanna waste other people's time by disconnecting mid-way through a dungeon. But here I am, sitting in dungeon queue, messaging in zone chat, and literally no one is joining up for this. I hate wasting the little amount of time I do have before my internet poops itself doing nothing except waiting to redo the dungeon I already almost finished were it not for the dumb final boss shenanigans. I refuse to skip story content regardless of where they're located before anyone tells me to. I'm sorry, but It should be possible to complete every dungeon by yourself if you want to.

On another dungeon related gripe, it drives me mad that you get kicked to the beginning of the dungeon if you're offline for a certain amount of time. With my internet connection the way it is, I have to hope and pray I don't get DC'd every time I do one of these because I'll get stuck redoing the whole thing due to no fault of my own. Why can't we just get saved to where we are unless we CHOOSE to leave the dungeon? You do it everywhere else for the most part, why not here?"

I could be wrong, but I dont think the guy is trolling.

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Shaladim

I solo a lot in MMORPGs, I am not ashamed of this - in fact I enjoy the challenge. By why?

Firstly, I'll say up-front that I am not a fan of PUGs as I tend to find there is always that one person who will spoil the experience (PUG raids are even worse) so unless there is a strong guild structure that promotes grouping I tend to stick to solo as I only have myself to blame for my mistakes and also as I get older have less time to play.

Content and rewards should of course favor groups but since this is a sandbox game, excellence of play and levelling up your skills should also be rewarded even where this enables solo-play. In some games this might be PvP based or perhaps open world bosses where grouping is not requried to win.

I do think that a lot of people's preferences will depend on where you started out and for me this was Asheron's Call which I still compare all other games I play. This was also a sandbox game but had a vassle based system where players could swear allegiance to another player who was then rewarded with a small percentage of pass-through experience as the vassle levelled to help alleviate much of the grind at higher levels. More importantly though, this created bonds between players to encourage helping each other out (i.e. bad patrons did not keep good vassles for long).

AC was the most social game I have ever played but it was also a grind and so solo grinding was also a thing you learnt (I don't mean unattended combat macros which ruined AC for so many). Surving dungeons with insane re-spawn rates or soloing mobs that were much harder than you was a genuine achievement which you learnt to do well. This has always stuck with me and I don't really care if it takes me 20 minutes to take out a mob solo that could be easily taken out with a decent group.

This doesnt mean that I would never group, 40 player organized raids in WoW were brilliant fun, but I will never be inclined to randomly group (unless unavoidable) and I will always look for solo-able content for the majority of my levelling.

Tragnar

Having solo content in the game is important, you can't just have nothing for the player to do when everyone in his friend list and guild is offline.

However solo content shouldn't be the optimal way to play - what do I mean by that? Farming as 2 players should give you more total farm than those 2 players farming solo.

Also wow elites intended for 2 players were never intended to be only a "group" content - if you listen to interviews of wow designers they intended those 2 player elites as entry point for the majority of players to meet other players and at the same time it served for skilled/veteran players as a solo challenge in the open world.

Proclaiming that you can't do anything solo in mmo is just bad design, because you want to ease new players into group content step by step and show through the reward system that grouping is more effective play than being solo.

imho those 2man elites in classic wow was excellent design on their part, because it served multiple purposes for different players and it was most importantly a step between a full group content like dungeons and solo play

SirChancelot

George Black wrote: »

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

A Massively Multiplayer Online game should never cater to the individual. Always to the group and community. This guy needs to go back to god of war and other single player games if he wants himself to be the focus of the games design.

A counter to this is I want to play an RPG. I want to dive into an immersive world. Other people make it feel more alive than a bunch of NPCs. I don't want to be social, I just want the depth.

A counter to this:
Play single player games. Much more immersive.

They usually aren't though... Especially lately...

I'm not agreeing with that guys post. I shouldn't be able to do dungeons or raids solo... Unless I'm way over leveled or geared for that content.

But I like MMORPGs because their worlds are massive, and immersive with tons to go explore... I don't play them to hang out in a virtual pub and just socialize (not that there's anything wrong with that, its just not why I play games)

mrwaffles

Mostly Solo player here: first off I'm only solo because I have rare free times and like to just hop on and do stuff then hop off. I do enjoy group content but It's convenient to just have freedom to do what ever when ever.

I will say that I never really demand solo content. A dungeon as a solo has never crossed my mind. If it did I wanted to do it as a joke just to see how bad I would get rolled. As for other content, specifically leveling, I understand that grinding my not be as efficient as other group oriented content but I'm okay with that.

tautau

I much prefer group play, but having some things to do solo is also fine. Friends are not always online or maybe I just have 20 minutes to play, so being able to kill a few mobs or craft or work in my garden is fine.

But one of the things that drives me towards solo play is Discord. I find that it breaks the immersion somewhat and, I know that this is a bit off topic, I really dislike people who curse needlessly. It is like some 14 year old is trying to act grown up by dropping the Fbomb every fourth word. I'm no prude (no one who has done two deployments with the USMC is), but I'll turn off discord and drop the group rather than put up with listing to it.

daveywavey

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

They usually aren't though... Especially lately...

I dunno. Once The Elder Scrolls 6 comes out, you likely won't see me for months.

Tragnar

daveywavey wrote: »

I dunno. Once The Elder Scrolls 6 comes out, you likely won't see me for months.

You're not alone

I can't wait for the first mod fixes though, it'll be a broken mess on launch without a doubt

Vhaeyne

Tragnar wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

I dunno. Once The Elder Scrolls 6 comes out, you likely won't see me for months.

You're not alone

I can't wait for the first mod fixes though, it'll be a broken mess on launch without a doubt

You'll see me on Bethesda's forums complaining about bugs.

daveywavey

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

I dunno. Once The Elder Scrolls 6 comes out, you likely won't see me for months.

You're not alone

I can't wait for the first mod fixes though, it'll be a broken mess on launch without a doubt

You'll see me on Bethesda's forums complaining about bugs.

Yeah, you won't see me at all.

Mawerick

This kind of thing is one of the foundations of why Western mmorpg's has almost died out in the last decade, while in the East, mmorpg's are very much alive and well. In the west, the mmorpg world has become dominated by solo-oriented, pvp, no-content, fast-paced games. They have far more in common with shooter games as with mmorpg's. And they are all dead. The only such game that is still doing half okay is: Black Desert Online, everything else dead. And along with this solo-centric gameplay, games without any content, called "surival mmorpg...." have also emerged, none of them is doing well.

On the contrary, the most successful mmorpg games are based on the opposite, just look at Elder Scrolls Online or Final Fantasy Online, all of them are based on rich content, it's crazy how much content these games have, the immersive world, the community, the group play, etc. and most people don't care if they have the best weapon or armour or not. If this game is going to build its success on guild wars, solo play, group battles, pvp,...the servers will be empty in a few months, as they always are and will be here.

Ramirez

The problem are pve casual players, i m playing NW, and forums are ridiculous , i think devs need to stick with their vision and ignore all the cry...

They made the endgame content more difficult for people need to group, now all the pve players are crying because they can`t do the content solo as they done before, while pvp players are enjoying , noe 10% luck for loot was add while pvp on, there is alot of pvp in endgame zones like was supposed yo be....

This new mentality of players that need to solo/casual the whole game is killing mmorpg

Vhaeyne

Ramirez wrote: »

The problem are pve casual players, i m playing NW, and forums are ridiculous , i think devs need to stick with their vision and ignore all the cry...

If they did that, it would be an actual sandbox PvP game instead of the crazy hybrid shit they injected in at least minute.

SirChancelot

daveywavey wrote: »

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

They usually aren't though... Especially lately...

I dunno. Once The Elder Scrolls 6 comes out, you likely won't see me for months.

Fair
Skyrim was the last 'solo' game that had the depth I enjoy... That was 10 years ago

daveywavey

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

SirChancelot11 wrote: »

They usually aren't though... Especially lately...

I dunno. Once The Elder Scrolls 6 comes out, you likely won't see me for months.

Fair
Skyrim was the last 'solo' game that had the depth I enjoy... That was 10 years ago

Must be nearly time for no. 6 then! Woop woop!

Tragnar

They've got time, skyrim was released 5.5 years after oblivion so obviously we shouldnt expect anything before they 11th aniversary

daveywavey

Tragnar wrote: »

They've got time, skyrim was released 5.5 years after oblivion so obviously we shouldnt expect anything before they 11th aniversary

Well, they wanted to release the mighty Elder Scrolls: Blades on mobile first, didn't they!

Enigmatic Sage

daveywavey wrote: »

Tragnar wrote: »

They've got time, skyrim was released 5.5 years after oblivion so obviously we shouldnt expect anything before they 11th aniversary

Well, they wanted to release the mighty Elder Scrolls: Blades on mobile first, didn't they!

No, they delayed it because of starfield.

Marcet

Soloing dungeons should be almost imposible.. Maybe if you are very very powerful. Playing completely solo should be less ambicious... for example, my mom wants to play this game but she is the kind of player who just "picks flowers" and crafts potions, slowly leveling up. The whole siege megabattles to forge the world doesn't interest her much.

Noaani

Expect Elder Scrolls 6 about 2 - 3 years after Ashes launches, imo.

I'm assuming Starfield will be out before Ashes though. Looking forward to seeing what Bethesda can do with a new IP.

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