Firearm types?

I have seen in promotional clips and stuff characters seemingly using rifles which makes me curious on what types of guns that we may end up seeing as if its just rifles that would still both be fun and more awesome than what any other mmo has done so far with many refusing to add guns purely for the principle of it like eso for example where despite having craftsman skilled enough to work on the fucking damn near magical dwemer machinery and the necessary blackpowder, for some reason they refuse to EVER add guns and same if not worse to a game like bdo where despite LITERALLY HAVING HUNTING RIFLES they refuse to add a gunner class or even begin to think of making rifles for actual combat for some idiotic reason.

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Noaani

Vvess wrote: »

just accept you are purely acting on emotion

You realize that this is all you are doing, right?

You want guns, simply because you want them.

We don't, simply because we don't.

If you are going to dismiss emotional reasons as being non-valid, you must dismiss your own emotional reasons as being non-valid as well.

Ironhope

daveywavey wrote: »

Because it's High Fantasy. Think Medieval-style weaponry along with magic. No guns! You want guns, go back to World Of Borecraft!

Uhhh... but Dave, guns are medieval weapons.

You've had guns in Europe since the early 1300's.

The Middle Ages ended in the late 15th century.

Classical Knights in shining armour and guns co-existed. They were just as medieval as knights.

Ironhope

I can see a lot of people in the community have a problem with firearms in AOC.

I'm the complete opposite.

I don't think naval combat could ever reach its potential without cannons and I think the game in general would be better with more diversity of weapons, including the rather unique medieval-style guns.

I think they could fit their own ''very slow attack rate for large damage, usually effective only in short range''.

I also think cannons would be cool in sieges and such.

Just my take on it.

Rookk

Ironhope wrote: »

I can see a lot of people in the community have a problem with firearms in AOC.

I'm the complete opposite.

I don't think naval combat could ever reach its potential without cannons and I think the game in general would be better with more diversity of weapons, including the rather unique medieval-style guns.

I think they could fit their own ''very slow attack rate for large damage, usually effective only in short range''.

I also think cannons would be cool in sieges and such.

Just my take on it.

ikr! like i would be 100% ok if the only 3 firearm types they added blunderbuss shotguns, flintlock pistols, and flintlock rifles or matchlock rifles. and hell they dont just have to be slow firing but the rifles and pistols at least could have actually poor accuracy cause it wasnt until like a good bit recently that rifling become common and standard place as well as bullets with a more aerodynamic shape than a sphere so it could be like insanely high damage compared to similar weapons but like the blunder buss takes A LOOOONNNGGGG time to reload so its best to switch to a secondary unless you have already carved out the time to reload and flintlock pistols being good finishers on people who maybe are trying to run from say a sword fighter who got the jump on them but messed up slightly and than since they made it c lear that with ranged weapons they want them to ACTUALLY BE USED LIKE RANGED WEAPONS instead of games like ESO where you can only use your snipe ability for very close and often times are literally just using the bows fuckin point blank it could mean that rifles take maybe less time to reload than the blunderbuss but because of the lack of rifling they could be a good bit inaccurate meaning that while you can possibley 1 shot snipe players from a good way out you still have to deal with at least horrid accuracy meaning its slight to moderate rng on actually hitting someone making them better as either volley weapons like they were used irl or better as boss killers as bosses size typically is very very large meaning that they are far easier to hit.

Rookk

Noaani wrote: »

Vvess wrote: »

just accept you are purely acting on emotion

You realize that this is all you are doing, right?

You want guns, simply because you want them.

We don't, simply because we don't.

If you are going to dismiss emotional reasons as being non-valid, you must dismiss your own emotional reasons as being non-valid as well.

also i wont deny part of my opinion is emotional as i like guns but i will say that there is another big part of me that just wants to make the game have a more diverse selection of weapons and be more immersive and realistic and hell if they make town guards able to take down players who try to fight in cities or in general have town guards than it would make sense why the cities can last in a world like AoC and dont get steamrolled by the first monster of moderate size that strolls past.

Marcet

let my dwarf fart on a candle you gon see

Atama

Marcet wrote: »

let my dwarf fart on a candle you gon see

That’s just how dwarves cast Fireball spells.

BaSkA_9x2

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

I wouldn't mind large ones with limited roles in ... ship-to-ship combat

Now that you mentioned it, I wouldn't mind some if ships were able to be equipped with some sort of a cannon that could shoot long distance projectiles regardless if it were potions, magic balls or cannonballs to damage other ships.

Sea of Thieves also came to mind, and even though the lack of progression (as well as many other things) made that game boring for me, I believe it had potential. It would be interesting if Ashes was able to get some inspiration from some cool naval content designs SoT had such as ship boarding mechanics, sea bosses (AFAIK Steven confirmed Ashes will have these), random events and maybe gatherable resources (raw materials) besides fish.

Rookk

Atama wrote: »

Marcet wrote: »

let my dwarf fart on a candle you gon see

That’s just how dwarves cast Fireball spells.

ok quick off topic for a sec..... XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

Rookk

BaSkA13 wrote: »

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

I wouldn't mind large ones with limited roles in ... ship-to-ship combat

Now that you mentioned it, I wouldn't mind some if ships were able to be equipped with some sort of a cannon that could shoot long distance projectiles regardless if it were potions, magic balls or cannonballs to damage other ships.

Sea of Thieves also came to mind, and even though the lack of progression (as well as many other things) made that game boring for me, I believe it had potential. It would be interesting if Ashes was able to get some inspiration from some cool naval content designs SoT had such as ship boarding mechanics, sea bosses (AFAIK Steven confirmed Ashes will have these), random events and maybe gatherable resources (raw materials) besides fish.

ohhhhh really? i mean honestly i like sea of thieve but i will say its a game that you play in bursts and purely cause you wanna see that 100,000 gold go up to 1,000,000 gold and because you REALLY love the gameplay pvp loop. personally i already love what i have read and heard about how ashes pvp will work as i love the idea of resources being hard to gather than risky to gather as players can kill you perhaps to take a large portion of the resources and perhaps money you have on you making it so there is not only incentive to pvp players to pk making it less of a dick move and more of a necessary move for some people who only have enough time to get on and yoink some guys loot and more than that it gives pvp players also the option to instead make deals with crafters (perhaps cause crafters are the only ones who can gather resources as a fun way to make being a crafter feel more specialized and needed than it already is) for either a cut of the resources gathered or money or maybe them using some of what they got to make you new weapons as from what i understand there isnt really gonna be buying weapons as you either earn them through boss kills or craft them and so that gives even more fun for pvp

Rookk

i really feel like if they do naval stuff right than they could make naval bosses or resources only gatherable perhaps by having certain ships to go out and gather ocean resources and like the normal resource gathering crafters will need to hire people to help protect them and if its on a ship than that adds yet another aspect to pvping either to protect or kill crafters as the group you'd hire for protecting you on a normal resource run on land would possibely have a completely different skillset to people skilled in the naval combat if they do it right kinda of like SoT where you need to be good at montioring for other enemy ships and prediticng enemy movements like where someone would stay if they were to try and ambush crafters and you need to be good at firing cannons and hitting the right spots and if they add the same sails and wind mechs from SoT than you need people skilled at following the wind and keeping you moving at full speed as well as piolting the ship to either ram the enemy for boarding or perhaps to avoid a ram as well as keeping the cannons facing the enemies without letting the enemies broadside hit you and people skilled at repairing as fast as possible. all in all there is so many ways naval combat could be fun and is yet another reason for firearm type weapons as cannons would be awesome and having the blunderbuss i mentioned would be good for perhaps investing in naval skills and augments if thats something that will be done with shotguns like it would let your crew focus more on the naval side as if someone boards and isnt careful and quick than they risk being one shot!

Dolyem

@Vvess you know what....sure... make medieval style gunpowder weapons in a high fantasy....so long as they are just as inefficient, cumbersome, inaccurate, and expensive as they were back in the day. Lmao.

Noaani

Dolyem wrote: »

@Vvess you know what....sure... make medieval style gunpowder weapons in a high fantasy....so long as they are just as inefficient, cumbersome, inaccurate, and expensive as they were back in the day. Lmao.

To me, this is the reason the argument of "but they were from the middle ages" doesn't work.

If we look at history, guns were never great until the 18th centaury (17th for cannons). Sure, they existed before then, but they weren't all that good.

Now, if you are in a world with magic, which works great already, why would you invest the equivalent of billions of dollars (in todays money) in to continuing to develop this thing that will still take hundreds of years to be viable to even use in combat, let alone how long it would take for them to be better than the magic that is already in use.

Looking through history, if actual governments (most notably Portugal) didn't do literally everything they could to improve guns, we likely wouldn't have them today. They only put the effort in because it was the best option available. If magic were available, undeveloped guns would not be the best option available, and so would not have that effort put in to them.

So, even if gunpowder itself were discovered in a world with functioning magic, it would likely never occur to anyone to spend the massive amount of effort needed to turn it in to a viable weapon.

Dolyem

Noaani wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

@Vvess you know what....sure... make medieval style gunpowder weapons in a high fantasy....so long as they are just as inefficient, cumbersome, inaccurate, and expensive as they were back in the day. Lmao.

To me, this is the reason the argument of "but they were from the middle ages" doesn't work.

If we look at history, guns were never great until the 18th centaury (17th for cannons). Sure, they existed before then, but they weren't all that good.

Now, if you are in a world with magic, which works great already, why would you invest the equivalent of billions of dollars (in todays money) in to continuing to develop this thing that will still take hundreds of years to be viable to even use in combat, let alone how long it would take for them to be better than the magic that is already in use.

Looking through history, if actual governments (most notably Portugal) didn't do literally everything they could to improve guns, we likely wouldn't have them today. They only put the effort in because it was the best option available. If magic were available, undeveloped guns would not be the best option available, and so would not have that effort put in to them.

So, even if gunpowder itself were discovered in a world with functioning magic, it would likely never occur to anyone to spend the massive amount of effort needed to turn it in to a viable weapon.

I mean honestly, if we could launch projectiles of elemental energy with magic or mana, why would we ever even attempt to launch projectiles with an expensive imported resource, let alone seek to develop it.

SirChancelot

I'm cool with just potion launchers instead
I don't understand the desire for guns to be in the game

Dolyem

Just to reiterate how silly these weapons are for an MMO. Heres a guy standing still and calm doing a demonstration for loading and firing a musket... 3 shots in roughly a minute, standing still without anything happening to them...with a musket designed in 1853, so roughly 350 years after the medieval period. Go ahead and toss this in the game with this fire rate and the lack of accuracy and misfires. lmao.
I love guns myself but this romanticizing of old school black powder in high fantasy is just silly to me when magic is an option.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXxEkZ6yuA0

bloodprophet

They used to do competitions for speed loading. They stopped because there would still be hot spots in the barrel and as people were pouring powder down the barrel it would ignite and hurt or worse the shooter. Load times are important.
Shooting black powder is fun but also very sketchy at times. Not exactly a consistent effect every time. sometimes works or sometimes get a delayed fire 3-10 seconds. Sometimes get a complete misfire and need to clear it.
Also not as accurate as some people think. Pre-rifling the ball could drift a lot really quickly.
Not what they show in the movies.

Personally I am happy Intrepid said no gun powder.

Vhaeyne

bloodprophet wrote: »

They used to do competitions for speed loading. They stopped because there would still be hot spots in the barrel and as people were pouring powder down the barrel it would ignite and hurt or worse the shooter. Load times are important.
Shooting black powder is fun but also very sketchy at times. Not exactly a consistent effect every time. sometimes works or sometimes get a delayed fire 3-10 seconds. Sometimes get a complete misfire and need to clear it.
Also not as accurate as some people think. Pre-rifling the ball could drift a lot really quickly.
Not what they show in the movies.

Personally I am happy Intrepid said no gun powder.

They could machine the outside of the gun barrel to be like a heat sink with a bunch of fins to add surface area. Thus allowing the speed loading speeds to keep progressing... Stupid compared to bullets, but it would be cool to see how fast people could speed load.

bloodprophet

No there are embers inside the barrel adding area to the out side would not relieve this concern.
And agreed is a poor way to do stuff compared to today's way of doing things.

Rookk

Dolyem wrote: »

@Vvess you know what....sure... make medieval style gunpowder weapons in a high fantasy....so long as they are just as inefficient, cumbersome, inaccurate, and expensive as they were back in the day. Lmao.

yea! thats what i Want! i think it would be cool to have weapons that are far more powerful than a bow but at the cost of being expensive and hard to use multiple times in a row! ik you meant that as a jab and a point as to why to not do it but thats exactly what i was trying to sugget since thats another flavor of weapon and a different way to augment how we all play the game!

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