Which Alpha 2 content are you looking forward to the most?

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What hypes you the most about the content we should see in Alpha 2?

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Ironhope

Noaani wrote: »

I'm not saying that it is anyone else's fault.

I am just trying to do my own small part in rectifying Intrepids mistake.

Yeah I know, wasn't saying you're at fault for anything.

My point is that Intrepid should clarify asap how things work when it comes to the matter and re-name the ''classes'' to specs if that's what they are in fact.

Ghury

What about lifeskill content? Can we do all of them and making silvers from them, similar to bdo lifeskill content? i can't really grind from hrs, it's just so boring

daveywavey

I just want to see my Bard skills

Talents

Ironhope wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

If you go in to the game expecting 64 actual classes instead of 8, you will be disappointed.

If something doesn't change soon tons of people will go in only to be disappointed by this simply because ''Class'' is the term Intrepid chose.

I mean, in ArcheAge you had to choose 3 skillsets in order to create a Class (and there were 220+ class combinations), yet no one seemed to get confused by that just because it was called a Class.

If people don't do research then it's their own fault for being disappointed. There were people that bought the $500 A1 pack without realising Ashes was planning to have always on PvP and then cried about it.

McMackMuck

Intrepid are entitled to rename everything outside the existing expectation and conventions if they want. Kaeler can be Green, Ren'Kai can be pink, specs can be archetypes, combining two archetypes can be a class, the list of what could be redefined is endless.
The only potential consequence in deviating from standard conventions is placing barriers between the players and their understanding of and committing to the game. Like in retail, barriers at the front of the store need to be overcome to get paying customers in.

I don't think anything in Ashes is so far removed from convention to be too difficult to grasp.

That said, I have a minor dislike for the word Archetype because it has too many syllables. I completely accept that it's semantics, but I would prefer 'primary class' and 'secondary class' to arrive at one of 64 types.

Ironhope

Talents wrote: »

I mean, in ArcheAge you had to choose 3 skillsets in order to create a Class (and there were 220+ class combinations), yet no one seemed to get confused by that just because it was called a Class.

Can't comment on utterly subjective aspects of a game that's far from even being into top 10 (so we can't really say what it did was good).

Talents wrote: »

If people don't do research then it's their own fault for being disappointed.

No it's the dev's fault for doing false advertising.

If I label 1 gram of Ocimum basilicum as cancer medicine and sell it for 500$ I'm 100% going to go to jail for fraud, ''the buyer should have done his research'' isn't a defense, it's a joke.

daveywavey

McMackMuck wrote: »

That said, I have a minor dislike for the word Archetype because it has too many syllables. I completely accept that it's semantics, but I would prefer 'primary class' and 'secondary class' to arrive at one of 64 types.

You could go even more hardcore, and just have "Ug", "Og", and "Ag".

You get your "Ug" at character creation.
You get your "Og" at level 25.
The combination of your "Ug" and "Og" is your "Ag"!

You're welcome

CROW3

Ironhope wrote: »

No it's the dev's fault for doing false advertising.

If I label 1 gram of Ocimum basilicum as cancer medicine and sell it for 500$ I'm 100% going to go to jail for fraud, ''the buyer should have done his research'' isn't a defense, it's a joke.

What false advertising? Ashes has always been labeled a PvX game since KS, and yes, people still bought into A1 without understanding the basics first. That’s just pure consumer ignorance.

Your analogy is just wrong.

MybroViajero

No Body Sliders = No game

Boanergese

1. All of it.
2. Griefing all of you with my rogue and obtaining the highest corruption score. Don't worry, I will provide a lot of data for the developers.

Schmuky

We can all argue about the classes and stuff, but the only thing that truly matters in A2 is combat. If combat is good, if it feels good, looks good etc, it will make AoC the first MMORPG in a brand new generation (hate the term next-gen everything is next-gen nowadays). And I mean it.

UE5, no pay2win, good combat? Every MMO player will give it a shot. Because there is nothing like that on the market. There hasn't been for a long time.

Thats why I am keeping up with Ashes, I have a feeling that if the devs manage to deliver and not get "lost" along the way, Its going to shake the MMO genre.

Classes? Don't matter, if the combat is good. Content? Even if it is content light at launch, if the foundation is good, people will see it and stay for the content to come.

And I am going to make a prediction. 5 years from now, these are going to be 3 top MMOs. FFXIV (thats not going to fall anytime soon, and tbh, it shouldn't), AoC and whatever Riot is cooking up with their MMO.

Make combat good in A2, nothing is as important as being able to say " we are not doing P2W, we have a bleeding edge engine and our combat is good". Do that, and Ashes is going to be a success.

Dolyem

Archetypes, Nodes, naval systems, PvP content, and combat in general. Not necessarily in that order but I plan to break them as much as I can to make sure the game flourishes by release. After all of those I will check out the artisan systems.

TrUSivraj

Vaknar wrote: »

Nobody said crop rotations?!

I am definitely excited for farming in freeholds, don't you worry!
PvP and housing are my go-tos for sure.

JustVine

Vaknar wrote: »

Nobody said crop rotations?!

In order to be hype about anything farming related, I would have to be convinced it's not going to be some knock off mobile game that's mandatory for anyone wanting to make passive gold since its no risk and as far as I currently know, intended to be do able from your phone and therefore low reward for people like me who are serious about it. I'm not convinced the current concept of crop rotations will make for fun game play just yet either.

It'd be like asking me why I am not hype for summoner. Too little info and too many signs pointing towards flawed supporting systems design.

I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, it could be as good as or better than bdo's farming, but said lack of information explaining all the questionable design questions in a less questionable fuller context means there is no tangible reason to be hype at this time.

Guild Wars 2 is finally adding fishing. Now that is hype news for a life skilling mmo player.

MetalDad

In order:
+1 Combat (both PvP and PvE )
+1 Classes
+1 Nodes
+1 Caravans

McMackMuck

daveywavey wrote: »

You could go even more hardcore, and just have "Ug", "Og", and "Ag".

You get your "Ug" at character creation.
You get your "Og" at level 25.
The combination of your "Ug" and "Og" is your "Ag"!

You're welcome

Many a true word spoken in jest!

McMackMuck

@Boanergese Dark, but funny!

McMackMuck

JustVine wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

Nobody said crop rotations?!

In order to be hype about anything farming related, I would have to be convinced it's not going to be some knock off mobile game that's mandatory for anyone wanting to make passive gold since its no risk and as far as I currently know, intended to be do able from your phone and therefore low reward for people like me who are serious about it. I'm not convinced the current concept of crop rotations will make for fun game play just yet either.

<other comment not responding too>

If seasons are "the correct length" (thanks @Nerror, great post) then crops will have abundance and scarcity at different times. This encourages both 1) stockpiling in storage and 2) caravans to make a profit from scarcity in other locations. So when I think of crop rotations I see genuine motivation to siege nodes and caravan PvP. Something mundane in farming sim games takes on a whole new exploitative angle.

JustVine

McMackMuck wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

Nobody said crop rotations?!

In order to be hype about anything farming related, I would have to be convinced it's not going to be some knock off mobile game that's mandatory for anyone wanting to make passive gold since its no risk and as far as I currently know, intended to be do able from your phone and therefore low reward for people like me who are serious about it. I'm not convinced the current concept of crop rotations will make for fun game play just yet either.

<other comment not responding too>

If seasons are "the correct length" (thanks @Nerror, great post) then crops will have abundance and scarcity at different times. This encourages both 1) stockpiling in storage and 2) caravans to make a profit from scarcity in other locations. So when I think of crop rotations I see genuine motivation to siege nodes and caravan PvP. Something mundane in farming sim games takes on a whole new exploitative angle.

I am glad you can be hype on that level. I cannot be given too many weird choices. What you stated was a core reason I was initially hype, before, well... A lot of weird little things and lack of information that made no sense to not provide:

1. They have made some questionable economic decisions that might make it irrelevant in terms of 'this is my primary crafting gameplay loop' that I am not sure how they will reconcile.

2. The farming gameplay itself should be engaging enough without this external incentive or people who like it will just continue to play bdo or similar. Everything about their homestead design and the mobile app has told me only enough to think 'wait they might not just be copy pasting bdo's solved formula and adding the node system... what on earth are they even swinging at here?'

Over all seasonal rotation effecting desirable nodes is definitely something I want to matter (and even cooler if some nodes are in optimal temp for certain crops mostly year round making those nodea a big deal.) But I am not sold that their economic design will make it all that meaningful just yet, nor the gameplay inside farming with crop rotations fun yet, nor am I sold that farming will be a specialized activity on a meta level given current design decisions and lack of details on other ones.

McMackMuck

@JustVine Fair enough, all of your concerns are valid as so much has yet to be coded, tested and iterated before arriving at the end result that is "good enough for release" by Steven's measure.
I'm hoping the economist consultant that they used will have a positive impact on the game, but that also remains to be proven.
I believe that Steven sets extremely high standards for himself. As a result I don't think he will release Ashes until it has a high level of polish in most, if not all, areas. If a gameplay loop isn't good enough for him then Ashes won't release until it is. If you can accept this belief as true, then the only question becomes, are your expectations higher than Steven's in each individual aspect of the game?

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