Pets should do SOMETHING. Maybe auto-loot, for you?

In today's live-stream, it was specifically mentioned that pets will be fully-cosmetic. Yours truly understands that some people collect pets in MMOs, but I never have. It just always felt annoying to have a floating/following cosmetic item on the screen that served no purpose.

Even if they don't grant bonuses, couldn't they at least serve as an auto-loot function?

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JustVine

We got three levels of functionality of 'pet' in this game, and I'm happy with that. Cuteness? Get a pet. Functionality? Get a battle pet or mount. Wanna be the best like no one ever was? Summon.

Sarkgp

It is a delicate issue, in terms of functionality it would be fine, it would not be p2W if pets are only obtained in game, it would be a challenge and it would give more importance to the pet breeding profession.

Moriawe

This makes me think of the summoner and the DnD ability.
"While your familiar is within 100 feet of you, you can communicate with it telepathically. Additionally, as an action, you can see through your familiar’s eyes and hear what it hears until the start of your next turn, gaining the benefits of any special senses that the familiar has. During this time, you are deaf and blind with regard to your own senses."

That would be cool, send out your hawk to check out the area around you etc.

Shoshi

I don't mind them having small functions since i am used to it from other games (loot, extra bag slot, buffs you with the food/drinks from your bag, etc) the trick is to be attainable in game for everyone and then for those who want to buy from shop , the shop version should be only a skin change not a function change.

As for everything else if you don't like it, don't use it. Its stupid to say it breaks whatever immersion you want to have or it forces you, since its your own choice to put them out or not!

Also you should add a see/no see toggle about other players pets, to avoid the above mentioned clutter on screen.

Atama

Shoshi wrote: »

I don't mind them having small functions since i am used to it from other games (loot, extra bag slot, buffs you with the food/drinks from your bag, etc) the trick is to be attainable in game for everyone and then for those who want to buy from shop , the shop version should be only a skin change not a function change.

A couple things...

As stated repeatedly, combat pets will be in the game. Pets won't provide small functions, they can be made part of your character's set of skills, and any archetype can use them. You just need to sacrifice skill points for them (so you sacrifice some of your normal class skills).

The pets in the cosmetic store aren't skins. They are actual things, unlike the mounts, ships, and buildings which are skins you need to put over items you acquire in-game. The pets you get in the cosmetic store are their own items you can summon, and aren't skins you can use to change the appearance of other pets you can get in-game. Which is a shame; that means you can't turn your royal corgi into a combat pet.

Thaedd

Kionashi wrote: »

Auto loot in general is a pretty bad idea, it would make bots easier to implement and just afk farm resources decreasing their market value..

Spot on! Quality of life changes need to be implemented with an eye on bots.

Nerror

Thaedd wrote: »

Kionashi wrote: »

Auto loot in general is a pretty bad idea, it would make bots easier to implement and just afk farm resources decreasing their market value..

Spot on! Quality of life changes need to be implemented with an eye on bots.

Bots need to be combated with the live GM team we're promised. A system should not punish the rest of us with removing QoL things like auto-loot because of bots. Players should never be auto-looted though, only monsters, and only depending on loot settings if in a group or raid.

Noaani

Nerror wrote: »

Bots need to be combated with the live GM team we're promised.

Intrepid will lose that fight.

The games design needs to take every opportunity to make things harder for bots if the game is to not be overrun.

If having to manually loot is an issue, the developers should look at how much shit they are giving out to players.

Dygz

I would prefer the live GMs to be focused on interacting with actual players rather than be tied up fighting bots.
So, if auto-loot makes it easier for bots, with the expectation that GMs will deal with the bots related to auto-loot... I'd rather not have auto-loot.

Nerror

Noaani wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Bots need to be combated with the live GM team we're promised.

Intrepid will lose that fight.

That's just a defeatist attitude. Of course they won't ever remove bots 100%. Same goes for any other kind of cheating. But having auto-loot or not is not what makes the real difference.

You combat bots by allocating resources towards it. Obviously the game has to be built around supporting analysis of the player's behavioral characteristics and detecting those patterns. And then it's a constant cat and mouse game between botters and the company, where they look at the behaviour and network traffic characteristics and such. It's possible they might need a programmer full time to combat it. Having auto-loot or not doesn't change that at all. Combined with the live GM team that can quickly react to all reports by players, I am confident they can keep botting to a minimum if they want to. But they obviously have to want to and permaban the fuckers.

Noaani

Nerror wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Bots need to be combated with the live GM team we're promised.

Intrepid will lose that fight.

That's just a defeatist attitude.

You could say that, or you could say it is a realistic attitude.

Developing a game where you are reliant on people being your primary defense against negative actions is not going to work.

It is far too expensive. It will cost Intrepid more to investigate a suspected botting account than it cost the botters to create it, so your suggestion here is literally putting a weapon in the hands of would be botters.

Nerror

Noaani wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Bots need to be combated with the live GM team we're promised.

Intrepid will lose that fight.

That's just a defeatist attitude.

You could say that, or you could say it is a realistic attitude.

Developing a game where you are reliant on people being your primary defense against negative actions is not going to work.

It is far too expensive. It will cost Intrepid more to investigate a suspected botting account than it cost the botters to create it, so your suggestion here is literally putting a weapon in the hands of would be botters.

Not having auto-loot doesn't change the fact that the Live GM team is partially reliant on players. It's not the primary defense, I don't know where you get that from. The primary defense is obviously the tracking of behaviour built in to the game and the live GMs.

As for the cost, that's the practically same with or without auto-loot. Bots can "manually" loot as well, no problem. We are way past the stage where that really matters. With or without auto-loot they still have to do automatic inventory management and dispose of the cheap stuff to make room for the expensive stuff. All of it creates trackable patterns. The looting part is but a small part of it.

So yeah, I'll take QoL in whatever form it may come, over something that affects anti-botting measures very little. The game will be better for it, meaning more players, meaning more revenue for Intrepid to combat the botters/cheaters = less of them in the game.

You want to ban trade between players too, to combat gold/item selling like in BDO? I am guessing not, but it's the same flawed logic.

Vaknar

But they do serve a purpose!

They follow you around and give you companionship during your adventures c:

Nerror

Vaknar wrote: »

But they do serve a purpose!

They follow you around and give you companionship during your adventures c:

Do you happen to know if they'll interact with other pets in the area?

tautau

I still want to be able to send my cosmetic pet to pee on things and people and other pets. No damage, just laughs. Plus let the dogs bark and run and vomit and growl.

No emotes needed for cats, they don't follow commands.

bloodprophet

Kittens give Morbo gas

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