Protecting Our Casuals: Gear

Casuals will have to learn when not to fight and just let the other player take a corruption hit.

Caww wrote: »

Casuals will have to learn when not to fight and just let the other player take a corruption hit.

This sounds like horrible game design. You are joking, right?

No.... that's what the corruption is meant to reduce.

P.S. I'm a real casual and poor PvP player but I'm still gonna try to make a go of it.

Caww wrote: »

No.... that's what the corruption is meant to reduce

So your suggestion is to ask casuals to not play the game? That's exactly my point. They will stop playing. Reducing the amount of power that gear provides still means that you can be 20-30% stronger than someone with worse gear.

PvX will not be for everybody - the whole "carebear" thing is an issue but this game has its goals and it either fits your style or not.

Caww wrote: »

PvX will not be for everybody - the whole "carebear" thing is an issue but this game has its goals and it either fits your style or not.

I am not advocating for carebears... please read the post. I am just stating that reducing the power that gear provides will allow casuals to compete (somewhat) without causing them to quit when they lose to hardcore players over and over without ever standing a chance. You understand that the game will not survive if all casuals are alienated, right?

sorry - but that still sounds a little like carebear thinking, player power is always gonna be a dev concern and I trust AoC will balance as best as possible

Caww wrote: »

sorry - but that still sounds a little like carebear thinking, player power is always gonna be a dev concern and I trust AoC will balance as best as possible

AoC offers so many avenues for hardcore players to excel. From node leadership to gear progression. All I am saying is that gear power should be kept in check and only increase a character's power by about 20-30% at most (which is still very significant). You just don't like that this gives casuals a fighting chance? Why? Why is that such a bad thing? It's far from carebear.

I'm not against helping the noob/casual player, I'll be one myself. The gear/skill balance ratio will probably be adjusted through out the entire games cycle.

VmanGman wrote: »

People will enjoy grinding out their gear even if each piece gives small increments of power increase.

Disagree. It's one of the main reasons I dislike ARPGs. I hate working for ages to get a new piece of gear only for it to provide an almost unrecognisable stat boost.

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

People will enjoy grinding out their gear even if each piece gives small increments of power increase.

Disagree. It's one of the main reasons I dislike ARPGs. I hate working for ages to get a new piece of gear only for it to provide an almost unrecognisable stat boost.

When your long term goal is 20-30% power over another player, you don't feel like your work is validated? 20-30% is a lot. Let skill play a part in a fight as well. If gear is too meaningful, then skill is meaningless.

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

People will enjoy grinding out their gear even if each piece gives small increments of power increase.

Disagree. It's one of the main reasons I dislike ARPGs. I hate working for ages to get a new piece of gear only for it to provide an almost unrecognisable stat boost.

When your long term goal is 20-30% power over another player, you don't feel like your work is validated?

Not when I can't tell the difference in my power when I get a new item. I should be able to get a new piece of gear and instantly feel that I've gotten stronger, not something like "Grats, you went from a piece of gear with 102 strength and 5.2% crit chance to 104 strength and 5.3% crit chance".

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

People will enjoy grinding out their gear even if each piece gives small increments of power increase.

Disagree. It's one of the main reasons I dislike ARPGs. I hate working for ages to get a new piece of gear only for it to provide an almost unrecognisable stat boost.

When your long term goal is 20-30% power over another player, you don't feel like your work is validated?

Not when I can't tell the difference in my power when I get a new item. I should be able to get a new piece of gear and instantly feel that I've gotten stronger, not something like "Grats, you went from a piece of gear with 102 strength and 5.2% crit chance to 104 strength and 5.3% crit chance".

That's not what I'm saying either. 20-30% power increase from gear would result in a lot more than just 0.1% crit chance per item... Please read and understand the post first. Don't just grab onto the first thing you think that you don't like.

mcstackerson

I agree that we need to lower the vertical scaling so more people can be competitive but it's hard to interpret what you mean by the statement talents is quoting. I agree that i don't want to grind through 10 tiers of gear for a 30%.

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

People will enjoy grinding out their gear even if each piece gives small increments of power increase.

Disagree. It's one of the main reasons I dislike ARPGs. I hate working for ages to get a new piece of gear only for it to provide an almost unrecognisable stat boost.

When your long term goal is 20-30% power over another player, you don't feel like your work is validated?

Not when I can't tell the difference in my power when I get a new item. I should be able to get a new piece of gear and instantly feel that I've gotten stronger, not something like "Grats, you went from a piece of gear with 102 strength and 5.2% crit chance to 104 strength and 5.3% crit chance".

That's not what I'm saying either. 20-30% power increase from gear would result in a lot more than just 0.1% crit chance per item... Please read and understand the post first. Don't just grab onto the first thing you think that you don't like.

There are 16 gear slots in the game which means it would be quite plausible to get only 0.1/0.2% crit chance increase from a gear piece upgrade in your 20-30% gear power scenario.

mcstackerson wrote: »

I agree that we need to lower the vertical scaling so more people can be competitive but it's hard to interpret what you mean by the statement talents is quoting. I agree that i don't want to grind through 10 tiers of gear for a 30%.

Why are there 10 tiers of gear?

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

People will enjoy grinding out their gear even if each piece gives small increments of power increase.

Disagree. It's one of the main reasons I dislike ARPGs. I hate working for ages to get a new piece of gear only for it to provide an almost unrecognisable stat boost.

When your long term goal is 20-30% power over another player, you don't feel like your work is validated?

Not when I can't tell the difference in my power when I get a new item. I should be able to get a new piece of gear and instantly feel that I've gotten stronger, not something like "Grats, you went from a piece of gear with 102 strength and 5.2% crit chance to 104 strength and 5.3% crit chance".

That's not what I'm saying either. 20-30% power increase from gear would result in a lot more than just 0.1% crit chance per item... Please read and understand the post first. Don't just grab onto the first thing you think that you don't like.

There are 16 gear slots in the game which means it would be quite plausible to get only 0.1/0.2% crit chance increase from a gear piece upgrade in your 20-30% gear power scenario.

When each item increases your power by about 1-2%, you will soon feel the difference. You understand that if gear is too meaningful, then skill is meaningless, right?

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

People will enjoy grinding out their gear even if each piece gives small increments of power increase.

Disagree. It's one of the main reasons I dislike ARPGs. I hate working for ages to get a new piece of gear only for it to provide an almost unrecognisable stat boost.

When your long term goal is 20-30% power over another player, you don't feel like your work is validated?

Not when I can't tell the difference in my power when I get a new item. I should be able to get a new piece of gear and instantly feel that I've gotten stronger, not something like "Grats, you went from a piece of gear with 102 strength and 5.2% crit chance to 104 strength and 5.3% crit chance".

That's not what I'm saying either. 20-30% power increase from gear would result in a lot more than just 0.1% crit chance per item... Please read and understand the post first. Don't just grab onto the first thing you think that you don't like.

There are 16 gear slots in the game which means it would be quite plausible to get only 0.1/0.2% crit chance increase from a gear piece upgrade in your 20-30% gear power scenario.

When each item increases your power by about 1-2%, you will soon feel the difference. You understand that if gear is too meaningful, then skill is meaningless, right?

Yes, and I don't see the problem with that. If someone eclipses someone in gear by multiple tiers then that should be insurmountable, just like in League of Legends you're rarely if ever gonna beat someone in a 1v1 that has multiple items over you.