Request to make the Empyrean more distinguished from Humans

Hejo,

Since the Py'Rai got some love to make them more unique and different. I would love to see the Empyrean get the same kind of love as well.

How about giving them the option to have Glowing Eyes to make them more distinguished from Humans?

I think glowing eyes could be good to keep them Elven but diversify them.

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RyanTheSiren

Dygz wrote: »

They didn't appear much taller than Kaelar in Alpha One.

Alpha one had very rough models, we haven't even seen the revamped Empyrean yet, but just look at the difference between A1 dwarves (short humans) and current Duinr dwarves (Actual burly Dwarves)

Dygz

Seems like the Dünir are still tiny, though. We need to see them compared to other races.

You said you didn't understand why people are saying Empyrean look too much like Kaelar.
I informed you it's because of their appearance in Alpha One.
And it's the reason for this thread which is asking that they be more distinguished from Humans than they were in Alpha One.

You are saying they WILL be much taller than Kaelar.
Do you have a dev quote for that?

Antian Siridean

Glowing Eyes sounds like a fun idea~

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Anonymous332

We have now high fantasy elf option with Py'Rai, i think its best to appeal to the tolkien elf crowd with Empyrean because thats what majority of classic elf fanboys/girls look for

Firebrand

Not really down with the glowing eyes thing. I think a better idea...and something that would much more distinguishable, and noticeable from a distance would be to give some kind of a glowing aura around them. We see that at various times in Lord of the Rings so even the people who seem to think that an Elf can't exist out of the Tolkien version can't really complain. Maybe its a bit stronger at a distance and de-luminates at they get closer. That way it will distinguish them from a distance but doesn't blind you up close and personal. Something similar to when Frodo first catches glimpse of Arwen in The Fellowship. She's very bright at first from a distance and then its as if she walks thru it, or out of it and the radiance fades.

CROW3

Given their culture and lore, it would be interesting to leverage that to differentiate the visuals from humans.

For example, maybe the different universities of magic from old impacted their characteristics. Or the prolonged exposure to corruption across Verra added physical marks to different sub-tribes.

It would be kinda cool as an elf to have your tattoo glow brighter when encountering places / enemies touched by corruption.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Elves

Anonymous332

Highly disagree with the tattoo idea for Empyrean. Steven has already said Py'rai will have your idea of tattoos or similar with bioluminescent/glowing options.

I am sure there will be cosmetics down the road to satisfy your idea of the ideal empyrean

Zurgo_Drakuth

So in terms of creating uniqueness for the Empyrean I would agree that glowing eyes and tattoos would be good options, and it brings to mind the Nightborne from World of Warcraft. Additionally I would suggest adding other types of demi-human features to them, the Py'rai have a very "one with nature" feel going for them with the latest update showing their antlers, so perhaps going for a more "heavenly" route with the Empyrean would be good, I saw some people talking about halos for them which would certainly be different.

Now let's take the halo idea a bit farther and perhaps draw upon inspiration from biblical angels for a moment. Perhaps go for an option of making it 3 or 4 eyes giving them the appearance of being "closer to the gods".

Perhaps take a bit of inspiration from Aion's Asmodians and give them taloned hands and feet and allowing them to have darker skin tones more into the gray scale creating a drastic contrast to the glowing tattoos and eyes.

Dygz

Empyrean might have different tattoos.
Japanese tattoos aren’t the same as Maori tattoos. Both are different than European tattoos.

Seo Rak

@Teyloune the idea is pretty cool. Gives them some uniqueness

Ryliah

Never thought I would want elves with glowing eyes, but yes, I do, and I love this idea!

Westergard

RyanTheSiren wrote: »

Mm, I personally am not entirely convinced the idea of this. I think it's nice to have one of the Elf races look more "standard elf-y". That's how it is with all the other races. Dunir and Ren'kai look like typical Dwarves and Orcs compared to their counterparts.

If this happens I really hope it's an optional thing and/or the intensity of the glow can be adjusted. I hate having glowbug flashlight eyes on my Elves in WoW after the WoD update to their models. Subtle glow is much better looking that flashlight eyes IMO

Could be cool to have glowing halo-esque options too to show Essence closeness and make the race feel more divine. Something like this:

I really love this idea!
But rather than constant glowing eyes, tattoos and halos I'd prefer it if these glows and halos [TEMPORARILY] manifested during the casting of abilities.

Like a human cleric just casts a healing spell.
An empyrean cleric manifests a glowing white halo during that cast and glowing eyes that linger for a second and then shimmer out.

An empyrean warrior might manifest an angry flaming halo while raging.
Empyrean ranger manifests green vibrant halo.
Mages a crackling blue halo that's very close to essence

I really want a standard pretty Elf race and giving them these [OPTIONAL] glows for eyes, runic tattoos and halos would set them apart from both py'rai and humans

On the other hand it could be amazing if rather than an outward change, the empyreans showed an inward difference from the other races because of their closeness to essence.
Think LoTR elves not aging or getting ill or not being affected by heavy snowfall or alcohol. Think DnD elves not needing sleep and instead meditating for four hours a night.

By changing the way Empyreans interact with the world and the way the world pushes back against them you can give them the otherworldly or magical feeling that makes them seem more, or just a step beyond the other mortals without putting them into the flashy or uncanny valley.

Bad Wolf

I'll admit first and foremost, I'm going to be playing a Py'Rai and am immensely happy for the unique take on them. I also understand that Empyrean players want something just as striking but also the desire to keep it considerably more traditional. One way that we've already seen is the immensely beautiful collection of hair options that male and females have thus far been shown, but the light glow of the eyes if not even a cat like reflectiveness may be a good route and middle ground.

I think its also important in the pursuit of it, they aren't just made to be Py'Rai light either. Empyreans and Py'Rai have evolved away from each other, while they both have nature reverence, Empyreans are progressive. The high fantasy vs classical i think is important. But even in things like Lord of the Rings, Galadrial has eyes that have a special twinkle (and needed its own lighting rig for) because she was the last elf to see the light of the Tees of Valinor. Its not unreasonable to say that eyes are a place in which elves show the worlds affect on them, especially when it comes to magic in multiple pieces of fiction.

Velein

Seeing something like glowing eyes, glowing runes/tattoos/markings, then 'halo' effect or some type of glow would give a uniqueness to them, but also fit in how they are attuned to Essence more than the others. Not super over the top that blinds people, but just enough to set them apart. It also helps give them a bit more uniqueness from typical High Elves in games.

We see from the other races they are trying to make each race different than what you see in other games, or at least as much as possible.

Sword Brother Sorios

Just as long as High Elves don't have glowing eyes or other traits/characteristics due to some kind of divine reason, I'm all up for it. I'd be just fine if the glowing eyes had something to do with higher magical affinity or that's simply high elf physiology for you.

RyanTheSiren

Sword Brother Sorios wrote: »

Just as long as High Elves don't have glowing eyes or other traits/characteristics due to some kind of divine reason, I'm all up for it. I'd be just fine if the glowing eyes had something to do with higher magical affinity or that's simply high elf physiology for you.

I mean, those are kind of the same thing? The Gods are beings of The Essence, which is a metaphysical energy or life-force of sorts that can be manipulated to create what could be viewed as magic. The Gods exist on the plane of the gods, which is the most connected to the Essence. So having super high connection to the essence would be similar to being more "divine" in the Ashes universe it seems. Also all the races all seem to have their own Patron gods/were created by the Gods. The races are supposed to represent different aspects of the gods iirc

I'm curious why you are against it being due to a divine reason?

ViBunja

I do like the idea of glowing eyes, but I feel that glowing eyes are a too small detail to make any difference during combat or looking at a character from a few steps away, they would still look like humans. They definitely need something big, as Ryan said so, I like those examples and it would make the Empyrean unique.

Anduin Kayvaan

ViBunja wrote: »

I do like the idea of glowing eyes, but I feel that glowing eyes are a too small detail to make any difference during combat or looking at a character from a few steps away, they would still look like humans. They definitely need something big, as Ryan said so, I like those examples and it would make the Empyrean unique.

I would say glowing stuff is always good as it does not morph their body. If they are supposed to be normal elves I think giving them evidence of that connection to the essence is the best way to go about it.

ViBunja

Anduin Kayvaan wrote: »

ViBunja wrote: »

I do like the idea of glowing eyes, but I feel that glowing eyes are a too small detail to make any difference during combat or looking at a character from a few steps away, they would still look like humans. They definitely need something big, as Ryan said so, I like those examples and it would make the Empyrean unique.

I would say glowing stuff is always good as it does not morph their body. If they are supposed to be normal elves I think giving them evidence of that connection to the essence is the best way to go about it.

Well, none of them are normal "race" since Intrepid said there were Elves, Humans, Dwarves and Orcs, and those original races are now gone and all that remains are the evolution of each race hence why none of them are called humans, elves, orcs, dwarves, but they have different names. Humans are now Kaelar and Vaelune. Dwarves are Dunir and Nikua, Orcs are Ren'Kai and Vek and Elves are Empyrean and Py'Rai.

I keep seeing people bring this up, they want a traditional race, but from what we are told all of them don't longer exist in Verra. They are long-lost races and I feel trying to get the traditional races will go against what the lore and what Intrepid wants and they should fully embrace races that are different yet look similar to each of their own.

I'd also suggest Kaelar and Vaelune get some interesting changes too, to make them look less human and more like an evolved human.

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