Why should I continue to Support Intrepid Studios?

I ask my mentors like @BCG , perhaps @Jahlon , and @Lex why one should keep supporting Steven? Respectfully submitted not requiring Steven's answer. I am asking his Lieutenants. Please respond. Thank you.

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Wololo

have been lurking in the background waiting for you dear skaff, did you take your medicine today ?

Dreadnought

"Should i support trees? They're not sprouting to full height in 2 years and im getting worried"

Birthday

I was wondering when this would start occurring. People have been mention how this project should be careful from becoming the new Star Citizen. But from the data that I see it already is in Star Citizen's position if not worse. Star citizen production began in 2010. It was announced in 2012. It was to release in 2014. It's not released even now and it's still in alpha. It began it's alpha in 2016

AoC has been in talk from what I remember before it's kickstarter in 2017. It had a kickstarter in 2017. So that means excluding talk before 2017 that it's been officially in development since 2017 so that is 5 years. Star Citizen released it's alpha in 2016. So only 4 years after it's official announcement. From 2017 to 2021 it's been 4 years and we got alpha one. I think they got "playable" as in persistent-ish alpha in 2020 so that is 8 years. From what I see as expectations from people we wont be seeing alpha 2 at the very least until Q4 of 2022 and that's very optimistic according to people on the forum. More realistic would be 2024. So we'll be getting an alpha 2 seven years after the initial official announcement. Then what? Who is to say Steven wont do the same thing as Star Citizen, just allow players to play in that Alpha 2 for an indefinite amount of time.

The only thing Steven is doing different so far from Star Citizen is that he isn't giving any release dates but that doesn't amount to much. That just shows he himself has no idea when this thing will be done. Which means it's release isn't in the foreseeable. So that means it wont get a full release in the next 6 years for sure I'd say and it's a realistic guess that it'll get a full release in 10+ years.

So to answer your question as a fellow forum dweller and AoC enthusiast - the only reason I keep dwelling on this forum and committed to buying a pack in the near future is that I am okay with all of this. I am okay with AoC being in Alpha/beta for the next 10 years. I see it as a long term investment. I am hoping that I'll be able to play it in these 10 years and that it'll be fun but what I am hoping more is that it'll be game that'll be relevant, alive and very competitive in the market even after 30 years. I hope to still be playing this game when I retire basically and not because it has become my comfort zone game over the years but because it's actually stayed relevant, competitive and fun for that many years. It might not be the answer you are looking for but that's my reason and my answer. Hope you find yours. Hope Steven proves me wrong.

Noaani

skafftaruss wrote: »

I ask my mentors like BCG , perhaps Jahlon , and Lex why one should keep supporting Steven? Respectfully submitted not requiring Steven's answer. I am asking his Lieutenants. Please respond. Thank you.

Because you still believe Ashes is the best MMO in development.

A better question is - if you were happy to support the game (not Steven) a month ago, what has changed since then to make you want to change your mind?

If nothing has happened that would see you change your mind, what is the issue?

ClintHardwood

What's the point of this thread? It's not like Steven is posting videos daily, begging for your money. I'm sure the donations help plenty, but if you feel like you're forced to invest, that's a you problem.

JamesSunderland

I mean, you're already a "Phoenix Initiative, Hero of the People, Kickstarter" i would say you've already supported quite alot, supporting Steven/IS/Ashes further is only a matter of your own desire and faith on what you've already supported, i believe this is a question people can only answer for themselves.

CROW3

ClintHardwood wrote: »

What's the point of this thread?

Azherae

Because Intrepid hasn't said anything to make you stop yet.

unknownsystemerror

Azherae wrote: »

Because Intrepid hasn't said anything to make you stop yet.

They kicked him off Discord. That is why he posts tantrums here.

Noaani

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Because Intrepid hasn't said anything to make you stop yet.

They kicked him off Discord. That is why he posts tantrums here.

I have to ask... what did he do to get kicked off Discord?

MybroViajero

I see it this way, the Creation of AoC is like entering a new guild.
When one enters a new guild does not know that it will happen, if it will be good or it can be maintained, if the officers or leaders will be able to handle the administration of the guild, people, organize, dialogue, generate friendship, generate a true guild.
The creations of the strongest guilds, with greater synergy, with great friendship, with clear goals are made overnight? or should it be created little by little so that everything works correctly from the foundations to the guild's head?

The same way a new guild starts is how AOC started (obviously on a larger scale).
-AoC has a leader with enormous balls who dared to initiate a project that even he did not know if it would have positive results.
-Intrepid developers started as a few, have been learning, improving and growing as a team. I will not deny that there have been changes in the team but that happens when there is a long way to go.
-Intrepid team have dared to be different in their own way trying to give their community something they are proud of and little by little they are proving it.
*They fixed the image of the dwarves.
*They listened to the feedback from the races.
*They didn't want to rush anything like a certain new MMO.
*etc
-Each month they try to show (as far as they can show) the progress of AoC.
-They are communicative and honest even if they make mistakes as for example what happened last month with character customization.
-Year after year they improve their team, grow and try to improve the development of AoC, such as the move to UE5.

I really see effort, daring and perseverance, for that alone I would support them.
No self-respecting guild would give up at the first wipe, you make mistakes as many times as you have to make mistakes, learn, improve and keep fighting until you get it.

Caww

AoC should think about updating their refund policy so that early supporters who change their mind can back out. The last thing this game needs is the "Star Citizen" label, which I do not think this development is anything close to achieving given the scale of the SC graft machine.

Songcaller

There is no legal obligation to change a refund policy. Its not like it has been a trap and was hidden behind the forest dragon, in a nook near a stream. We have all made purchases with knowledge of the refund policy.

I do not fully understand the legal ramifications of kickstarter if the project fails to deliver on the initial premise. To be fair, i feel the two concepts are separate. However, we are still in development and soon Alpha 2 will be available.

I have not seen any recent updates except the Py'Rai Female. After my zabrak on galaxies I swore to never play a horned character again. I can't rely go against all my build theories, purchases and personal fantasy tastes in terms of wood elves. I have to accept the horn - unless we have options on the creation menu to remove horns.

Sometimes, I do think it would be nice to retrieve the investments for the game. However, I still strive to build a life where I can play the game - however little or long per month.

unknownsystemerror

@Neurath " unless we have options on the creation menu to remove horns."

You won't. Was one of the first things asked on the reveal and Intrepid has said that the horn/antler/head chopsticks are core to the lore of the species (all of the lore is being rewritten also) and while you will have various options as to size and such, you will not be able to remove them completely. "Recognizable silhouette for all races" was also given as a reason.

Songcaller

It will be a case of a helm. Though, of course all my pretty crowns and diadems are completely pointless now. I suppose it was always destined to happen because when you start making purchases with little more than concepts and promises, with the lore hidden and the main story hidden, then building around such a flimsy premise would see a catastrophic catastrophe.

To put it another way, like the building skins which I've collected to put together, subject to change and lack of real details at the point of purchase does make one want to refund. I certainly don't collect in recent months and I probably won't replace skins which aren't compatible with some current skins I own.

At the end of the day, I haven't bought anything I would miss or anything I'm really attached too.

Noaani

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

"Recognizable silhouette for all races" was also given as a reason.

As a design goal, I do have to say this is one of the most pointless I have ever seen.

Birthday

Noaani wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

"Recognizable silhouette for all races" was also given as a reason.

As a design goal, I do have to say this is one of the most pointless I have ever seen.

That's actually one of the most important things in visual design - to make your product stand out, essentially to be iconic.

In the most part that's what made Apple a successful company. They invested tons into the visual design of their products to make them stand out.

This translates well to any type of industry even anime. Very popular animes all have very iconic characters which even their silhouettes stand out.

This is because the main point of good visual design is to have your product stand out above the rest.

Noaani

Birthday wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

"Recognizable silhouette for all races" was also given as a reason.

As a design goal, I do have to say this is one of the most pointless I have ever seen.

That's actually one of the most important things in visual design - to make your product stand out, essentially to be iconic.

The product is Ashes, not the individual races.

Birthday

Noaani wrote: »

Birthday wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

"Recognizable silhouette for all races" was also given as a reason.

As a design goal, I do have to say this is one of the most pointless I have ever seen.

That's actually one of the most important things in visual design - to make your product stand out, essentially to be iconic.

The product is Ashes, not the individual races.

For the product to stand out it needs all of it's parts to be iconic.
Just like in anime the MC isn't the whole product. The whole product is the storyline, the MC, the art style etc. but it's the MC and his friends that are made to stand out by the design team.
Just like in Apple the product isn't a holding case for phones. The products are smart phones and computers. Apple's products stand out mostly thanks to the outer appearance which is again the job of the design team. In most other aspects like performance-wise they have actually been proven to be worse than it's competitors.

It's a good design choice to have races to stand out.

What you are talking about isn't design. It's UX. You want even greater customizability. That's UX. In terms of customizability we've been promised more customizability than most other MMOs give. You just want even more than that. I think that's unnecessary, we are already promised a ton of customization. Even for role play purposes it'll be enough to allow there to be only 1 horn or 1 horn and a damaged horn. Anything more than that is catering to childish demands imo because we already have tons of customizability and if you want your character to NOT have horns then choose one of the other many races available in the game. It's not like AoC has a small amount of chooseable races.

Noaani

Birthday wrote: »

What you are talking about isn't design. It's UX.

Don't assume things like this about people you do not know.

I don't give a shit about character customization. Not one little bit. Every one of my characters will be a default appearance - and I am fairly well on record on these forums for this opinion.

The reason it is a pointless design goal is because by the time players start equipping gear, the silhouette of races will fall by the wayside.

Why even have a design goal if that design goal ceases to be a thing the minute players get gear? Focus that attention elsewhere.

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