Healing

I was just wondering if i am the only one that wants healing to be restricted to the cleric primary or secondary? The reason i think this would be best is for the following.
1) if you give other classes heals it makes that class have an edge over other classes. One can burst a person down and blink away and heal and then come back.
2) WOW brought out what happens when u have to many classes that can heal. Made mages indestructible. rogues could stealth and heal them selves. Ret pallys could off heal. It made DPS classes way more tank to almost the point of not needing a tank. To be frank the amount of healing is what ruined that game.
3) u still have 16 classes that would have heals although the cleric secondary heals should be weaker. This is more than enough i feel.
Feel free to disagree. this is more of a debate.

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Dygz

Neurath wrote: »

It is not a class option because I can not be bothered to argue with you for 50 posts. Whether it will be an augment option from religious node remains to be seen.

You can't argue with me for 50 posts because I now refuse to continue discussions with you when you share your fantasy designs.
I'm talking about the actual Ashes game design and you are talking about the way you dream Ashes would be designed if you were an Ashes game dev.
So... there's nothing to argue about since we really aren't talking about the same things.

We will have to see if Religious Nodes offer augments that can heal.
Could be that Social Orgs offer augments that can heal.
If they do, that will mean that any class heal. Sure.
Just as any class can heal via healing potions.

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Of course, 'peer pressure' has nothing to do with actual design options, so it's hard to say what will happen. I do hope that Clerics aren't going to just 'be expected to have every available skill' or 'have every available heal/cleanse skill and therefore forego any damage skills' in order to be considered 'viable'.

I'd hope there's no "pick this skill or this skill". Yes, we'll be able to choose augments, but I'd assume we'll have all the skills the archetype should have and only then add stuff onto them. Let those augments add/change whatever effects they want, but make the core function the same.

At least that way any cleric can do their job, so there won't be some complete discrimination of "if you don't have this - you're not welcomed in any party", while the uniqueness and personality of each person remains shown through their choice of additional effects on the skillset.

Peer preassure will likely remain for "Only META builds are allowed in this party."
Equipped skills are intended to be limited to around 10, but we will likely have more than 20 that can be equipped. And META players will try to dictate which Active Skills must be equipped.
They will probably also dictate the META class and weapons and Weapon Skills.
Some will also be dictating Secondary Archetype and augments.

Songcaller

Dnd gm has options to change any plans. I do not back down to your requests to stifle the efforts of others.

Ultimately, Steven will give the outline, the devs will give the technical parameters, I will structure the classes and the artists will create the classes.

The same unchanged input from you will have little effect because in reality i have built classes within the weapons, classes within classes and classes within the lore.

Therefore I have no issues, worries or concerns.

I hope you like straight dps for your warlock.

Good luck,
Neurath.

Dygz

I have no concerns about your designs either, since you are not a game dev for Ashes.

Azherae

Neurath wrote: »

Dnd gm has options to change any plans. I do not back down to your requests to stifle the efforts of others.

Ultimately, Steven will give the outline, the devs will give the technical parameters, I will structure the classes and the artists will create the classes.

The same unchanged input from you will have little effect because in reality i have built classes within the weapons, classes within classes and classes within the lore.

Therefore I have no issues, worries or concerns.

I hope you like straight dps for your warlock.

Good luck,
Neurath.

I'm so lost right now... are you ... roleplaying as an Intrepid Dev?

Songcaller

I am a creative person who has to keep battling with all of you to progress my concepts. When they are your concepts you bunch together for security. I like to think my work speaks for itself.

Then again, you repeat your own shit and rarely hear my actual work lol.

Songcaller

P.s. my ideas thread had 78 views when I fell on my sword. We are now at 5.1k views. Unless you have both read my thread 5.1k times, I think you are both outnumbered.

Peace can not be bought.

Thanks,
Neurath.

Ludullu

Neurath wrote: »

I am a creative person who has to keep battling with all of you to progress my concepts. When they are your concepts you bunch together for security. I like to think my work speaks for itself.

Then again, you repeat your own shit and rarely hear my actual work lol.

I don't think the problem is with your creativity or ideas themselves. I only recently started reading the forums and several times now I thought you were pretending to be an Intrepid dev because of how you frame your ideas. And if I wasn't familiar with how internet and forums work I'd definitely think that you're a dev, which is a very dangerous thing because all your ideas have nothing to do with the game itself. So if someone completely new comes here, sees your posts and thinks that you're one of the devs sharing some design details, they'll get wrong impression of the game. That is the problem here. At least imo.

Songcaller

Well. In systems development you don't need a million essays on a facet. It is not a matter of more words, more success. It is a matter of quick quests from one in the know to those in the bunker.

I mean since Toast left the whole process has changed but then the old guard will always be outnumbered by the new guard.

If the new guard outnumber the old guard. The game dies, goes free to play or faces disconnect.

At the end of the day, if you do not like my input, do not copy things like my stipends and call them universal credit.

Thank you for your input,
Neurath.

Ludullu

I have 0 clue what you're talking about or how it relates to the things I've said, or if you're even responding to me, cause you don't like to quote people properly. So I guess, I'll just keep skimming your messages w/o really paying attention to them, because, from what I've seen so far, they're mainly just about your own made-up game and not really about Ashes.

Songcaller

The difference remains, I make builds and changes from my head. Everyone else sees shiny, flashey, particles and the artists lush work to make requests.

I know the engine capabilities and I do not need my concepts or my builds to be in glitter form to enable further progress.

Sometimes, if you want the perfect answer, don't look for the answer with clouded eyes.

arsnn

Dont feed the troll

Songcaller

For example: I build 100% accuracy. Certain people demanded 'rng'. I explained the difference between input rng and output rng. I blocked output rng. Next, a show of input rng. The same fucking idiots then decide oh look we can fuck the classes up even further, let's fucking ignore the reference and change the outcome.

Azherae

Neurath wrote: »

For example: I build 100% accuracy. Certain people demanded 'rng'. I explained the difference between input rng and output rng. I blocked output rng. Next, a show of input rng. The same fucking idiots then decide oh look we can fuck the classes up even further, let's fucking ignore the reference and change the outcome.

Neurath is like my 'Anger Translator' for design, except that we don't agree on any designs.

Azherae

arsnn wrote: »

Dont feed the troll

Normally I'd agree here, but Neurath also posts one post at a time, unprompted, in succession, sometimes enough to make one check to see '3 new posts? Was someone talking to Neurath this time?'

I personally would prefer if more people did, because then all the views on the topic would also correlate to new posts, discussions, or data.

That said, it hasn't worked terribly well so far, so pick your poison I guess.

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