Good Design or Massive Failure?

Last weekend, my alliance suffered a major defeat. Our long-time base was ransacked by invaders. I'm talking about Eve Online, but I think the discussion has relevance for any territory-control MMO.

The fight was not close. A large Alliance brought overwhelming numbers. So my question to the AoC forums is: Do one-sided fights reflect good or bad game design? I expect many node sieges in Ashes of Creation will be one-sided as well.

Pros

-The event was highly immersive! Eve's universe truly feels like a scary place full of cold-blooded killers.
-It rewarded cooperation and planning. The attackers won decisively and got to haul away loot.
-It helped keep the in-game economy active. Lots of value was destroyed.

Cons

-The fight was over before it started. All decisions that mattered (scheduling, coordination, etc) were made off the battlefield and probably outside of the game entirely.
-Individual combatants and their skills were not important.

What do you think? Are there benefits/downsides that I haven't considered? Are you looking forward to similar battles in Ashes of Creation, or are you dreading them?

Eve Killboard Link for Reference: https://zkillboard.com/kill/101257746/

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Mag7spy

Liniker wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

AoC should not provide tools for guild leaders to run a guild better. AoC should make it challenging for a leader.

Are you a guild leader / plan to be one?

anyone wanting it to be more difficult is a solo player that is worried about groups and knowing they cant beat them. Literally the opposite of what AoC wants with it being a social mmorpg.

George_Black

Mag7spy wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

AoC should not provide tools for guild leaders to run a guild better. AoC should make it challenging for a leader.

Are you a guild leader / plan to be one?

anyone wanting it to be more difficult is a solo player that is worried about groups and knowing they cant beat them. Literally the opposite of what AoC wants with it being a social mmorpg.

Ah yes. The inability to read and comprehent. That's ok. Ima not waste my time writting again what I will alrdy have. I guess Ill claim the title of solo player for myself.

Craiken

Mag7spy wrote: »

Free sieges would be terrible design and takes away any sign of competitive element away.

I hope they clarify how sieges will work in the game. If there are no balancing mechanics in place, large guilds should be able to squash nodes that can't field a competitive number of defenders. (This is both good and bad IMO.)

Of course, politics might turn the tide. If you can attract enough allies to help defend, then you might discourage the attack from proceeding at all. That's not necessarily a good thing for gameplay since no exciting fight would occur.

Mag7spy

Craiken wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Free sieges would be terrible design and takes away any sign of competitive element away.

I hope they clarify how sieges will work in the game. If there are no balancing mechanics in place, large guilds should be able to squash nodes that can't field a competitive number of defenders. (This is both good and bad IMO.)

Of course, politics might turn the tide. If you can attract enough allies to help defend, then you might discourage the attack from proceeding at all. That's not necessarily a good thing for gameplay since no exciting fight would occur.

They already have said based on the size you will need a certain number of players. If its a town / city that could just be a 50v50 fight. Also remember there can be multiple guilds as residents doesn't mean only one guild lives there.

So balanced is pretty easy based on the size of the node you need more or less players from 50-250.

Mag7spy

George_Black wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

AoC should not provide tools for guild leaders to run a guild better. AoC should make it challenging for a leader.

Are you a guild leader / plan to be one?

anyone wanting it to be more difficult is a solo player that is worried about groups and knowing they cant beat them. Literally the opposite of what AoC wants with it being a social mmorpg.

Ah yes. The inability to read and comprehent. That's ok. Ima not waste my time writting again what I will alrdy have. I guess Ill claim the title of solo player for myself.

I can read just find, I'm 100% fine with making things more difficult for solo players IN the form of tons of group content in the game where life is easier if you are in a group. When you play league and Dota you are playing 5v5 matches you can't que solo in a 1v5

.

Seeing groups form small 10 man guilds or super guilds is all better and more fun content for me, running solo unless you are god tier (which i hope some of those pop up that are also very social) doesn't add overall content to a mmorpg.

I hear BDO is a good single player mmorpg where you don't need to talk to anyone and run around circles for 1000's of hours killing mobs alone forever.

Night Wings

Just leaving this here for more in depth answers or just more information

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/PvP

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Castle_sieges

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Node_sieges

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_flagging

NOTE

Theses 2 information down below is in the "Castle Sieges" link I would imagine its for all sieges though tbh don't quote me on it....

Sieges occur once a month within a server prime-time window.[3][4][5] (Video referring to this with time stamp down below)

The minimum goal is for 250x250 players to be on a single battlefield. It is hoped that this can be increased to 500x500 over time.

https://youtu.be/e7pDuuoRFeA?t=1860

Dolyem

I believe this will somewhat be balanced by forcing guilds to choose between buffs and having more people through guild perks. While I am sure people will find ways to exploit this system, it seems like they at least want to attempt to maintain a balance between small guilds fighting larger ones.

George_Black

Mag7spy wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

AoC should not provide tools for guild leaders to run a guild better. AoC should make it challenging for a leader.

Are you a guild leader / plan to be one?

anyone wanting it to be more difficult is a solo player that is worried about groups and knowing they cant beat them. Literally the opposite of what AoC wants with it being a social mmorpg.

Ah yes. The inability to read and comprehent. That's ok. Ima not waste my time writting again what I will alrdy have. I guess Ill claim the title of solo player for myself.

I can read just find, I'm 100% fine with making things more difficult for solo players IN the form of tons of group content in the game where life is easier if you are in a group. When you play league and Dota you are playing 5v5 matches you can't que solo in a 1v5 .

Seeing groups form small 10 man guilds or super guilds is all better and more fun content for me, running solo unless you are god tier (which i hope some of those pop up that are also very social) doesn't add overall content to a mmorpg.

I hear BDO is a good single player mmorpg where you don't need to talk to anyone and run around circles for 1000's of hours killing mobs alone forever.

Am I still the solo player?

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