We need PVE servers here's why

No we dont need PVE servers, get baited.

This is a pvx game, pvp and pve are the core of this game, every system is designed with pvp/pve in mind.
You cant avoid pvp in this game.

Most people think they will be killed all the time by players. That wont happen there are system to prevent constant PK unlike vanilla wow.

Will you get killed in the Open World sometimes? Yes
Will you get ganked in open world dungeons and raids sometimes? Yes
Will you have the freedom to do whatever you want in game? BIG YES

There are risks and rewards in this game. If Frodo went to Mordor in a PVE server would that be fun?NO

This is not about being casual or hardcore, its about freedom. You can PVE only in this game, but expect to be forced into pvp sometimes. But dont come here and ask for PVE servers or a way to avoid pvp when pvp is a core system.

Alpha 2 is meant to test stuff, the PK system will be tested and balanced, so dont ask for reworks or to remove it without it being tested. This is a pvx game stop trying to make it a pve only game please.

Its like going to McDonalds and ask for Pizza because you dont like hamburgers, makes no sense.

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Liniker

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

You would not be there for me to PK

SirChancelot

Liniker wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

You would not be there for me to PK

I'm sorry you have to go find someone who actually PvPs instead?
Isn't that why everyone wants a PVP game? To actually have a challenge? If you just want to stomp bots just do PvE... 😆

mcstackerson

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

Only reason i argue against it is most people's experience with open pvp comes from games like wow where it servered no purpose and was more of a little things the devs allowed then part of the game. They will choose a server based off that experience in another game instead of understanding it's role in the game or how the system will change their overall experience.

The flagging system is an intended part of the game and i'd rather people experience before we make make servers that shift away from the games original design.

Liniker

SirChancelot wrote: »

I'm sorry you have to go find someone who actually PvPs instead?
Isn't that why everyone wants a PVP game? To actually have a challenge? If you just want to stomp bots just do PvE... 😆

Nah, I just like to PK people that come to a game and ask the devs to change their whole game design just to cater to their personal preferences

Theres no PvP or PvE servers, Ashes is a PvX game and that's how all the systems are planned around, if you remove PvP the game is completely broken - Unless you want them to take 2 extra years and delay the launch, to redo the whole game so they can have PvE servers with completely different systems and rules, which is also a ridiculous request.

Theres plenty of PvE games out there

Ludullu

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

The main problem I see is that most people will just go to pve servers just because they're used to doing so. And with most people playing on pve servers you'll barely have anyone on pvp ones. Even if we forget about how most mechanics in the game wouldn't work properly on a pve server, the game needs population to be the best itself it can be. And with pve servers you're dooming all the pvp ones to just die out.

Dygz

If it didn't detract from development time, I would love to see one "PvE Server" just to see what it looks like.
Even just to prove to people that it won't work.

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

The main problem I see is that most people will just go to pve servers just because they're used to doing so. And with most people playing on pve servers you'll barely have anyone on pvp ones. Even if we forget about how most mechanics in the game wouldn't work properly on a pve server, the game needs population to be the best itself it can be. And with pve servers you're dooming all the pvp ones to just die out.

If Corruption works as intended, there should still be plenty of folk on PvX servers.

(And, I guess, if we were going to have one "PvE Server" we should also have one No Corruption Server)

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

If Corruption works as intended, there should still be plenty of folk on PvX servers.

(And, I guess, if we were going to have one "PvE Server" we should also have one No Corruption Server)

I'd assume PvE server would mean no corruption or any owpvp flagging at all.

Dygz

Maybe both would be no flagging and no Corruption? Technically?

Mag7spy

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

Game isn't just designed for pve, and players with the wrong perception of pvp with be more inclined to do pve without giving things a thought or chance. If something is designed a certain way and you try to split the pvp and pve there will be complains from either side "Need more pve stuff, Need more pvp stuff and the pve changes are ruining the pvp elements."

If the game has a certain focus its better for people to be introduced into it fairly and understand the fun and social elements within having both the pve and pvp together. Which as the game is designed for it is a lot more heathy to be growing on both fronts then trying to split people up. For the people that say they won't play because of pvp and they will get ganked 24/7 and most likely people that wouldn't play to begin with because what they are saying is not realistic of general pvp. There is always some kind of limit that prevents mass killing, so it won't be like old games like shadowbane and im sure the world will be big enough as well.

Dygz

LMAO
It is not a wrong perception of PvP.
I don't think anyone is afraid of getting ganked 24/7.

We already have people asking for more PvE stuff and people asking for more PvP stuff.>
That's going to happen regardless of server population.

We'll have to test Corruption first to judge whether it's healthy to have both populations on the same servers in Ashes or toxic.

Ferryman

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

I am not sure what you mean by PvE servers... No PvP at all or consensual PvP only? Anyway, it is hard to see that PvP aspect would be removed entirely even in these theoretical PvE servers because planned dynamic events such sieges and caravans. However, the world would work fine with consensual PvP which is more realistic wish. Anyhow, IF a such PvE server would be implemented then I would like to see a hardcore PvP server as well.

Actually, this is exactly what Fractured is working on atm. They will have three different planets, PvE, PvX and PvP to cater three different playstyles. However, these planets are not own servers and instead part of the same game world. It is interesting to follow how well that goes. Surprise surprise, it is the PvX planet which rules have changed several times and causes constant debate.

SirChancelot

Ferryman wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

I am not sure what you mean by PvE servers... No PvP at all or consensual PvP only? Anyway, it is hard to see that PvP aspect would be removed entirely even in these theoretical PvE servers because planned dynamic events such sieges and caravans. However, the world would work fine with consensual PvP which is more realistic wish. Anyhow, IF a such PvE server would be implemented then I would like to see a hardcore PvP server as well.

Actually, this is exactly what Fractured is working on atm. They will have three different planets, PvE, PvX and PvP to cater three different playstyles. However, these planets are not own servers and instead part of the same game world. It is interesting to follow how well that goes. Surprise surprise, it is the PvX planet which rules have changed several times and causes constant debate.

Consensual PvP only.
Everyone keeps saying the game is designed for PvX and I get that. You can have the mandatory PVP associated with the things that would require it such as node sieges and the PVP zone around caravans, etc. Without having the full open world flagging. Corruption can still be a thing, it could come into play if someone goes on an NPC killing spree or something.

If ashes launches and has 20 servers to choose from and 2-4 are for the people that don't care for PvP but want to play the game, then let them play there. Why should the other 80% of players care how that 20% portion wants to play?

In my opinion saying it shouldn't be there is similar to me saying non combat pets are dumb, and just a waste, and not how the game should be played.... 80% of the population doesn't walk around with them anyways, only 20% collect and enjoy them, but I don't want them to enjoy themselves over there...

And to the people saying stuff like
"You are selfish for not willing to offer a bit of fun to PvP-ers." and "You would not be there for me to PK". Those are the exact reasons some people want the PvE servers, to get away from players that act like that.

mcstackerson wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

Only reason i argue against it is most people's experience with open pvp comes from games like wow where it servered no purpose and was more of a little things the devs allowed then part of the game. They will choose a server based off that experience in another game instead of understanding it's role in the game or how the system will change their overall experience.

The flagging system is an intended part of the game and i'd rather people experience before we make make servers that shift away from the games original design.

Now that argument I completely understand. People have a bad taste in their mouth and just want to stay away from it could be missing out. But still that is on them. And how does giving a player that choice effect you? It's not changing the PvX design.
Giving them a PvE server wouldn't change your experience on the true PvX server. So why care what they do?

George_Black

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

You mean waste studio resources for pve servers? Why.. then let's waste resources for rp servers. And let's waste resources for survival pvp servers. And let's waste resources for faction pvp servers. And let's waste resources for no cosmetic servers. And let's waste resoyrces for no pve no pvp but only crafting servers.

It affects ppl. It affects the quality of the product and customer experience.

Dygz

Probably.

SirChancelot

George_Black wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

You mean waste studio resources for pve servers? Why.. then let's waste resources for rp servers. And let's waste resources for survival pvp servers. And let's waste resources for faction pvp servers. And let's waste resources for no cosmetic servers. And let's waste resoyrces for no pve no pvp but only crafting servers.

It affects ppl. It affects the quality of the product and customer experience.

Lol
Nobody said any of that... But sure...

If they're doing 20 servers, they're doing 20 servers. Dedicating a few to a different group isn't going to make those servers drain resources from the others. Thinking so is just silly.

Honestly, if anything it would make the quality of player on the PvX servers more pure and intune with the game... Sounds like an improvement to customer experience to me.

George_Black

SirChancelot wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

You mean waste studio resources for pve servers? Why.. then let's waste resources for rp servers. And let's waste resources for survival pvp servers. And let's waste resources for faction pvp servers. And let's waste resources for no cosmetic servers. And let's waste resoyrces for no pve no pvp but only crafting servers.

It affects ppl. It affects the quality of the product and customer experience.

Lol
Nobody said any of that... But sure...

If they're doing 20 servers, they're doing 20 servers. Dedicating a few to a different group isn't going to make those servers drain resources from the others. Thinking so is just silly.

Honestly, if anything it would make the quality of player on the PvX servers more pure and intune with the game... Sounds like an improvement to customer experience to me.

Things cost money. Not just words. The "pvx servers" will be just fine, even if pve players bemoan "griefing griefing".
PvE servers wont improve anything. Just drain money. You forget the need to recode concepts to facilitate the lack of node wars.

SirChancelot

George_Black wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Am I there only one that doesn't think it matters if they do have PvE servers?

Honestly how would that effect the people on the PvP servers at all?

You mean waste studio resources for pve servers? Why.. then let's waste resources for rp servers. And let's waste resources for survival pvp servers. And let's waste resources for faction pvp servers. And let's waste resources for no cosmetic servers. And let's waste resoyrces for no pve no pvp but only crafting servers.

It affects ppl. It affects the quality of the product and customer experience.

Lol
Nobody said any of that... But sure...

If they're doing 20 servers, they're doing 20 servers. Dedicating a few to a different group isn't going to make those servers drain resources from the others. Thinking so is just silly.

Honestly, if anything it would make the quality of player on the PvX servers more pure and intune with the game... Sounds like an improvement to customer experience to me.

Things cost money. Not just words. The "pvx servers" will be just fine, even if pve players bemoan "griefing griefing".
PvE servers wont improve anything. Just drain money. You forget the need to recode concepts to facilitate the lack of node wars.

No, I didn't forget. If you read my posts you would have known that I even mentioned node sieges specifically.
Again if they're going to run 20 servers for a million players, and they dedicated 2 of those servers to be different, that doesn't cost anymore upkeep... They're still maintaining 20 servers... (Made up numbers for example purposes)

And if you're on a PvX server you won't hear them bemoaning and griefing... What do you have to be so mad about? Still sounds like a win win...

George_Black

I dont mind the bemoaning.

SirChancelot

George_Black wrote: »

I dont mind the bemoaning.

Then why do you mind them wanting to go over in the corner and play the way they want to?
Who cares?

I dabbled in an RP guild once out of curiosity. It wasn't for me, but some people really enjoy that aspect of the game. If someone said one of the 20 ashes servers should be designated as the hardcore RP server I wouldn't be mad.
I wouldn't play on that server, but wouldn't be out here saying they shouldn't have an RP server to play on.

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