Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Again, Tab Target still has a miss chance. Tab means your target is locked onto - that's not a guaranteed hit. So, while the targeting is guaranteed in a way that Action Combat is not - actual hit is not more guaranteed than Action Combat. If anything, sometimes it's easier to hit someone in action combat than in tab, cause evasive builds can get quite absurd. When people say evasion builds matter more in tab and you hit more in action but will never look at combat in other games...
NiKr wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Again, Tab Target still has a miss chance. Tab means your target is locked onto - that's not a guaranteed hit. So, while the targeting is guaranteed in a way that Action Combat is not - actual hit is not more guaranteed than Action Combat. If anything, sometimes it's easier to hit someone in action combat than in tab, cause evasive builds can get quite absurd.
Dygz wrote: » Again, Tab Target still has a miss chance. Tab means your target is locked onto - that's not a guaranteed hit. So, while the targeting is guaranteed in a way that Action Combat is not - actual hit is not more guaranteed than Action Combat.
Mag7spy wrote: » What do people want from mmorpg, build customization and stats. All types of players enjoy that kind of stuff
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Lol, You are still making arguments about this when you don't know anything about BDO and don't care about the mechanics in the game. Also conveniently forgets saying action combat shouldn't get buffs vrs tab. Imagine saying BDO is shit because you are actually "Shit" at the game and don't understand it c: If you are going to proclaim on these forums that you think BDO is a good game, you are going to find yourself feeling somewhat lonely. The general consensus around here is that the game has a few good points, but is over all a shit game. The fact that my opinion happens to line up with the general consensus here is just convenient for me, I guess. You are right that I don't care about the mechanics in the game, but wrong in saying that I don't know anything about them. Keep in mind - and I have tried in vain to point this out to you already - you are making arguments about EQ2 here as well. You can't say positioning in BDO is more important than it is in EQ2 without talking about EQ2's systems and gameplay. So, once again, if you want to say that I am making arguments about BDO when I don't know anything about them and don't care, then why is it you are making the same arguments about EQ2 when you have literally never even played the game? I mean, you are having a go at me for doing something I am not actually doing, but that you are doing in relation to EQ2. Once again, I have played BDO long enough to have an opinion on the game - and this is coming from someone that knows enough about games to not have an opinion on them until you have played their top end content that is released two to three years after launch (usually the best content an MMO will have). You have not played BDO long enough to know enough about the game again you disregard major facts of gameplay and I needed to explain it to you. If you are a pve player you haven't played BDO's combat stop lying to save face. No, you have just assumed you needed to explain aspects of BDO to me since I disagreed with you. That is your only justification for it. Fun fact, I have played around 45 MMO's all up. BDO is the game I have spent the fourth most time in. Truth is, I probably know the game better than you, but you aren't interested in that. I have a different opinion on the game to you, and so you think that means I haven't played the game enough - as opposed to the truth which is that I have simply played better games and so saw BDO's bullshit for what it is.
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Lol, You are still making arguments about this when you don't know anything about BDO and don't care about the mechanics in the game. Also conveniently forgets saying action combat shouldn't get buffs vrs tab. Imagine saying BDO is shit because you are actually "Shit" at the game and don't understand it c: If you are going to proclaim on these forums that you think BDO is a good game, you are going to find yourself feeling somewhat lonely. The general consensus around here is that the game has a few good points, but is over all a shit game. The fact that my opinion happens to line up with the general consensus here is just convenient for me, I guess. You are right that I don't care about the mechanics in the game, but wrong in saying that I don't know anything about them. Keep in mind - and I have tried in vain to point this out to you already - you are making arguments about EQ2 here as well. You can't say positioning in BDO is more important than it is in EQ2 without talking about EQ2's systems and gameplay. So, once again, if you want to say that I am making arguments about BDO when I don't know anything about them and don't care, then why is it you are making the same arguments about EQ2 when you have literally never even played the game? I mean, you are having a go at me for doing something I am not actually doing, but that you are doing in relation to EQ2. Once again, I have played BDO long enough to have an opinion on the game - and this is coming from someone that knows enough about games to not have an opinion on them until you have played their top end content that is released two to three years after launch (usually the best content an MMO will have). You have not played BDO long enough to know enough about the game again you disregard major facts of gameplay and I needed to explain it to you. If you are a pve player you haven't played BDO's combat stop lying to save face.
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Lol, You are still making arguments about this when you don't know anything about BDO and don't care about the mechanics in the game. Also conveniently forgets saying action combat shouldn't get buffs vrs tab. Imagine saying BDO is shit because you are actually "Shit" at the game and don't understand it c: If you are going to proclaim on these forums that you think BDO is a good game, you are going to find yourself feeling somewhat lonely. The general consensus around here is that the game has a few good points, but is over all a shit game. The fact that my opinion happens to line up with the general consensus here is just convenient for me, I guess. You are right that I don't care about the mechanics in the game, but wrong in saying that I don't know anything about them. Keep in mind - and I have tried in vain to point this out to you already - you are making arguments about EQ2 here as well. You can't say positioning in BDO is more important than it is in EQ2 without talking about EQ2's systems and gameplay. So, once again, if you want to say that I am making arguments about BDO when I don't know anything about them and don't care, then why is it you are making the same arguments about EQ2 when you have literally never even played the game? I mean, you are having a go at me for doing something I am not actually doing, but that you are doing in relation to EQ2. Once again, I have played BDO long enough to have an opinion on the game - and this is coming from someone that knows enough about games to not have an opinion on them until you have played their top end content that is released two to three years after launch (usually the best content an MMO will have).
Mag7spy wrote: » Lol, You are still making arguments about this when you don't know anything about BDO and don't care about the mechanics in the game. Also conveniently forgets saying action combat shouldn't get buffs vrs tab. Imagine saying BDO is shit because you are actually "Shit" at the game and don't understand it c:
Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs.
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it.
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart....
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart.... I mean, I am only repeating what I have been saying on these forums for years. BDO is a shit game, and I will not install it on my computer. It would seem you are the one that is trying to save face (you are the one that is in a position where this may be desired) by saying "hey, you, person that has made me look like a fool for days now, how about you go and do a thing you have said you won't ever do in order to prove you are... " I don't know, what ever it is you think this would prove. Again, you are literarily diluted.
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart.... I mean, I am only repeating what I have been saying on these forums for years. BDO is a shit game, and I will not install it on my computer. It would seem you are the one that is trying to save face (you are the one that is in a position where this may be desired) by saying "hey, you, person that has made me look like a fool for days now, how about you go and do a thing you have said you won't ever do in order to prove you are... " I don't know, what ever it is you think this would prove. Again, you are literarily diluted. Funny you are looking pretty foolish for me having some of the worst takes people would not agree with. First they would be like why would i play that "shit" game EQ2 it looks bad and boring. Second you make some really unexperienced takes as its clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You haven't proved a single thing, can't and it doesn't exist, all you can do is whine there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game. But you can't show a single piece of evidence, talk about mechanics, show any kind of pvp except cry about the pvp that is shown. honestly you have to be stupid if you think just being disrespectful counts as evidence, but here we are lmao. Also your opinion is literarily diluted with bias yes i agree, you don't care about making a better game you care about having a next EQ. Guess it must have been fun to get carried in eq, you aren't anything special after all.
Mag7spy wrote: » there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart.... I mean, I am only repeating what I have been saying on these forums for years. BDO is a shit game, and I will not install it on my computer. It would seem you are the one that is trying to save face (you are the one that is in a position where this may be desired) by saying "hey, you, person that has made me look like a fool for days now, how about you go and do a thing you have said you won't ever do in order to prove you are... " I don't know, what ever it is you think this would prove. Again, you are literarily diluted. Funny you are looking pretty foolish for me having some of the worst takes people would not agree with. First they would be like why would i play that "shit" game EQ2 it looks bad and boring. Second you make some really unexperienced takes as its clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You haven't proved a single thing, can't and it doesn't exist, all you can do is whine there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game. But you can't show a single piece of evidence, talk about mechanics, show any kind of pvp except cry about the pvp that is shown. honestly you have to be stupid if you think just being disrespectful counts as evidence, but here we are lmao. Also your opinion is literarily diluted with bias yes i agree, you don't care about making a better game you care about having a next EQ. Guess it must have been fun to get carried in eq, you aren't anything special after all. You are making up people in your head again. I can point this out to you by reminding you that as soon as a bunch of people appear to say that you are wrong, that they don't agree with you, etc, you feel 'like people are using numbers to gang up on you'. This is not surprising, but do remember that your mental state may suffer if you 'convince yourself you have broad support' and then realize that you do not.
Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart.... I mean, I am only repeating what I have been saying on these forums for years. BDO is a shit game, and I will not install it on my computer. It would seem you are the one that is trying to save face (you are the one that is in a position where this may be desired) by saying "hey, you, person that has made me look like a fool for days now, how about you go and do a thing you have said you won't ever do in order to prove you are... " I don't know, what ever it is you think this would prove. Again, you are literarily diluted. Funny you are looking pretty foolish for me having some of the worst takes people would not agree with. First they would be like why would i play that "shit" game EQ2 it looks bad and boring. Second you make some really unexperienced takes as its clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You haven't proved a single thing, can't and it doesn't exist, all you can do is whine there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game. But you can't show a single piece of evidence, talk about mechanics, show any kind of pvp except cry about the pvp that is shown. honestly you have to be stupid if you think just being disrespectful counts as evidence, but here we are lmao. Also your opinion is literarily diluted with bias yes i agree, you don't care about making a better game you care about having a next EQ. Guess it must have been fun to get carried in eq, you aren't anything special after all. You are making up people in your head again. I can point this out to you by reminding you that as soon as a bunch of people appear to say that you are wrong, that they don't agree with you, etc, you feel 'like people are using numbers to gang up on you'. This is not surprising, but do remember that your mental state may suffer if you 'convince yourself you have broad support' and then realize that you do not. When I say people I do not mean echo chamber with a tiny group of active people agree with each other on a forum to back their desire as they are similar and they want to gatekeep. There are plenty of people on the forum that would disagree and have about tab combat vs. action combat. There are even more people that are not on the forum or do not comment as well. And as more things pick up on the forum more people will come and have their own views not akin to yours or mine. You are also someone that has extremely bad takes, and I've seen enough that you also take a much more hostile / thinking you can't be wrong stance.
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game. I mean, this is not something I have ever said. Again with you not being able to actually comprehend. I'm going to ask it again, and I am serious, is English your second or third language? Like, no problems if it is, you comprehend it well enough. You just honestly don't seem to comprehend it well enough to be a native speaker. Just the simple number of times you have made claims as to what others have said in the past, and been so far off what they said, simply by getting one or two words wrong. A native speaker should know that an individual word wrong can change the meaning of something greatly.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart.... I mean, I am only repeating what I have been saying on these forums for years. BDO is a shit game, and I will not install it on my computer. It would seem you are the one that is trying to save face (you are the one that is in a position where this may be desired) by saying "hey, you, person that has made me look like a fool for days now, how about you go and do a thing you have said you won't ever do in order to prove you are... " I don't know, what ever it is you think this would prove. Again, you are literarily diluted. Funny you are looking pretty foolish for me having some of the worst takes people would not agree with. First they would be like why would i play that "shit" game EQ2 it looks bad and boring. Second you make some really unexperienced takes as its clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You haven't proved a single thing, can't and it doesn't exist, all you can do is whine there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game. But you can't show a single piece of evidence, talk about mechanics, show any kind of pvp except cry about the pvp that is shown. honestly you have to be stupid if you think just being disrespectful counts as evidence, but here we are lmao. Also your opinion is literarily diluted with bias yes i agree, you don't care about making a better game you care about having a next EQ. Guess it must have been fun to get carried in eq, you aren't anything special after all. You are making up people in your head again. I can point this out to you by reminding you that as soon as a bunch of people appear to say that you are wrong, that they don't agree with you, etc, you feel 'like people are using numbers to gang up on you'. This is not surprising, but do remember that your mental state may suffer if you 'convince yourself you have broad support' and then realize that you do not. When I say people I do not mean echo chamber with a tiny group of active people agree with each other on a forum to back their desire as they are similar and they want to gatekeep. There are plenty of people on the forum that would disagree and have about tab combat vs. action combat. There are even more people that are not on the forum or do not comment as well. And as more things pick up on the forum more people will come and have their own views not akin to yours or mine. You are also someone that has extremely bad takes, and I've seen enough that you also take a much more hostile / thinking you can't be wrong stance. That's fine. My point is to be careful. I am now much more sympathetic to the type of problem you seem to have/display, and I have been taught that it can sometimes help to have someone check/point it out to you while it's happening in case this allows you to dial it back, particularly doing so while saving face. As long as you can achieve this, that was the only reason for my comment. I'll only clarify one thing to you, I don't know if it will change how you perceive something. Would you prefer to just talk to 'one person out of the group you consider an echo chamber', or would you prefer to have to deal with all of them at all times? I would expect it to be tiresome, even for you, to have to respond to the number of posts if 'everyone in a group who thought you were wrong ended up talking'. Are you moreso the "bring them all on, I'll take all comers" style?
Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart.... I mean, I am only repeating what I have been saying on these forums for years. BDO is a shit game, and I will not install it on my computer. It would seem you are the one that is trying to save face (you are the one that is in a position where this may be desired) by saying "hey, you, person that has made me look like a fool for days now, how about you go and do a thing you have said you won't ever do in order to prove you are... " I don't know, what ever it is you think this would prove. Again, you are literarily diluted. Funny you are looking pretty foolish for me having some of the worst takes people would not agree with. First they would be like why would i play that "shit" game EQ2 it looks bad and boring. Second you make some really unexperienced takes as its clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You haven't proved a single thing, can't and it doesn't exist, all you can do is whine there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game. But you can't show a single piece of evidence, talk about mechanics, show any kind of pvp except cry about the pvp that is shown. honestly you have to be stupid if you think just being disrespectful counts as evidence, but here we are lmao. Also your opinion is literarily diluted with bias yes i agree, you don't care about making a better game you care about having a next EQ. Guess it must have been fun to get carried in eq, you aren't anything special after all. You are making up people in your head again. I can point this out to you by reminding you that as soon as a bunch of people appear to say that you are wrong, that they don't agree with you, etc, you feel 'like people are using numbers to gang up on you'. This is not surprising, but do remember that your mental state may suffer if you 'convince yourself you have broad support' and then realize that you do not. When I say people I do not mean echo chamber with a tiny group of active people agree with each other on a forum to back their desire as they are similar and they want to gatekeep. There are plenty of people on the forum that would disagree and have about tab combat vs. action combat. There are even more people that are not on the forum or do not comment as well. And as more things pick up on the forum more people will come and have their own views not akin to yours or mine. You are also someone that has extremely bad takes, and I've seen enough that you also take a much more hostile / thinking you can't be wrong stance. That's fine. My point is to be careful. I am now much more sympathetic to the type of problem you seem to have/display, and I have been taught that it can sometimes help to have someone check/point it out to you while it's happening in case this allows you to dial it back, particularly doing so while saving face. As long as you can achieve this, that was the only reason for my comment. I'll only clarify one thing to you, I don't know if it will change how you perceive something. Would you prefer to just talk to 'one person out of the group you consider an echo chamber', or would you prefer to have to deal with all of them at all times? I would expect it to be tiresome, even for you, to have to respond to the number of posts if 'everyone in a group who thought you were wrong ended up talking'. Are you moreso the "bring them all on, I'll take all comers" style? If I consider a small group of people a echo chamber in a forum of many other people and it is still growing. The most important thing to do is to challenge and if there are reasonable people you will have a good discussion that won't be toxic. If they are unreasonable they will band together, agree on points even if they don't understand, be toxic and be stubborn together while ignoring any points against their beliefs or what they want. If its the later it doesn't really matter you can be toxic that is fine and have more hostile takes against ideas rather then listening to what people say and having a more open minded discussion. But in time a very small group is just a minor voice compared to the many other people that will comment. Only at that point will you understand, what you or I want isn't what matters it is what the majority of people want that are playing and paying for the game.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart.... I mean, I am only repeating what I have been saying on these forums for years. BDO is a shit game, and I will not install it on my computer. It would seem you are the one that is trying to save face (you are the one that is in a position where this may be desired) by saying "hey, you, person that has made me look like a fool for days now, how about you go and do a thing you have said you won't ever do in order to prove you are... " I don't know, what ever it is you think this would prove. Again, you are literarily diluted. Funny you are looking pretty foolish for me having some of the worst takes people would not agree with. First they would be like why would i play that "shit" game EQ2 it looks bad and boring. Second you make some really unexperienced takes as its clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You haven't proved a single thing, can't and it doesn't exist, all you can do is whine there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game. But you can't show a single piece of evidence, talk about mechanics, show any kind of pvp except cry about the pvp that is shown. honestly you have to be stupid if you think just being disrespectful counts as evidence, but here we are lmao. Also your opinion is literarily diluted with bias yes i agree, you don't care about making a better game you care about having a next EQ. Guess it must have been fun to get carried in eq, you aren't anything special after all. You are making up people in your head again. I can point this out to you by reminding you that as soon as a bunch of people appear to say that you are wrong, that they don't agree with you, etc, you feel 'like people are using numbers to gang up on you'. This is not surprising, but do remember that your mental state may suffer if you 'convince yourself you have broad support' and then realize that you do not. When I say people I do not mean echo chamber with a tiny group of active people agree with each other on a forum to back their desire as they are similar and they want to gatekeep. There are plenty of people on the forum that would disagree and have about tab combat vs. action combat. There are even more people that are not on the forum or do not comment as well. And as more things pick up on the forum more people will come and have their own views not akin to yours or mine. You are also someone that has extremely bad takes, and I've seen enough that you also take a much more hostile / thinking you can't be wrong stance. That's fine. My point is to be careful. I am now much more sympathetic to the type of problem you seem to have/display, and I have been taught that it can sometimes help to have someone check/point it out to you while it's happening in case this allows you to dial it back, particularly doing so while saving face. As long as you can achieve this, that was the only reason for my comment. I'll only clarify one thing to you, I don't know if it will change how you perceive something. Would you prefer to just talk to 'one person out of the group you consider an echo chamber', or would you prefer to have to deal with all of them at all times? I would expect it to be tiresome, even for you, to have to respond to the number of posts if 'everyone in a group who thought you were wrong ended up talking'. Are you moreso the "bring them all on, I'll take all comers" style? If I consider a small group of people a echo chamber in a forum of many other people and it is still growing. The most important thing to do is to challenge and if there are reasonable people you will have a good discussion that won't be toxic. If they are unreasonable they will band together, agree on points even if they don't understand, be toxic and be stubborn together while ignoring any points against their beliefs or what they want. If its the later it doesn't really matter you can be toxic that is fine and have more hostile takes against ideas rather then listening to what people say and having a more open minded discussion. But in time a very small group is just a minor voice compared to the many other people that will comment. Only at that point will you understand, what you or I want isn't what matters it is what the majority of people want that are playing and paying for the game. I'll try again. My reason for engaging you, ever, is that I'm the 'nice' one who will empathize with you and put up with your nonsense, out of my group. If I am doing it, others are fine with leaving it to me instead of coming to call you out themselves. It is my role to be the one talking. Do you prefer to deal with just me, or all of them? I would expect that since you have to actually write a post of that style and length most of the time, it would become exhausting.
Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Jump on the game lets see you pvp some then we can see what is bs. As I've said to you many times, BDO is shit. I'm not going to contaminate my SSD by installing it. Trying to save face by running, smart.... I mean, I am only repeating what I have been saying on these forums for years. BDO is a shit game, and I will not install it on my computer. It would seem you are the one that is trying to save face (you are the one that is in a position where this may be desired) by saying "hey, you, person that has made me look like a fool for days now, how about you go and do a thing you have said you won't ever do in order to prove you are... " I don't know, what ever it is you think this would prove. Again, you are literarily diluted. Funny you are looking pretty foolish for me having some of the worst takes people would not agree with. First they would be like why would i play that "shit" game EQ2 it looks bad and boring. Second you make some really unexperienced takes as its clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You haven't proved a single thing, can't and it doesn't exist, all you can do is whine there is 700 dungeons in eq 2 that are all unique and hard and its a fun game. But you can't show a single piece of evidence, talk about mechanics, show any kind of pvp except cry about the pvp that is shown. honestly you have to be stupid if you think just being disrespectful counts as evidence, but here we are lmao. Also your opinion is literarily diluted with bias yes i agree, you don't care about making a better game you care about having a next EQ. Guess it must have been fun to get carried in eq, you aren't anything special after all. You are making up people in your head again. I can point this out to you by reminding you that as soon as a bunch of people appear to say that you are wrong, that they don't agree with you, etc, you feel 'like people are using numbers to gang up on you'. This is not surprising, but do remember that your mental state may suffer if you 'convince yourself you have broad support' and then realize that you do not. When I say people I do not mean echo chamber with a tiny group of active people agree with each other on a forum to back their desire as they are similar and they want to gatekeep. There are plenty of people on the forum that would disagree and have about tab combat vs. action combat. There are even more people that are not on the forum or do not comment as well. And as more things pick up on the forum more people will come and have their own views not akin to yours or mine. You are also someone that has extremely bad takes, and I've seen enough that you also take a much more hostile / thinking you can't be wrong stance. That's fine. My point is to be careful. I am now much more sympathetic to the type of problem you seem to have/display, and I have been taught that it can sometimes help to have someone check/point it out to you while it's happening in case this allows you to dial it back, particularly doing so while saving face. As long as you can achieve this, that was the only reason for my comment. I'll only clarify one thing to you, I don't know if it will change how you perceive something. Would you prefer to just talk to 'one person out of the group you consider an echo chamber', or would you prefer to have to deal with all of them at all times? I would expect it to be tiresome, even for you, to have to respond to the number of posts if 'everyone in a group who thought you were wrong ended up talking'. Are you moreso the "bring them all on, I'll take all comers" style? If I consider a small group of people a echo chamber in a forum of many other people and it is still growing. The most important thing to do is to challenge and if there are reasonable people you will have a good discussion that won't be toxic. If they are unreasonable they will band together, agree on points even if they don't understand, be toxic and be stubborn together while ignoring any points against their beliefs or what they want. If its the later it doesn't really matter you can be toxic that is fine and have more hostile takes against ideas rather then listening to what people say and having a more open minded discussion. But in time a very small group is just a minor voice compared to the many other people that will comment. Only at that point will you understand, what you or I want isn't what matters it is what the majority of people want that are playing and paying for the game. I'll try again. My reason for engaging you, ever, is that I'm the 'nice' one who will empathize with you and put up with your nonsense, out of my group. If I am doing it, others are fine with leaving it to me instead of coming to call you out themselves. It is my role to be the one talking. Do you prefer to deal with just me, or all of them? I would expect that since you have to actually write a post of that style and length most of the time, it would become exhausting. Don't have a comment on this its up to people what kind of conversation they want to have be it bias, or understanding people even if they don't agree, you talk sweet garbage because they choose they don't have "respect" for the person anymore.
Mag7spy wrote: » You don't understand nuance and are trying to use it as some sort of evidence like what I'm saying is meant to be a quote.
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » You don't understand nuance and are trying to use it as some sort of evidence like what I'm saying is meant to be a quote. So, why would you suggest that I have said something that you seem to know I didn't say? This is especially true in a discussion where many people have pointed out your lack of ability to stick to the arguments presented. The only thing you accomplish by suggesting that someone said something they didn't (and that literally everyone can see they didn't) is make yourself look foolish. Also, you are completely misunderstanding why I am even talking about EQ2 here. I am not trying to push for more gameplay akin to EQ2. In fact, I am on record many, many times on these forums as having said that anything we discuss here will have literally no effect on the finished game - nor should it. We are having a discussion among ourselves, not with Intrepid. When this is your mindset - as most posters around here know is mine - you literally can not push for any kind of gameplay to be added to Ashes. As such, I generally talk about EQ2 in order to draw comparisons for people that never had the chance to play it. While the game is live now, the time investment needed for someone to be able to experience the top end content of that game is astronomical. As such, I explain what the games top end content was like, so that people get an understanding that the type of gameplay they are familiar with isn't the only type of gameplay that exists. However, in this specific thread, my point always was that tab target combat is better for top end PvE, simply because tab target combat leaves players free to do more, which leaves the developers free to add more to the encounter. They can add things to an encounter in tab target that they can't add in action, because in action people are too busy with the combat system. This is a position I have had for many years, and is one shared by many game developers. I have a habit of reading white papers on game development - hence me finding the joke of literary dilution (someone that has read very little) amusing. It is a generally held fact that you can't overload players, so the more you give them to do in one system (the combat system), the less you can give them in another system (the encounter). The funny thing about you wanting examples of this is that the above just holds true in literally everything. If I have a 10 liter bucket that I need to fill with two liquids, and I have two 8 liter buckets of those other liquids, once I have 2 liters of one liquid in my bucket, the more I then continue to put in to that 10 liter bucket, the less of the second liquid I can pour in. This is the exact same concept. That is not something that needs an example, that is something that (at least where I live) people learn when they are about 4. You not understanding it is just... odd. It's as if you simply do not want to understand it, because understanding it will in some way cause you harm (in this case, having to rethink the notion that action is always best).
Mag7spy wrote: » Any reasonable person would think action combat is in the game
Noaani wrote: » I am on record many, many times on these forums as having said that anything we discuss here will have literally no effect on the finished game - nor should it. We are having a discussion among ourselves, not with Intrepid. When this is your mindset - as most posters around here know is mine - you literally can not push for any kind of gameplay to be added to Ashes.
