Action Camera & Healing

I wanted to make a post regarding the hybrid approach with action camera and how it relates to healing.

The appeal to healing for me is to make judgement calls on when and which heals/spells second to second (wow holy priest in past life.) When I see a push to an action camera approach I tend to see a move to aoe heals which is more about putting it in a place where it hits the most people. This removes those moment to moment decisions that make healing engaging in a different way than dps.

What do you enjoy about healing? Does it lend itself to action camera play? Is there any ideas you have on action camera and healing to keep it engaging?

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Elder

Mag7spy wrote: »

Closest thing I see is 22m players, or 30-40m million players doesn't say how many are paying subs.

Here's a quote I found that I believe he's referencing, I'm sure you can find the source yourself as I'm on my phone ATM.

"Back in April 2021, Square Enix offered an update on how many people play FFXIV. It said the player base, which included people taking part in the free trial, passed 22 million people."

Azherae

Mag7spy wrote: »

I wouldn't say that is final fantasy really growing when they have such a small player base. Some people jumped ship from WoW to try it and was very popular over that time.. They definitely improved the game and gained some more players. But even know that game is losing people from their peak, though if they can gain 3m+ subs that would be a good sign I will say.

It still is nothing in comparison to 12m subs WoW had at a point. Though i will say its mmorpgs as a whole, doesn't mean its only tab related but tab related holds the most players and those are going down in the millions.

In late 2021 Square Enix had to temporarily halt sales of the game due to it being too popular for their business model to keep up with at the time.

They have since made adjustments.

You are correct to point out that the number includes those using the free trial. Thank you for your attentiveness in that aspect.

Mag7spy

Elder wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Closest thing I see is 22m players, or 30-40m million players doesn't say how many are paying subs.

Here's a quote I found that I believe he's referencing, I'm sure you can find the source yourself as I'm on my phone ATM.

"Back in April 2021, Square Enix offered an update on how many people play FFXIV. It said the player base, which included people taking part in the free trial, passed 22 million people."

I'm talking about subs though not just players, I did see the 22 m mark, and on the mmo site it shows like 20-40m I believe of a player base. Doesn't mean they are active or subscribed though, charts stills how a loss of players all around. Mmorpgs are not popping off really and have been stale in growth or downward normally compared to the growth or numbers of other genres.

Azherae

Mag7spy wrote: »

Elder wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Closest thing I see is 22m players, or 30-40m million players doesn't say how many are paying subs.

Here's a quote I found that I believe he's referencing, I'm sure you can find the source yourself as I'm on my phone ATM.

"Back in April 2021, Square Enix offered an update on how many people play FFXIV. It said the player base, which included people taking part in the free trial, passed 22 million people."

I'm talking about subs though not just players, I did see the 22 m mark, and on the mmo site it shows like 20-40m I believe of a player base. Doesn't mean they are active or subscribed though, charts stills how a loss of players all around. Mmorpgs are not popping off really and have been stale in growth or downward normally compared to the growth or numbers of other genres.

Sorry for countering your point before you brought it, but, see previous post.

Mag7spy

Azherae wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Elder wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Closest thing I see is 22m players, or 30-40m million players doesn't say how many are paying subs.

Here's a quote I found that I believe he's referencing, I'm sure you can find the source yourself as I'm on my phone ATM.

"Back in April 2021, Square Enix offered an update on how many people play FFXIV. It said the player base, which included people taking part in the free trial, passed 22 million people."

I'm talking about subs though not just players, I did see the 22 m mark, and on the mmo site it shows like 20-40m I believe of a player base. Doesn't mean they are active or subscribed though, charts stills how a loss of players all around. Mmorpgs are not popping off really and have been stale in growth or downward normally compared to the growth or numbers of other genres.

Sorry for countering your point before you brought it, but, see previous post.

I saw the post and I'm aware of that a lot of people were playing the trial some friends of mine subbed for a month before quitting as well. If they had more actual sub numbers then WoW had at the highest peak id be surprised and impressed.

Azherae

Mag7spy wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Elder wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Closest thing I see is 22m players, or 30-40m million players doesn't say how many are paying subs.

Here's a quote I found that I believe he's referencing, I'm sure you can find the source yourself as I'm on my phone ATM.

"Back in April 2021, Square Enix offered an update on how many people play FFXIV. It said the player base, which included people taking part in the free trial, passed 22 million people."

I'm talking about subs though not just players, I did see the 22 m mark, and on the mmo site it shows like 20-40m I believe of a player base. Doesn't mean they are active or subscribed though, charts stills how a loss of players all around. Mmorpgs are not popping off really and have been stale in growth or downward normally compared to the growth or numbers of other genres.

Sorry for countering your point before you brought it, but, see previous post.

I saw the post and I'm aware of that a lot of people were playing the trial some friends of mine subbed for a month before quitting as well. If they had more actual sub numbers then WoW had at the highest peak id be surprised and impressed.

QED then. Disengaging.

ItsmeToki

just to give you two examples of two "modern" MMOs that failed. (Action Combat btw)
So dont tell me about a declining trend on Tab MMOs

Only because a game has action combat you will not attract the audience of Shooter Gamers like Fortnite, they dont necessarily like the MMO genre itself. Just keep that in mind, if you talk about action combat is the next big thing for MMOs...

Leiloni

So can we go back to talking about action camera, action combat, and healing?

ItsmeToki

Leiloni wrote: »

So can we go back to talking about action camera, action combat, and healing?

Sure you are right. I only wanted to point out a combat designing issue before. I obviously would never like healing combat to be focused on aiming. I dont want it as much as I dont want it for the ranged dps classes.

I dont like forcing combat styles on anybody. I like the freedom of choice. I dont like forcing ppl to one combat style not in PvE and not in PvP by giving bonuses to only the action combat option. Because for me aiming is not an important skill to have in an MMO. At least not as important as your cognitiv skills

-Player decisions
-Player reactions
PvP players should be measured on those kinds of skills

Azherae

ItsmeToki wrote: »

Leiloni wrote: »

So can we go back to talking about action camera, action combat, and healing?

Sure you are right. I only wanted to point out a combat desinging issue before. I obviously would never like healing combat to be focused on aiming. I dont wnat it as much as I dont want it for the ranged dps classes.

If it matters at all to Intrepid, since I bet Shadow Disciple is going to be unpopular anyway AND have a lot of options for mobility based augments, can I get aiming/movement healing there?

I think I only need 3 heal skills total (and that's including Radiant Burst even) that 'require close range positioning' for this to work for me in the likely content.

Any benefits I can get by leveling up those 3 skills so that I don't have to do my usual 'click and press hotkey' healing would be appreciated, and those could just be 'skills that other healers don't need to choose'. I assume this is gonna happen already but you never know, so, yeah.

Veeshan

I think the approach that should be taken here is cover all the basis.

Cleric/Cleric - high priest: This feel your more traditional healing roll, you get your tab targeting heals that everyone is use too
Cleric/Bard - Scryer: This would you aoe healing around you so your positionioning matter most
Cleric/Ranger or Mage - This could be a higher skill cap healer where your heals are aimed so your risk ve reward higher base heals but chance to miss
Cleric/Fighter : Templar there heal com from combat related activities so either they build up a meter to cast there healing spells or there skill heal a bit each time they hit an enemy
Cleric/Tank: Apostle they could be more about barriers and preventing dmg rather than healing it.

The secondary classes open up option to do different thing with there specialty and allow you to cover more play styles and since you can respect secondary you have the option to experiment. I think you best approach is to cover tab targeting and action targeting options for healing to allow for everyone to have an option to heal with that there happy with.

Veeshan

Might be worth having heavy armor having a negative effect on spell casting (if not already) to make it a bit harder for cleric to be tanks atleats a highpriest for example should be very good in heavy armor. Some cleric should get option to wear heavy armor and not get disadvantage such as the cleric/tank but they shouldnt be power hose healers maybe focus more on barriers than healing as there specially

ItsmeToki

Veeshan wrote: »

I think the approach that should be taken here is cover all the basis.

Cleric/Cleric - high priest: This feel your more traditional healing roll, you get your tab targeting heals that everyone is use too
Cleric/Bard - Scryer: This would you aoe healing around you so your positionioning matter most
Cleric/Ranger or Mage - This could be a higher skill cap healer where your heals are aimed so your risk ve reward higher base heals but chance to miss
Cleric/Fighter : Templar there heal com from combat related activities so either they build up a meter to cast there healing spells or there skill heal a bit each time they hit an enemy
Cleric/Tank: Apostle they could be more about barriers and preventing dmg rather than healing it.

The secondary classes open up option to do different thing with there specialty and allow you to cover more play styles and since you can respect secondary you have the option to experiment. I think you best approach is to cover tab targeting and action targeting options for healing to allow for everyone to have an option to heal with that there happy with.

As long as all classes are balanced out and every class is viable for high rated arenas I like the approach with different classes focussing on different combat styles rather than every class has both options.
I also made a proposal for a similar approach with different dps classes e.g. rangers action combat and mages tabcombat in an earlier discussion

Doing the same thing but only with secondary archtypes I think I will be fine with as well, as long as everything is balanced out fair and square.

Veeshan

ItsmeToki wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

I think the approach that should be taken here is cover all the basis.

Cleric/Cleric - high priest: This feel your more traditional healing roll, you get your tab targeting heals that everyone is use too
Cleric/Bard - Scryer: This would you aoe healing around you so your positionioning matter most
Cleric/Ranger or Mage - This could be a higher skill cap healer where your heals are aimed so your risk ve reward higher base heals but chance to miss
Cleric/Fighter : Templar there heal com from combat related activities so either they build up a meter to cast there healing spells or there skill heal a bit each time they hit an enemy
Cleric/Tank: Apostle they could be more about barriers and preventing dmg rather than healing it.

The secondary classes open up option to do different thing with there specialty and allow you to cover more play styles and since you can respect secondary you have the option to experiment. I think you best approach is to cover tab targeting and action targeting options for healing to allow for everyone to have an option to heal with that there happy with.

As long as all classes are balanced out and every class is viable for high rated arenas I like the approach with different classes focussing on different combat styles rather than every class has both options.
I also made a proposal for a similar approach with different dps classes e.g. rangers action combat and mages tabcombat in an earlier discussion
Doing the same thing but only with secondary archtypes I think I will be fine with as well, as long as everything is balanced out fair and square.

you realy want to make classes feel different aswell, having say highpriest play/feel the same was as a acolyte cause whats the point of being an acolyte if it the same as a high priest since oyu just play the one that is slightly stronger at the time.
im always for balancing especialy when it comes around to pvp however aslong as they can keep it close playing fields im happy i much rather diversity than everything feeling the same for the sake of balance but aslong as there no super standout OP class that everyone plays thats fine. Some classes better for small scale other for large scale and so on aslong as one class isnt the best at everything :P
Aslong as there actively nerfing/buffing to keep thing are even as they can ill be happy, the bonus with secondary classes being diferent is atleast your able to respect instead of rerolling

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