Mag7spy wrote: » The first don't always make guides, but eventually someone will.
At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss
NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » The first don't always make guides, but eventually someone will. Soooo what you're telling me is that EXACTLY this would happen, right? At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss
Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » The first don't always make guides, but eventually someone will. Soooo what you're telling me is that EXACTLY this would happen, right? At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss There will be videos on everything in time it doesn't really matter what the fantasy is to attempt to create some weird scenario where that doesn't happen in another time line. someone will beat it, someone will see it, and many people will make a video in due time. If people didn't make videos i would make them.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » The first don't always make guides, but eventually someone will. Soooo what you're telling me is that EXACTLY this would happen, right? At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss There will be videos on everything in time it doesn't really matter what the fantasy is to attempt to create some weird scenario where that doesn't happen in another time line. someone will beat it, someone will see it, and many people will make a video in due time. If people didn't make videos i would make them. You have a very generous guild and I pre-emptively thank you and your entire guild for your service.
Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » The first don't always make guides, but eventually someone will. Soooo what you're telling me is that EXACTLY this would happen, right? At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss There will be videos on everything in time it doesn't really matter what the fantasy is to attempt to create some weird scenario where that doesn't happen in another time line. someone will beat it, someone will see it, and many people will make a video in due time. If people didn't make videos i would make them. You have a very generous guild and I pre-emptively thank you and your entire guild for your service. Technically you can watch a streaming do it and make a video, or you make videos after you are way of ahead of others if no one is making videos. Monetary gain would be huge, also there are pretty big benefits to being a content creator in pvp games like this.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » The first don't always make guides, but eventually someone will. Soooo what you're telling me is that EXACTLY this would happen, right? At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss There will be videos on everything in time it doesn't really matter what the fantasy is to attempt to create some weird scenario where that doesn't happen in another time line. someone will beat it, someone will see it, and many people will make a video in due time. If people didn't make videos i would make them. You have a very generous guild and I pre-emptively thank you and your entire guild for your service. Technically you can watch a streaming do it and make a video, or you make videos after you are way of ahead of others if no one is making videos. Monetary gain would be huge, also there are pretty big benefits to being a content creator in pvp games like this. I'm unaware of them. I will ask a friend about it at some point. But I was moreso speaking about the fact that if there were rival guilds that were upset that you were sharing the secrets with the whole world while they were trying to get ahead, they might constantly declare war on your Guild. I'm sure you'd beat them all, but it would probably take up quite a lot of your time, so for that, I salute you.
Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » The first don't always make guides, but eventually someone will. Soooo what you're telling me is that EXACTLY this would happen, right? At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss There will be videos on everything in time it doesn't really matter what the fantasy is to attempt to create some weird scenario where that doesn't happen in another time line. someone will beat it, someone will see it, and many people will make a video in due time. If people didn't make videos i would make them. You have a very generous guild and I pre-emptively thank you and your entire guild for your service. Technically you can watch a streaming do it and make a video, or you make videos after you are way of ahead of others if no one is making videos. Monetary gain would be huge, also there are pretty big benefits to being a content creator in pvp games like this. I'm unaware of them. I will ask a friend about it at some point. But I was moreso speaking about the fact that if there were rival guilds that were upset that you were sharing the secrets with the whole world while they were trying to get ahead, they might constantly declare war on your Guild. I'm sure you'd beat them all, but it would probably take up quite a lot of your time, so for that, I salute you. They can try but i hardly doubt that would happen, like I said videos will be out from everyone. It is not something that can be controlled it is how all games are now. Doesn't mean guides are out day one though besides streamer video's.
Mag7spy wrote: » There will be videos on everything in time.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » The first don't always make guides, but eventually someone will. Soooo what you're telling me is that EXACTLY this would happen, right? At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss There will be videos on everything in time it doesn't really matter what the fantasy is to attempt to create some weird scenario where that doesn't happen in another time line. someone will beat it, someone will see it, and many people will make a video in due time. If people didn't make videos i would make them. You have a very generous guild and I pre-emptively thank you and your entire guild for your service. Technically you can watch a streaming do it and make a video, or you make videos after you are way of ahead of others if no one is making videos. Monetary gain would be huge, also there are pretty big benefits to being a content creator in pvp games like this. I'm unaware of them. I will ask a friend about it at some point. But I was moreso speaking about the fact that if there were rival guilds that were upset that you were sharing the secrets with the whole world while they were trying to get ahead, they might constantly declare war on your Guild. I'm sure you'd beat them all, but it would probably take up quite a lot of your time, so for that, I salute you. They can try but i hardly doubt that would happen, like I said videos will be out from everyone. It is not something that can be controlled it is how all games are now. Doesn't mean guides are out day one though besides streamer video's. Maybe so, but it's good to know that the community will have a fallback if all the elitists from the 2000s turn out to be the top raid players, other than yourself and your guild, that is.
NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » There will be videos on everything in time. And Noaani's whole personality on this forum is built around being the person who'd have the ability to create such videos, while your entire personality is of the person who'd just wait for them instead of PARTICIPATING IN COMPETITIVE PVE to be the first one to release such a video You keep asking Noaani for video proof of boss complexity, but if, by any chance, Ashes has bosses that a difficult enough to wipe top lvl guilds several times over, you wouldn't be able to know about that complexity because you wouldn't be a part of such guilds, while Noaani would probably be the person who's gonna crack the boss. And because of that, competitively speaking, Noaani would be a better pver than you.
Azherae wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » There will be videos on everything in time. And Noaani's whole personality on this forum is built around being the person who'd have the ability to create such videos, while your entire personality is of the person who'd just wait for them instead of PARTICIPATING IN COMPETITIVE PVE to be the first one to release such a video You keep asking Noaani for video proof of boss complexity, but if, by any chance, Ashes has bosses that a difficult enough to wipe top lvl guilds several times over, you wouldn't be able to know about that complexity because you wouldn't be a part of such guilds, while Noaani would probably be the person who's gonna crack the boss. And because of that, competitively speaking, Noaani would be a better pver than you. You don't know this, though. Mag has never indicated an inability to do what is being discussed, if anything, the opposite. That it would be easy enough that following a guide would work, and if there were no guide, that Mag would create it. Mag also has an entire guild from New World to rely on. This sentiment is outright judging both their skill and their willingness to help (or even just willingness to share whatever monetization they can get from posting them) with no real basis, that I'm aware of? It would make more sense to view this as an opportunity to make strong allies far in advance, (if you were likely to play on the same server).
Noaani wrote: » Azherae wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » There will be videos on everything in time. And Noaani's whole personality on this forum is built around being the person who'd have the ability to create such videos, while your entire personality is of the person who'd just wait for them instead of PARTICIPATING IN COMPETITIVE PVE to be the first one to release such a video You keep asking Noaani for video proof of boss complexity, but if, by any chance, Ashes has bosses that a difficult enough to wipe top lvl guilds several times over, you wouldn't be able to know about that complexity because you wouldn't be a part of such guilds, while Noaani would probably be the person who's gonna crack the boss. And because of that, competitively speaking, Noaani would be a better pver than you. You don't know this, though. Mag has never indicated an inability to do what is being discussed, if anything, the opposite. That it would be easy enough that following a guide would work, and if there were no guide, that Mag would create it. Mag also has an entire guild from New World to rely on. This sentiment is outright judging both their skill and their willingness to help (or even just willingness to share whatever monetization they can get from posting them) with no real basis, that I'm aware of? It would make more sense to view this as an opportunity to make strong allies far in advance, (if you were likely to play on the same server). While there is some merit to this, I dont think it really applies in this specific situation. Mag is on record as saying there is no PvE competition - you just follow a guide. Anyone with this attitude and blindness to basic things like how a guide is made is not someone that has participated in top end content of any type, in any game. Not only that, but they likely have never really associated with anyone that has. Not only have they not participated in top end content, they have never been "early" on any content. To take it one step further, not only have they not participated at the top end, nor been early on any content, but I would wager that Mag doesnt even know how far he even is from that edge, or how late he is on that content. It is very much a case of Mag not even knowing how much there is that he doesnt know between where he is now, and where you need to be in order to be at that top end position. Now, based on this, I am willing to make an assumption that any guild Mag has been in is hit functioning at the cutting edge of any game. To be fair though, this makes up 90%+ of all MMO gamers, so isnt a slight on Mag or his guild. What I would then say though, is that a guild that has never been at the cutting edge of a game is not likely to be at that cutting edge in a new game. While not impossible, it is very improbable.
Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss Doubt that'll happen though This isn't the 2000's there will be guide for all bosses time of gate keeping and nostalgia elitist bots is over.
NiKr wrote: » At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss Doubt that'll happen though
Dygz wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » NiKr wrote: » At this point I dearly hope that Ashes does in fact have such a difficult boss that guilds will not make any farming videos about it, while still farming it successfully. At which point I'd ask Mag to explain to me how ez it would be to "just show video proof" for the complexity of the boss Doubt that'll happen though This isn't the 2000's there will be guide for all bosses time of gate keeping and nostalgia elitist bots is over. Good luck with that!"One of the design elements that we're implementing into our raids is that the raid will not be exactly the same every single time. You're going to have variables that can't necessarily be pre-planned out for. You can pre-plan out for a lot of the raid like how many DPS do you need and healers and support; where the key position and all that kind of stuff; but I think the compelling aspect of Ashes raiding will be the difficulty in achieving this content and having that content change from session to session as well. We want there to be variables that get manifested by you know what type of node got developed elsewhere. Is he going to have acolytes or cultists? What will the acolytes have skills [available] to them? What kit is the boss gonna have? What available skill repertoire will the boss be able to [wield]? ... A lot of those systems are influenced obviously by world development. So the raid kind of takes into account at what stage has the world developed: Are there two metropolises now available in the world? Okay well let's activate this skill in this skill. Now you have five metropolises, well now all these skills have been activated. Are there are they all economic nodes? Are they all military nodes? That we can change things based on that stuff. And it really is a threat assessment from the environment against the players." ---Steven
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Azherae wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » There will be videos on everything in time. And Noaani's whole personality on this forum is built around being the person who'd have the ability to create such videos, while your entire personality is of the person who'd just wait for them instead of PARTICIPATING IN COMPETITIVE PVE to be the first one to release such a video You keep asking Noaani for video proof of boss complexity, but if, by any chance, Ashes has bosses that a difficult enough to wipe top lvl guilds several times over, you wouldn't be able to know about that complexity because you wouldn't be a part of such guilds, while Noaani would probably be the person who's gonna crack the boss. And because of that, competitively speaking, Noaani would be a better pver than you. You don't know this, though. Mag has never indicated an inability to do what is being discussed, if anything, the opposite. That it would be easy enough that following a guide would work, and if there were no guide, that Mag would create it. Mag also has an entire guild from New World to rely on. This sentiment is outright judging both their skill and their willingness to help (or even just willingness to share whatever monetization they can get from posting them) with no real basis, that I'm aware of? It would make more sense to view this as an opportunity to make strong allies far in advance, (if you were likely to play on the same server). While there is some merit to this, I dont think it really applies in this specific situation. Mag is on record as saying there is no PvE competition - you just follow a guide. Anyone with this attitude and blindness to basic things like how a guide is made is not someone that has participated in top end content of any type, in any game. Not only that, but they likely have never really associated with anyone that has. Not only have they not participated in top end content, they have never been "early" on any content. To take it one step further, not only have they not participated at the top end, nor been early on any content, but I would wager that Mag doesnt even know how far he even is from that edge, or how late he is on that content. It is very much a case of Mag not even knowing how much there is that he doesnt know between where he is now, and where you need to be in order to be at that top end position. Now, based on this, I am willing to make an assumption that any guild Mag has been in is hit functioning at the cutting edge of any game. To be fair though, this makes up 90%+ of all MMO gamers, so isnt a slight on Mag or his guild. What I would then say though, is that a guild that has never been at the cutting edge of a game is not likely to be at that cutting edge in a new game. While not impossible, it is very improbable. More shit talk, i can tell you're mad. I said it before I'll say it again pve isn't competitive.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Azherae wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » There will be videos on everything in time. And Noaani's whole personality on this forum is built around being the person who'd have the ability to create such videos, while your entire personality is of the person who'd just wait for them instead of PARTICIPATING IN COMPETITIVE PVE to be the first one to release such a video You keep asking Noaani for video proof of boss complexity, but if, by any chance, Ashes has bosses that a difficult enough to wipe top lvl guilds several times over, you wouldn't be able to know about that complexity because you wouldn't be a part of such guilds, while Noaani would probably be the person who's gonna crack the boss. And because of that, competitively speaking, Noaani would be a better pver than you. You don't know this, though. Mag has never indicated an inability to do what is being discussed, if anything, the opposite. That it would be easy enough that following a guide would work, and if there were no guide, that Mag would create it. Mag also has an entire guild from New World to rely on. This sentiment is outright judging both their skill and their willingness to help (or even just willingness to share whatever monetization they can get from posting them) with no real basis, that I'm aware of? It would make more sense to view this as an opportunity to make strong allies far in advance, (if you were likely to play on the same server). While there is some merit to this, I dont think it really applies in this specific situation. Mag is on record as saying there is no PvE competition - you just follow a guide. Anyone with this attitude and blindness to basic things like how a guide is made is not someone that has participated in top end content of any type, in any game. Not only that, but they likely have never really associated with anyone that has. Not only have they not participated in top end content, they have never been "early" on any content. To take it one step further, not only have they not participated at the top end, nor been early on any content, but I would wager that Mag doesnt even know how far he even is from that edge, or how late he is on that content. It is very much a case of Mag not even knowing how much there is that he doesnt know between where he is now, and where you need to be in order to be at that top end position. Now, based on this, I am willing to make an assumption that any guild Mag has been in is hit functioning at the cutting edge of any game. To be fair though, this makes up 90%+ of all MMO gamers, so isnt a slight on Mag or his guild. What I would then say though, is that a guild that has never been at the cutting edge of a game is not likely to be at that cutting edge in a new game. While not impossible, it is very improbable. More shit talk, i can tell you're mad. I said it before I'll say it again pve isn't competitive. At this point I believe the 'competitive' being referred to is the 'race to be the first to make the video for the monetization'. Now, while you probably aren't interested in being the first to do it, you've already made the point that the first person to do it will probably make the most money from their channel, right?
Dygz wrote: » I know. Apparently, you need to read it several times to let it sink in. You're welcome.
Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Azherae wrote: » NiKr wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » There will be videos on everything in time. And Noaani's whole personality on this forum is built around being the person who'd have the ability to create such videos, while your entire personality is of the person who'd just wait for them instead of PARTICIPATING IN COMPETITIVE PVE to be the first one to release such a video You keep asking Noaani for video proof of boss complexity, but if, by any chance, Ashes has bosses that a difficult enough to wipe top lvl guilds several times over, you wouldn't be able to know about that complexity because you wouldn't be a part of such guilds, while Noaani would probably be the person who's gonna crack the boss. And because of that, competitively speaking, Noaani would be a better pver than you. You don't know this, though. Mag has never indicated an inability to do what is being discussed, if anything, the opposite. That it would be easy enough that following a guide would work, and if there were no guide, that Mag would create it. Mag also has an entire guild from New World to rely on. This sentiment is outright judging both their skill and their willingness to help (or even just willingness to share whatever monetization they can get from posting them) with no real basis, that I'm aware of? It would make more sense to view this as an opportunity to make strong allies far in advance, (if you were likely to play on the same server). While there is some merit to this, I dont think it really applies in this specific situation. Mag is on record as saying there is no PvE competition - you just follow a guide. Anyone with this attitude and blindness to basic things like how a guide is made is not someone that has participated in top end content of any type, in any game. Not only that, but they likely have never really associated with anyone that has. Not only have they not participated in top end content, they have never been "early" on any content. To take it one step further, not only have they not participated at the top end, nor been early on any content, but I would wager that Mag doesnt even know how far he even is from that edge, or how late he is on that content. It is very much a case of Mag not even knowing how much there is that he doesnt know between where he is now, and where you need to be in order to be at that top end position. Now, based on this, I am willing to make an assumption that any guild Mag has been in is hit functioning at the cutting edge of any game. To be fair though, this makes up 90%+ of all MMO gamers, so isnt a slight on Mag or his guild. What I would then say though, is that a guild that has never been at the cutting edge of a game is not likely to be at that cutting edge in a new game. While not impossible, it is very improbable. More shit talk, i can tell you're mad. I said it before I'll say it again pve isn't competitive. At this point I believe the 'competitive' being referred to is the 'race to be the first to make the video for the monetization'. Now, while you probably aren't interested in being the first to do it, you've already made the point that the first person to do it will probably make the most money from their channel, right? First most likely won't do it as it will be a super guild most likely on the elitist side. Will also take time for people to create based on what the mechanics will be and how things work. Ie if mobs swap what mobs swap, how does it effect the raid and such and people explaining what to look out for on all details. Average player experience by the time they start doing this content should have plenty of guides around. Never said I wouldn't be interested in doing it first, to be a top tier guild you need to be doing more so you can win those ow PvP fights and sieges. As well as going back and helping lower level guildies get gear to help with their progression.
