Talking about Mounting before Combat, during Combat and after Combat.

Dygz wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

This is the quote i'm focusing on when i say it's not a single button escape.

Well, what you said was:
" I just dont think escape should be a simple one button action."
It's already not that.

What's the effective difference between already having your mount summoned when you're attacked and the way it was in Alpha-One?
If you already have your mount following you around when you're attacked, it's still one button to mount and another button to flee.

The PvPer can target your mount first in the hope that they get a headstart on killing your mount before you notice the attack.
But, from the perspective of mounting and fleeing, it would still be 1 button to mount and a 2nd button to flee.

The difference is the attackers being able to target an existing mount, but not being able to target a non-existing mount.

I see the value in threat assessment. I can decide if i want to attack you, based on your mount as well. And if you have to summon your mount, and then mount it, i get a split second to react, and target your mount.

To go further into this. You're really focusing on the wording of my thought. "I dont want escape to be a single button"...

The point is more, i dont want escape to be "easy" or "feel unfair" you should be able to run. Yes. I think "risk reward" of being prepared to run should be having your mount already summoned. And as an attacker i have to manage to then "defeat" your, mount and run away.

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

This is the quote i'm focusing on when i say it's not a single button escape.

Well, what you said was:
" I just dont think escape should be a simple one button action."
It's already not that.

What's the effective difference between already having your mount summoned when you're attacked and the way it was in Alpha-One?
If you already have your mount following you around when you're attacked, it's still one button to mount and another button to flee.

The PvPer can target your mount first in the hope that they get a headstart on killing your mount before you notice the attack.
But, from the perspective of mounting and fleeing, it would still be 1 button to mount and a 2nd button to flee.

The difference is the attackers being able to target an existing mount, but not being able to target a non-existing mount.

i can agree with that. If you want to have the possibility of mounting in combat, then you should have the mount out and attack-able from the beginning rather than summoning it on a when-needed basis.
That, or make the summoning process take significantly longer during combat.

not sure, but forum posted double

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

The difference is the attackers being able to target an existing mount, but not being able to target a non-existing mount.

I see the value in threat assessment. I can decide if i want to attack you, based on your mount as well. And if you have to summon your mount, and then mount it, i get a split second to react, and target your mount.

I think that's not really going to be a thing.
The advantage you get won't be in the split seconds a Non-Combatant summons a mount, mounts and flees.
You also won't have much advantage with a Non-Combatant summoning a mount, mounting and attacking you.

You may have significant advantage attacking a mount you spot following around a potential victim.
You may be able to severely disable the mount before your victim notices there is an attack and responds.
Sure.

Dygz wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

The difference is the attackers being able to target an existing mount, but not being able to target a non-existing mount.

I see the value in threat assessment. I can decide if i want to attack you, based on your mount as well. And if you have to summon your mount, and then mount it, i get a split second to react, and target your mount.

I think that's not really going to be a thing.
The advantage you get won't be in the split seconds a Non-Combatant summons a mount, mounts and flees.
You also won't have much advantage with a Non-Combatant summoning a mount, mounting and attacking you.

You may have significant advantage attacking a mount you spot following around a potential victim.
You may be able to severely disable the mount before your victim notices there is an attack and responds.
Sure.

With the mount existing, and being targetable. Im fine with mount and run away.

With the mount not existing, auto mount run away, seems unfairly balanced to the fleeing party.

And i dont say this to target greens. I just feel that way in general. Fighting over material is a large part of the pvx experience. People should have to at least think preemptively if escape is all they want.

haha
Commas are your friend.

But, I mean.
It will likely be more common that people will not have their mounts out and following them around.
Attacking Non-Combatants is not going to be significantly different with regard to summoning mounts in order to flee.

I think we still have to see what it will be like for Combatants.
I think summon mount, auto-mount and flee already felt like too much of a delay for me to try that in Alpha One.

CROW3

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

With the mount existing, and being targetable. Im fine woth mount and run away.

Exactly. There's that balance for risk and reward. Yes, you can call your mount while in combat, but that doesn't mean that you and/or your mount will survive to escape.

Haha. I agree with that if what you mean by "while in combat" means you are flagged as a Combatant when you call your mount.

CROW3 wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

With the mount existing, and being targetable. Im fine woth mount and run away.

Exactly. There's that balance for risk and reward. Yes, you can call your mount while in combat, but that doesn't mean that you and/or your mount will survive to escape.

They quoted my typo... my shame!

Dygz wrote: »

Haha. I agree with that if what you mean by "while in combat" means you are flagged as a Combatant when you call your mount.

Now thats a question for a livestream. Am i "in combat" if im green and a player is attacking me. Most would probably say yes, i mean just think about single player games... "you cant fast travel with enemies nearby" just because its combat you dont want, doesnt mean you arent in it.

That's subjective to the poster, I think.
In which game can you not fast travel if there are enemies nearby?

Dygz wrote: »

That's subjective to the poster, I think.
In which game can you not fast travel if there are enemies nearby?

Single player rpg's like skyrim and such

Sengarden

If you invest in the system, you’ll be granted flexibility in combat on or off a mount.

As was mentioned before, some mounts will run faster but likely have less health and attack power than others. The counter to this, as I think Dygz said, would be a mount with snares or slows. The speedier mount, if it’s a high enough quality (reward granted to player investment) could then potentially have some escape abilities to evade those.

Your mount build will hopefully have just as much relevance in engaging in or avoiding combat as your player combat build. From that perspective, I don’t believe any of us should be scared of mounting in combat.

Should there be a brief delay for the sake of realism? Yes. Blow a whistle, it runs up to you, and you mount your steed. What’s that, three seconds? You’re vulnerable the whole time, and I think your whistle should be able to be silenced / you should be able to be stunned while mounting. If you’re smart, you’ll keep your mount with you so you don’t have to call for it and can cut that vulnerable time in half.

I like the idea that was mentioned of having a mount ability for signaling you when a flagged combatant is within a certain range. That should give you ample time to flee, if, again, you’ve invested time into the system and have a mount that can do all these things.

Ha!
In that case, feels like I would want there to be a type of Mount ability we can breed for that signals when strangers enter attack range.

Azherae

Dygz wrote: »

Ha!
In that case, feels like I would want there to be a type of Mount ability we can breed for that signals when strangers enter attack range.

Oh, yes, this is what I referred to, I should probably have been more clear.

Explicitly that you have to breed the mount to have this 'Alertness' or whatever skill.

Sengarden

Dygz wrote: »

Ha!
In that case, feels like I would want there to be a type of Mount ability we can breed for that signals when strangers enter attack range.

It makes sense though! Animals in our own world that are large enough to ride upon are generally pretty intelligent creatures. Even dogs, for instance, have varieties that have been selectively bred to exhibit greater social and emotional intelligence. Both for offensive purposes (hunting, military, etc) and defensive purposes (guarding) separately. In a system where we're selectively breeding large, intelligent creatures, I should think at least this much should be theoretically possible.

Dygz wrote: »

Ha!
In that case, feels like I would want there to be a type of Mount ability we can breed for that signals when strangers enter attack range.

You really want a notification whenever another player is near you? Seems rather distracting and immersion breaking when your stag growls 20 times an hour just because there is passer-bys.

Warth wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Ha!
In that case, feels like I would want there to be a type of Mount ability we can breed for that signals when strangers enter attack range.

You really want a notification whenever another player is near you? Seems rather distracting and immersion breaking when your stag growls 40 times an hour just because there is passer-bys.