Ashes of Creation will have Pay To Win

LuKe_NuKeS_Em wrote: »

Advertising the game as having no pay to win and not explaining how that is going to be the case isn't ideal either.

They've explained how they gonna not have p2w. They'll just have cosmetics and sub, which theoretically should provide them enough money to sustain development.

Rmt is not p2w. And their main presented way of countering bots/rmt is active GMs. Those GMs will have tools that we won't know about, at which point it's a question of whether you trust devs to make good enough tools and trust GMs to use them well enough. If you don't trust either - it's pointless to be screaming about that on the forums, because some people do trust them and some people are just waiting to decide (which can only happen after release), and you won't change their minds by just saying "I don't trust devs just because".

LuKe_NuKeS_Em

Buying in game power with real money is paying to win. Paying to win does not have to be through an in-game cash shop.

LuKe_NuKeS_Em wrote: »

Buying in game power with real money is paying to win. Paying to win does not have to be through an in-game cash shop.

And RMT are going to be "against the rules" in ashes.

You're arguing that "murder" is going to happen and the government is responsible.... bro, its already illegal. What do you want?

"I blame laws for letting me kill people", says man sentenced to 10 years in prison for killing a person. More news at 11.

Hinotori

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

You're arguing that "murder" is going to happen and the government is responsible.... bro, its already illegal. What do you want?

Some ideas to fix P2W in mmo's:

* Using the power of the blockchain, make each character unique NFT so transactions can more easily be tracked.

* Hire anti-cheat "proctors" to watch you through your web camera while you game, and let them monitor you computer screen also.

* Make players file yearly income tax reports for their characters or risk getting audited by Intrepid.

* Require each game trade to be authenticated using retinal scans or other biometric confirmation.

* Make a limited number of gold coins that players have to fight over and horde, and never make more EVER.

Anyways, these are my "best" ideas to fix P2W in mmo's.

Hope this helps.

LuKe_NuKeS_Em

@PenguinPaladin

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

LuKe_NuKeS_Em wrote: »

Buying in game power with real money is paying to win. Paying to win does not have to be through an in-game cash shop.

And RMT are going to be "against the rules" in ashes.

You're arguing that "murder" is going to happen and the government is responsible.... bro, its already illegal. What do you want?

No one is arguing that. The game is marketed as having no pay to win, yet has no solution for real money trading affecting the game. That is all I brought up and it is obvious that none of you rude responders have any substantial fact to offer any solutions of your own.

Hinotori

LuKe_NuKeS_Em wrote: »

No one is arguing that. The game is marketed as having no pay to win, yet has no solution for real money trading affecting the game. That is all I brought up and it is obvious that none of you rude responders have any substantial fact to offer any solutions of your own.

LuKe_NuKeS_Em wrote: »

@PenguinPaladin

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

LuKe_NuKeS_Em wrote: »

Buying in game power with real money is paying to win. Paying to win does not have to be through an in-game cash shop.

And RMT are going to be "against the rules" in ashes.

You're arguing that "murder" is going to happen and the government is responsible.... bro, its already illegal. What do you want?

No one is arguing that. The game is marketed as having no pay to win, yet has no solution for real money trading affecting the game. That is all I brought up and it is obvious that none of you rude responders have any substantial fact to offer any solutions of your own.

Okay. Ill do some of the math for you.

Irl- murder is illegal.
Ashes-rmt is not allowed.

Commet murder- go to jail.
Take part in RMT- permanent ban.

Unlike other mmos where they just ignore gold buyers, or like wow simply sell the gold themselves. Ashes plans on punishing both sides of any transactions.

You call us rude for belittling your concerns, while you have shown up here with no information, spouting that ashes is falsly advertising their game over misrepresenting RMT's as pay to win, when RMT's are not allowed in ashes already.

Your concerns, have been discussed probably 20+ times within these forums. It is no ones job to educate you but yourself.

Why would you expect intrepid to do more than punish the people who break the rules?

Why would you expect intrepid to explain to us how they plan of discovering who has broken the rules?

And seeing as ashes has decided that RMTs are not allowed. As far as they are concerned, even if RMT's were a form of pay to win. Its not allowed in their game, so their advertising is not fraudulent....

Just because you apoint your own definitions to things doesnt make you right, or make anyone have to take you seriously.

LuKe_NuKeS_Em wrote: »

yet has no solution for real money trading affecting the game.

What solution were you expecting to see? The classic shitty "trading disabled" (which still doesn't solve the bot problem)? The 1984's "give us your ID?"

Intrepid has already said that they'll have system to combat any and all abuses/exploits/illegal activities in the game. If you don't trust the devs to do that, why are you even waiting for the game?

I think the OP was more curious about how to stop RMT beyond just "banning" it and the few people that happen to get caught here and there.

To be fair, I'm sure solutions exist that would nearly eliminate RMT, but the problem is the solutions would be so privacy invasive or cumbersome that people wouldn't like them.

That's my opinion anyways.

As for talking about a topic more than once, if you don't like the topic or have nothing to add, I'd personally just avoid a thread. It's the nature of forums for people to discuss the same topic multiple times.

It's not "wrong" to post a thread without searching through a pile of old threads for the perfect one to bump, and then you'd likely get called out for resurrecting an old thread anyways.

MaiWaifu

Ransel wrote: »

* Using the power of the blockchain, make each character unique NFT so transactions can more easily be tracked.

You don't need blockchain to have a database.

No one can modify the data unless Intrepid literally got fully hacked.

MaiWaifu wrote: »

Ransel wrote: »

* Using the power of the blockchain, make each character unique NFT so transactions can more easily be tracked.

You don't need blockchain to have a database.

No one can modify the data unless Intrepid literally got fully hacked.

I have it on good authority that blockchain and NFTs are the future of MMO's.

You better start building a mining server cluster so you can crypto-game, or you'll be left in the dust.

The future is now.

Ransel wrote: »

I think the OP was more curious about how to stop RMT beyond just "banning" it and the few people that happen to get caught here and there.

To be fair, I'm sure solutions exist that would nearly eliminate RMT, but the problem is the solutions would be so privacy invasive or cumbersome that people wouldn't like them.

That's my opinion anyways.

As for talking about a topic more than once, if you don't like the topic or have nothing to add, I'd personally just avoid a thread. It's the nature of forums for people to discuss the same topic multiple times.

It's not "wrong" to post a thread without searching through a pile of old threads for the perfect one to bump, and then you'd likely get called out for resurrecting an old thread anyways.

Its not so much discussing RMT's again that is frustrating. Its the acting like the concept of RMT's makes intrepid's "no pay to win" advertisment fraudulent. This is literally purposely miss-defining pay to win. And a very very pointless argument. If you want to discuss RMT's and their risk, get over this crappy argument, and actually discuss RMT's

That's fair PenguinPaladin.

Everyone has a different definition of P2W.

I don't think being unable to fully stop RMT makes a game P2W, but the OP apparently does if I'm reading their posts correctly?

Minimizing RMT is about the best any MMO can do.

Ransel wrote: »

Everyone has a different definition of P2W.

But that's the thing though. At which point does a definition become completely false? If any form of rmt is considered p2w, then even getting another account for the game would be p2w because it allows you to do more stuff than someone who only has their own account (that's if we don't even consider having the game in the first place as p2w, cause some people can't afford it and "lose" as the result). Do we now have to forbid having more than one account?

P2W has always meant "devs are officially selling smth that gives you an in-game advantage". And rmt has always been "an illegal trade of real money for in-game smth". But somehow those two are now equal? To me that sounds a bit crazy.

George_Black

Im getting tired of individualy tailored definitions of p2w.

Even with his definition of pay to win including RMT's..... RMT's are NOT ALLOWED in ashes. So why would ashes no pay to win advertising, be an issue?

Its just a flawed argument, that the guy wont step away from. And a discussion cant even happen until they move on from that point.