There should be sub tokens in AoC

Intrepid might as well make some money gold selling through sub tokens before the game inevitably implodes on itself from gold farmers and bots. At least then extremely poor people from poor countries will be able to play before it happens.

I don't think people understand how much gold farming is going to destroy this game. It's more centered around PvP than any MMO I have seen and it's very market heavy. Just wait until people find out someones dropping 20k to outpace everyone in the game and become and unstoppable force within a few weeks. Buying all the dragon eggs, being completely decked out in legendaries, them and their band of P2W buddies, a band of paid mercenaries, paying to have unstoppable caravans. Owning all the castles and taxing at a ridiculous rate to make even more money and solidify their spot at the top. Fun!

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Sathrago

Is your name Nancy? Because you sure are being negative.

MaiWaifu

Wouldn't this just unite the entire server against them and make every member prone to PK when travelling?

Caww

that's a lot of extrapolation...

Liniker

can you explain why on private servers - where there is actual GMs - gold sellers are banned on a daily basis and RMT is substantially low? do they have some sort of magical powers or is it just because companies don't give a fuck about banning RMT?

If intrepid actually tries, as they say they will, the game will be just fine, other companies don't even try, and that misleads people thinking it's impossible to ban bots and RMT - when it's actually really easy.

insomnia

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Intrepid might as well make some money gold selling through sub tokens before the game inevitably implodes on itself from gold farmers and bots. At least then extremely poor people from poor countries will be able to play before it happens.

I don't think people understand how much gold farming is going to destroy this game. It's more centered around PvP than any MMO I have seen and it's very market heavy. Just wait until people find out someones dropping 20k to outpace everyone in the game and become and unstoppable force within a few weeks. Buying all the dragon eggs, being completely decked out in legendaries, them and their band of P2W buddies, a band of paid mercenaries, paying to have unstoppable caravans. Owning all the castles and taxing at a ridiculous rate to make even more money and solidify their spot at the top. Fun!

Ehm, no. It's a stupid idea. Go play wow if that is what you want to be able to do

Veeshan

if you wanna police bots just allow them to be flagged combatant or something similiar that makes people who kill them not suffer corruption hit when killed. After like 5 reports a message pops up randomly on screen with a random code that needs to be entered, if not entered in 1 minute they get flagged for 5 minutes where they can be killed without penalty to the killer so they then drop there stuff and the player who reported them gets rewarded in loot. Just add a cooldown so people cant spam non bot players with the msg pop up like 2 hr cooldown between msgs or what not

Hinotori

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Intrepid might as well make some money gold selling through sub tokens before the game inevitably implodes on itself from gold farmers and bots. At least then extremely poor people from poor countries will be able to play before it happens.

I don't think people understand how much gold farming is going to destroy this game. It's more centered around PvP than any MMO I have seen and it's very market heavy. Just wait until people find out someones dropping 20k to outpace everyone in the game and become and unstoppable force within a few weeks. Buying all the dragon eggs, being completely decked out in legendaries, them and their band of P2W buddies, a band of paid mercenaries, paying to have unstoppable caravans. Owning all the castles and taxing at a ridiculous rate to make even more money and solidify their spot at the top. Fun!

Growth in ashes is finite and gear doesn't last forever.

If people want to pay to get ahead a whole 2 weeks and get banned in the process for trying then let them. It's their money they're wasting and their character thats going to end up in a trash pile.

I'm pretty sure someone who buys gear from a 3rd party source will have an extremely negative reputation very quickly on the server.

daveywavey

Hinotori

Also selling tokens for gold is a shit idea and you should feel bad.

PherPhur

Liniker wrote: »

can you explain why on private servers - where there is actual GMs - gold sellers are banned on a daily basis and RMT is substantially low? do they have some sort of magical powers or is it just because companies don't give a fuck about banning RMT?

If intrepid actually tries, as they say they will, the game will be just fine, other companies don't even try, and that misleads people thinking it's impossible to ban bots and RMT - when it's actually really easy.

That's some strong copium if i've ever seen it. "actually really easy". Actually at the current moment it's impossible to do anything but put a scratch in RMT and bots.

All you need to do is look at one of the oldest and still popular MMOs to find how this situation will truly play out, OSRS.

No one in the history of gaming has ever devised a system so complex to stop botting and has such a strong offense against gold buying. It's still subverted, constantly. They have good reason to try as hard as they can as well because they essentially sell gold with game time tokens. Does what they do make a dent in RMT and botting, sure. Is it a massive dent, not really. And they've been at this for 20 years.

Bots are so hard to tell from actual players and the systems designed so well that actual players are getting banned for beings bots.

There's no way to make a massive dent without removing player traded currency from the game, limiting trade slot windows, reducing stack size, not having a lot of items on a global drop table with varying degrees of rarity, not having an automated auction house, having a highly dynamic world and then doing what Jagex has done to top it off.

Although, despite bartering being more social, complex and engaging, people dogpile me for even mentioning the phrase "remove currency". It's like trying to have an intervention for a heroin user and suggesting something more satisfying but less problematic. Cringeeee

PherPhur

MaiWaifu wrote: »

Wouldn't this just unite the entire server against them and make every member prone to PK when travelling?

I'm not entirely sure we'll know who does and who doesn't. We certainly will have a hard to impossible time telling for the bots and gold farmers aside from messaging everyone out farming and waiting for a human like response lol.

For people P2W'ing.. my guess would be to assume everyone slingshotting above everyone else is doing it and band together to take them down. Which will be my approach.

The dragon egg problem and consumables which will surely have a very low supply with very high demand for a long time issue on the other hand... That will remain a huge issue for as long as I can tell.

PherPhur

It double posted when I tried to edit and doesnt have an option to delete a message so... here's a useless post full of filler lol, my apologies.

Ludullu

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Cringeeee

Yes, we're very cringe and we like it that way

And we still say fuck you to tokens and trade limitations

Nerror

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Intrepid might as well make some money gold selling through sub tokens before the game inevitably implodes on itself from gold farmers and bots. At least then extremely poor people from poor countries will be able to play before it happens.

I don't think people understand how much gold farming is going to destroy this game. It's more centered around PvP than any MMO I have seen and it's very market heavy. Just wait until people find out someones dropping 20k to outpace everyone in the game and become and unstoppable force within a few weeks. Buying all the dragon eggs, being completely decked out in legendaries, them and their band of P2W buddies, a band of paid mercenaries, paying to have unstoppable caravans. Owning all the castles and taxing at a ridiculous rate to make even more money and solidify their spot at the top. Fun!

Yeah that's not how the game and endgame resources is going to work at all. Never played Eve Online right?

PherPhur

Veeshan wrote: »

if you wanna police bots just allow them to be flagged combatant or something similiar that makes people who kill them not suffer corruption hit when killed. After like 5 reports a message pops up randomly on screen with a random code that needs to be entered, if not entered in 1 minute they get flagged for 5 minutes where they can be killed without penalty to the killer so they then drop there stuff and the player who reported them gets rewarded in loot. Just add a cooldown so people cant spam non bot players with the msg pop up like 2 hr cooldown between msgs or what not

A captcha for so many flags would be a nice tool in the toolkit. Sometimes I just feel like someone out grinding is a bot and I'd love to know that my report has a real and immediate check. I'd imagine most people would be against that though considering it wouldn't take too much to abuse the system on a guild leader of a guild you are at war with.

I'd like it though, as long as the captcha doesn't pop up during combat.

Thanks for some constructive thoughts on the issue, it's very rare regarding this topic.

PherPhur

Nerror wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Intrepid might as well make some money gold selling through sub tokens before the game inevitably implodes on itself from gold farmers and bots. At least then extremely poor people from poor countries will be able to play before it happens.

I don't think people understand how much gold farming is going to destroy this game. It's more centered around PvP than any MMO I have seen and it's very market heavy. Just wait until people find out someones dropping 20k to outpace everyone in the game and become and unstoppable force within a few weeks. Buying all the dragon eggs, being completely decked out in legendaries, them and their band of P2W buddies, a band of paid mercenaries, paying to have unstoppable caravans. Owning all the castles and taxing at a ridiculous rate to make even more money and solidify their spot at the top. Fun!

Yeah that's not how the game and endgame resources is going to work at all. Never played Eve Online right?

I take it you're going to tell me how the supply is so high that the items never run out. Dragon eggs will never be like that. Actually a lot of things won't be like that for a long time, but dragon eggs will never be like that.

Nerror

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Intrepid might as well make some money gold selling through sub tokens before the game inevitably implodes on itself from gold farmers and bots. At least then extremely poor people from poor countries will be able to play before it happens.

I don't think people understand how much gold farming is going to destroy this game. It's more centered around PvP than any MMO I have seen and it's very market heavy. Just wait until people find out someones dropping 20k to outpace everyone in the game and become and unstoppable force within a few weeks. Buying all the dragon eggs, being completely decked out in legendaries, them and their band of P2W buddies, a band of paid mercenaries, paying to have unstoppable caravans. Owning all the castles and taxing at a ridiculous rate to make even more money and solidify their spot at the top. Fun!

Yeah that's not how the game and endgame resources is going to work at all. Never played Eve Online right?

I take it you're going to tell me how the supply is so high that the items never run out. Dragon eggs will never be like that. Actually a lot of things won't be like that for a long time, but dragon eggs will never be like that.

No, quite the opposite. Supply of the legendary stuff will be controlled by the big guilds/alliances. Regardless of how much ingame gold anyone has.

PherPhur

NiKr wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Cringeeee

Yes, we're very cringe and we like it that way And we still say fuck you to tokens and trade limitations

Delusional. A useful tool to have for a game that's already out, fun, has no sign of changing and you just desperately need to justify downplaying the critism and keep playing in an imaginary gaming heaven *cough* WoW, GW2, BDO *cough*.

For a game in alpha though? Super cringe.

Lash

Adding a pay to win token to a game is just an admission that the designers have given up on fighting bots and maintaining a healthy economy in their game. I would not play a game where the devs have given up before the game even comes out.

Azherae

Bots should be defeated by system design.

RMT weakens once bots are pushed back against.

If you see profitable bottable designs in Alpha-2, make noise.

Other than that it's just 'slightly more players than one would like' and 'people who buy gold from those players, who should be banned anyway'.

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