Neurath wrote: » You seem to think you know it all. I played the game in A1. I'm fully aware of what I know. Also, you claim Noanni is someone who stands alone, but, no one backs up your arguments. Grinding is a known term for gaining levels through repetitive slaughter. BDO is a prime example of a grind. Ashes is not like that at all. Partly because the devs don't want it and partly because the quests give far more experience. I know full well what I will and won't be doing. Spending mindless hours in repetition will not be one of those things as I'm a hardcore gamer and I will have better things to do with my time. You claimed that life skilling was pointless compared to grinding in BDO. Thus, your knowledge is something I do not require. You can take my advice or leave my advice. You'll be the one wasting time. I doubt you will be able to defeat the seasoned veterans who have played every rendition of the combat system to date. Alas, I am not one of those people.
Mag7spy wrote: » Again why are you arguing word semantics what do you hope to gain? You are not using it in the way i used the word to begin.
Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Again why are you arguing word semantics what do you hope to gain? You are not using it in the way i used the word to begin. You dont get to decide your own meaning for words. That literally isnt how words work. Intrepid have said Ashes wont have grinding. As to you saying you've played more MMO's - dude, you're like 12. You haven't played more MMO's than anyone here - not that it even matters.
Neurath wrote: » Right, hardcore was first coined in MUDs. When one was partaking in long gaming sessions it was known as Hardcore. In the 90s Hardcore became a game mode, I'll give you that much, but, the long gaming sessions were still known as going hardcore. It is true, many of us did grind for long periods but it was known as going hardcore. Grinding is a separate facet because you can craft and still go hardcore, or, you can fish and still go hardcore. Grinding is an individual facet. You don't call crafting for long periods grinding, you also don't call fishing for long periods to be grinding. All of these activities are classified as going hardcore when long hours are harnessed. You might call all these activities 'grinding' but that does mean everyone else does. If everyone called all of these hardcore practices 'grinding' then they would not be in Ashes because the devs are against 'grinding'. I can't be more specific.
Mag7spy wrote: » lp Neurath wrote: » You seem to think you know it all. I played the game in A1. I'm fully aware of what I know. Also, you claim Noanni is someone who stands alone, but, no one backs up your arguments. Grinding is a known term for gaining levels through repetitive slaughter. BDO is a prime example of a grind. Ashes is not like that at all. Partly because the devs don't want it and partly because the quests give far more experience. I know full well what I will and won't be doing. Spending mindless hours in repetition will not be one of those things as I'm a hardcore gamer and I will have better things to do with my time. You claimed that life skilling was pointless compared to grinding in BDO. Thus, your knowledge is something I do not require. You can take my advice or leave my advice. You'll be the one wasting time. I doubt you will be able to defeat the seasoned veterans who have played every rendition of the combat system to date. Alas, I am not one of those people. A1 isn't a content test you have absolutely no clue what you will be doing in the game. Again why are you arguing word semantics what do you hope to gain? You are not using it in the way i used the word to begin. I've more than likely played more mmorpgs than you sooo, if we are talking about veterans is be more so than you. You are literarily here arguing word semantics. If you play a mmorpg every day someone can say they are grinding that mmorpg / game. Can you stop trying to argue word semantics with me?
Zlade wrote: » The best way to figure if something is good or not for a game is how it can be abused. If the abuse is high and destructive, its not meant to be in the game. If the abuse is low and rare, it can be added into the game.
Mag7spy wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Again why are you arguing word semantics what do you hope to gain? You are not using it in the way i used the word to begin. You dont get to decide your own meaning for words. That literally isnt how words work. Intrepid have said Ashes wont have grinding. As to you saying you've played more MMO's - dude, you're like 12. You haven't played more MMO's than anyone here - not that it even matters. Kid you are 15, I've played more than you. You have no content because you watch videos and talk as if you played EQ when you really haven't. Its why you are so ignorant half the time. I've played more mmorpgs and longer than your life pretty much. The fact you can't comprehend what it means when you grind a game is sad. I legit must be too old school for you, you think grinding a game and a grinding game are the same thing. But hey all you can do is arguing toxic points and semantics and you wonder why i can't take you seriously lmfao.
Mag7spy wrote: » Your whole mentality is toxic as hell, but if we are going back to slinging age insults I'm all for it then maybe it will be a language you can understand.
Mag7spy wrote: » Neurath wrote: » No. I don't think I'm reading too deep. There will be no need to grind. All you have to do is guard a few caravans, make a few merchant friends, buy the relevant resources and ask your merchant friends to arm you. A mutually beneficial contract. You literally and looking to deep into it, any game you play four hours on end you are grinding it. Why are you trying to argue semantics with me with words?
Neurath wrote: » No. I don't think I'm reading too deep. There will be no need to grind. All you have to do is guard a few caravans, make a few merchant friends, buy the relevant resources and ask your merchant friends to arm you. A mutually beneficial contract.
Mag7spy wrote: » Neurath wrote: » Right, hardcore was first coined in MUDs. When one was partaking in long gaming sessions it was known as Hardcore. In the 90s Hardcore became a game mode, I'll give you that much, but, the long gaming sessions were still known as going hardcore. It is true, many of us did grind for long periods but it was known as going hardcore. Grinding is a separate facet because you can craft and still go hardcore, or, you can fish and still go hardcore. Grinding is an individual facet. You don't call crafting for long periods grinding, you also don't call fishing for long periods to be grinding. All of these activities are classified as going hardcore when long hours are harnessed. You might call all these activities 'grinding' but that does mean everyone else does. If everyone called all of these hardcore practices 'grinding' then they would not be in Ashes because the devs are against 'grinding'. I can't be more specific. If you are playing a game for 4-8 hours a day, people can say you are grinding the game. Listen to what is said, stop assuming your own interpretation of the word grinding and not the context how people are talking about and starting pointless arguments about that for no reason. You are effectively saying to people I don't like how you talk use my words or i won't understand you, sounds petty and arrogant to me.
GrilledCheeseMojito wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » lp Neurath wrote: » You seem to think you know it all. I played the game in A1. I'm fully aware of what I know. Also, you claim Noanni is someone who stands alone, but, no one backs up your arguments. Grinding is a known term for gaining levels through repetitive slaughter. BDO is a prime example of a grind. Ashes is not like that at all. Partly because the devs don't want it and partly because the quests give far more experience. I know full well what I will and won't be doing. Spending mindless hours in repetition will not be one of those things as I'm a hardcore gamer and I will have better things to do with my time. You claimed that life skilling was pointless compared to grinding in BDO. Thus, your knowledge is something I do not require. You can take my advice or leave my advice. You'll be the one wasting time. I doubt you will be able to defeat the seasoned veterans who have played every rendition of the combat system to date. Alas, I am not one of those people. A1 isn't a content test you have absolutely no clue what you will be doing in the game. Again why are you arguing word semantics what do you hope to gain? You are not using it in the way i used the word to begin. I've more than likely played more mmorpgs than you sooo, if we are talking about veterans is be more so than you. You are literarily here arguing word semantics. If you play a mmorpg every day someone can say they are grinding that mmorpg / game. Can you stop trying to argue word semantics with me? The problem with lying as much as you do, is that eventually every person that would support you hears a lie that they have to call you out on because they know the truth, so you just end up with everyone realizing you're a liar. Both of the people you're talking to right now have played way more MMOs than you, and it shows. Maybe if you played as much as they have, you would realize that.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Neurath wrote: » Right, hardcore was first coined in MUDs. When one was partaking in long gaming sessions it was known as Hardcore. In the 90s Hardcore became a game mode, I'll give you that much, but, the long gaming sessions were still known as going hardcore. It is true, many of us did grind for long periods but it was known as going hardcore. Grinding is a separate facet because you can craft and still go hardcore, or, you can fish and still go hardcore. Grinding is an individual facet. You don't call crafting for long periods grinding, you also don't call fishing for long periods to be grinding. All of these activities are classified as going hardcore when long hours are harnessed. You might call all these activities 'grinding' but that does mean everyone else does. If everyone called all of these hardcore practices 'grinding' then they would not be in Ashes because the devs are against 'grinding'. I can't be more specific. If you are playing a game for 4-8 hours a day, people can say you are grinding the game. Listen to what is said, stop assuming your own interpretation of the word grinding and not the context how people are talking about and starting pointless arguments about that for no reason. You are effectively saying to people I don't like how you talk use my words or i won't understand you, sounds petty and arrogant to me. That is in fact, how words work. So far, no one agrees with your definition of 'grinding'. Of course, you can keep using it, but it will have about as much meaning as any of the other words you use in the non-standard way. Yet again, this all seems to stem from your lack of understanding of BDO of all things. Which is pretty disappointing. I was really hoping you were actually good at that game so we could have at least one solid basis to have discussions from, but it seems not.
Mag7spy wrote: » GrilledCheeseMojito wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » lp Neurath wrote: » You seem to think you know it all. I played the game in A1. I'm fully aware of what I know. Also, you claim Noanni is someone who stands alone, but, no one backs up your arguments. Grinding is a known term for gaining levels through repetitive slaughter. BDO is a prime example of a grind. Ashes is not like that at all. Partly because the devs don't want it and partly because the quests give far more experience. I know full well what I will and won't be doing. Spending mindless hours in repetition will not be one of those things as I'm a hardcore gamer and I will have better things to do with my time. You claimed that life skilling was pointless compared to grinding in BDO. Thus, your knowledge is something I do not require. You can take my advice or leave my advice. You'll be the one wasting time. I doubt you will be able to defeat the seasoned veterans who have played every rendition of the combat system to date. Alas, I am not one of those people. A1 isn't a content test you have absolutely no clue what you will be doing in the game. Again why are you arguing word semantics what do you hope to gain? You are not using it in the way i used the word to begin. I've more than likely played more mmorpgs than you sooo, if we are talking about veterans is be more so than you. You are literarily here arguing word semantics. If you play a mmorpg every day someone can say they are grinding that mmorpg / game. Can you stop trying to argue word semantics with me? The problem with lying as much as you do, is that eventually every person that would support you hears a lie that they have to call you out on because they know the truth, so you just end up with everyone realizing you're a liar. Both of the people you're talking to right now have played way more MMOs than you, and it shows. Maybe if you played as much as they have, you would realize that. I've played more mmorpgs than them lmfao. I can do and say the exact same thing, that is the problem with lying and assuming things about people. Ironically it makes your own point work against you when you assume something against someone else and say their words are a lie. but hey its easier for people to make something up and say they are right anyone can play that kind of game.
JustVine wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Neurath wrote: » Right, hardcore was first coined in MUDs. When one was partaking in long gaming sessions it was known as Hardcore. In the 90s Hardcore became a game mode, I'll give you that much, but, the long gaming sessions were still known as going hardcore. It is true, many of us did grind for long periods but it was known as going hardcore. Grinding is a separate facet because you can craft and still go hardcore, or, you can fish and still go hardcore. Grinding is an individual facet. You don't call crafting for long periods grinding, you also don't call fishing for long periods to be grinding. All of these activities are classified as going hardcore when long hours are harnessed. You might call all these activities 'grinding' but that does mean everyone else does. If everyone called all of these hardcore practices 'grinding' then they would not be in Ashes because the devs are against 'grinding'. I can't be more specific. If you are playing a game for 4-8 hours a day, people can say you are grinding the game. Listen to what is said, stop assuming your own interpretation of the word grinding and not the context how people are talking about and starting pointless arguments about that for no reason. You are effectively saying to people I don't like how you talk use my words or i won't understand you, sounds petty and arrogant to me. Stop letting Mag troll you all, even if he thinks long play sessions are grinds, he's just purposely pretending not to understand how language works so he can call people toxic.
Mag7spy wrote: » Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » Neurath wrote: » Right, hardcore was first coined in MUDs. When one was partaking in long gaming sessions it was known as Hardcore. In the 90s Hardcore became a game mode, I'll give you that much, but, the long gaming sessions were still known as going hardcore. It is true, many of us did grind for long periods but it was known as going hardcore. Grinding is a separate facet because you can craft and still go hardcore, or, you can fish and still go hardcore. Grinding is an individual facet. You don't call crafting for long periods grinding, you also don't call fishing for long periods to be grinding. All of these activities are classified as going hardcore when long hours are harnessed. You might call all these activities 'grinding' but that does mean everyone else does. If everyone called all of these hardcore practices 'grinding' then they would not be in Ashes because the devs are against 'grinding'. I can't be more specific. If you are playing a game for 4-8 hours a day, people can say you are grinding the game. Listen to what is said, stop assuming your own interpretation of the word grinding and not the context how people are talking about and starting pointless arguments about that for no reason. You are effectively saying to people I don't like how you talk use my words or i won't understand you, sounds petty and arrogant to me. That is in fact, how words work. So far, no one agrees with your definition of 'grinding'. Of course, you can keep using it, but it will have about as much meaning as any of the other words you use in the non-standard way. Yet again, this all seems to stem from your lack of understanding of BDO of all things. Which is pretty disappointing. I was really hoping you were actually good at that game so we could have at least one solid basis to have discussions from, but it seems not. This has nothing to do with BDO, you really jumping into a convo to throw pointless spite? Yes that is how words work and plenty of people will agree and use the word in that way, just like some people will disagree if it suits their narrative even if them disagreeing makes no sense and they are trying to argue semantics. But its the thing you tracker people have in common, you will do whatever it takes to be toxic.
Azherae wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » GrilledCheeseMojito wrote: » Mag7spy wrote: » lp Neurath wrote: » You seem to think you know it all. I played the game in A1. I'm fully aware of what I know. Also, you claim Noanni is someone who stands alone, but, no one backs up your arguments. Grinding is a known term for gaining levels through repetitive slaughter. BDO is a prime example of a grind. Ashes is not like that at all. Partly because the devs don't want it and partly because the quests give far more experience. I know full well what I will and won't be doing. Spending mindless hours in repetition will not be one of those things as I'm a hardcore gamer and I will have better things to do with my time. You claimed that life skilling was pointless compared to grinding in BDO. Thus, your knowledge is something I do not require. You can take my advice or leave my advice. You'll be the one wasting time. I doubt you will be able to defeat the seasoned veterans who have played every rendition of the combat system to date. Alas, I am not one of those people. A1 isn't a content test you have absolutely no clue what you will be doing in the game. Again why are you arguing word semantics what do you hope to gain? You are not using it in the way i used the word to begin. I've more than likely played more mmorpgs than you sooo, if we are talking about veterans is be more so than you. You are literarily here arguing word semantics. If you play a mmorpg every day someone can say they are grinding that mmorpg / game. Can you stop trying to argue word semantics with me? The problem with lying as much as you do, is that eventually every person that would support you hears a lie that they have to call you out on because they know the truth, so you just end up with everyone realizing you're a liar. Both of the people you're talking to right now have played way more MMOs than you, and it shows. Maybe if you played as much as they have, you would realize that. I've played more mmorpgs than them lmfao. I can do and say the exact same thing, that is the problem with lying and assuming things about people. Ironically it makes your own point work against you when you assume something against someone else and say their words are a lie. but hey its easier for people to make something up and say they are right anyone can play that kind of game. I think you missed the point, got caught up in your feelings again. Sometimes people KNOW you're lying or ignorant based on their own experience. You run your mouth in ignorance too OFTEN so you end up making it clear to everyone. Now, technically, this is a good thing in general, since it lets people learn about your 'loose relationship with the truth' quicker, but I feel like somehow, it does not put you in the... let's say 'Top 10' of most credible people.
