Talking about Mounting before Combat, during Combat and after Combat.

I've seen older videos of people fighting, then during a fight, they would mount up and run away. As much as I love to get out of a sticky situation, it is frustrating fighting someone then they just run off during combat. I do enjoy the mounts and how they feel, but I feel like being able to fight then mount, dismount, fight, mount repeat is sort of annoying mechanics.

The other argument is lets say you are fighting a small group when your team from far away needs your squad to rotate. Then you'd want to get out of that situation you are currently in so you can help your team. If mount timer is added, then you have to deal with the current situation before going over.

I would like to make sure the current mounting system is and discussions on what are the best approaches to this. I also am wondering if some weapons/skills can offer disabling of mounts or dismount abilities. (This is from UO where you can have a crossbow knock someone off their mount and they have to take some time before remounting).

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Sengarden

But yes Otr, if you’re talking about actually defending it’s rider, that should certainly be a specialty thing. And perhaps dependent on a degree of luxury afforded to the mount by a high level stable. The mount would need to know it has it better with you than in the wild. And would probably need a certain background to even consider that type of behavior while still maintaining obedience in primary purpose. You can read unease in a horse, but it’s not going to run up and kick a rogue in the face for pulling their blades on you. In most cases it would probably just freak out, I’d imagine.

But this is why we have different mount types - travel, combat, escape, and more. That trait would obviously fall under combat, since it involves the mount engaging with the enemy.

Craiken

Just popping in to agree with the OP. There should be some drawback or delay related to mounting, especially if you're currently getting hit in combat.

Dygz

Otr wrote: »

In real world, a mount which would protect it's rider is a bit harder to obtain.
The creature which defends the human, is encouraged and feels having the freedom to take decisions.
The one which you ride, is encouraged to follow orders and preferably to stay where you left it and wait for you to return.
To have one you can ride and would also defend you, it should be a predator which evolved to live in symbiosis with a weaker creature, which he would value for the services it brings. And the human would take the place of that creature.

I think combat mounts will be a bit harder to obtain than thirst ones which will be available, so...
That's OK.

Dygz

Warth wrote: »

You really want a notification whenever another player is near you? Seems rather distracting and immersion breaking when your stag growls 20 times an hour just because there is passer-bys.

Why would it be immersion-breaking if I breed for that?
Why would you assume that mount would be in a place where people pass by me twenty times per hour?

Dolyem

My take.

-Before or after combat, mounting up should be normal.
-If you're in combat, mounting up should take longer than a normal mount-up.
-If you are taking damage you should not be able to mount up.
-if you take damage while in the process of mounting up you should be dazed/dismounted
-if you take damage while mounted, the affect should be determined by the type of mount you are on. For example, a combat mount shouldn't have any negative affects added while a purely travel based mount would have a % chance for you to be dismounted/dazed when damaged.

Warth

I agree with everything you said except the bold part.

Dolyem wrote: »

My take.

-Before or after combat, mounting up should be normal.
-If you're in combat, mounting up should take longer than a normal mount-up.
-If you are taking damage you should not be able to mount up.
-if you take damage while in the process of mounting up you should be dazed/dismounted
-if you take damage while mounted, the affect should be determined by the type of mount you are on. For example, a combat mount shouldn't have any negative affects added while a purely travel based mount would have a % chance for you to be dismounted/dazed when damaged.

A percent change is a garbage way to do it. It literally only ends in frustration.
Frustration of the attacking player if the % doesn't trigger.
Frustration of the fleeing player if the % does trigger.

Make it 100% instead to dismount once a certain damage thresh hold was hit. Then you can also vary the damage threshhold depending on the type of mount (combat vs. travel / horse vs rhinoceros).

Dolyem

Warth wrote: »

I agree with everything you said except the bold part.

Dolyem wrote: »

My take.

-Before or after combat, mounting up should be normal.
-If you're in combat, mounting up should take longer than a normal mount-up.
-If you are taking damage you should not be able to mount up.
-if you take damage while in the process of mounting up you should be dazed/dismounted
-if you take damage while mounted, the affect should be determined by the type of mount you are on. For example, a combat mount shouldn't have any negative affects added while a purely travel based mount would have a % chance for you to be dismounted/dazed when damaged.

A percent change is a garbage way to do it. It literally only ends in frustration.
Frustration of the attacking player if the % doesn't trigger.
Frustration of the fleeing player if the % does trigger.

Make it 100% instead to dismount once a certain damage thresh hold was hit. Then you can also vary the damage threshhold depending on the type of mount (combat vs. travel / horse vs rhinoceros).

thats fair

Jawjak

I want to ask Steven his thoughts on this, cause I am also looking at is weight also being considered on the mount? Like you can only carry x amount of items on you, if you go overweight, are you unable to remount until you lose some weight, able to put a storage bag on your mount, or having the ability to put your stuff in your mount and have it automatically run back to town and back to you? (I know this is a highly unlikely scenario but having a horse or some fast moving animal to deliver your goods to someone out in a node or need to back at your base asap while you need to do other things before going back is interesting) Some games like Satisfactory has a remember path method for some of the vehicles in game. Just putting my 2 cents out there.

Scarbeus

I'd like something similar to WoW, summoning a mount out of combat only takes a couple of seconds but in combat it takes a bit more and if you take damage your cast time briefly pauses. So if you think you can take the damage for the summon then do it, but it gives the combatant the change to kill you before you get on with their damage and CC as they could always stun you mid summon.

Jawjak

I understand if you are CCed/Get dismounted/Taking Tick Damage you shouldn't be able to mount until you get out of combat for a few seconds or if you don't do something like actions/spells you can mount. I might be getting too deep on details but mounting during pvp can change a lot of strategy.

Dygz

Ashes has combat mounts.
There cannot be a mechanism that prevents Gatherers from getting on a mount while they are taking damage.

That gives all the advantage to mounted players attacking Gatherers. It means Gatherers have an extreme disadvantage if they wish to escape. In addition to the disadvantage of not being able to respond in kind with their own mounted combat attack.

mobtek

I think certain mounts should allow for calvary play and mounted combat that have a higher degree of difficulty to unmount the player

Dizz1

Mount can fight with me is a good idea, if mount carries something for me is better and if mount carried too much I can't ride it or it will be slow than it should be etc, so animal husbandry has more things to play not just make new breed but also training to make mounts stronger to do more things just like enchant gears.

I don't really like you can frequently get on mount or glider and get down then fight on ground just like use mobility skills to reposition yourself, it's understandable and barely able to accept but feel it's a lazy design.

I like mounts in GW2 I'd like to see further develop or design beyond mounts in GW2, for example I'd like to see fighting on mount like mongolian etc able to ride on mount and shooting arrows or swing sword difference is just we have mages can cast spells, and it’s not like that the one who on mount or ranged/melee on mount will have the absolutely advantage, it's should more like depend on your archetype/build and the timing about what you do on the mount or on ground.

Out of combat I'd like to have the joy of riding mounts like mounts in GW2, don't like Archeage or BDO or MHR, one skill boost speed for X seconds or one button to drift like I'm playing Mario Kart, it's 2022 now it looks silly.

I mean Intrepid, you design other parts quite good although it might because you take ideas from some other games I didn't play before but about mounts you really should reference other games not from Korea, at least GW2 their mount mechanic is very good.

TheDarkSorcerer

In ESO you can't mount while in combat. Which i think should be the same in Ashes. Unless they allow mount combat. A mount cooldown could be added.

CROW3

Dygz wrote: »

Ashes has combat mounts.
There cannot be a mechanism that prevents Gatherers from getting on a mount while they are taking damage.

That gives all the advantage to mounted players attacking Gatherers. It means Gatherers have an extreme disadvantage if they wish to escape. In addition to the disadvantage of not being able to respond in kind with their own mounted combat attack.

Exactly. Which is why I’d allow the summon / mounting regardless of ‘in combat’ status - as long as the mount could be attacked/disabled/killed.

Has there been any decision on corruption (or even a % of corruption)?

IsniffCheeks

i hope for balance on mounting during combat

Dolyem

Dygz wrote: »

Ashes has combat mounts.
There cannot be a mechanism that prevents Gatherers from getting on a mount while they are taking damage.

That gives all the advantage to mounted players attacking Gatherers. It means Gatherers have an extreme disadvantage if they wish to escape. In addition to the disadvantage of not being able to respond in kind with their own mounted combat attack.

I don't see this as a bad thing. If you're in the process of doing one action/process, why shouldn't you be at a disadvantage in an attempt to suddenly switch that process to something else? Adds risk vs reward. If you're out gathering, you are gathering your rewards at the risk of having someone hostile roll up on you. Need to look over your shoulder if you're out on your own.

Edit: I don't think they shouldn't be able to mount, but I do think they should be able to be prevented from mounting by the attacker. And at the very least take longer to mount while in combat.

Dygz

Um. No. Engaging in activities as a Non-Combatant and then being hindered from escaping simply because someone chose to attack you is all risk and no reward.
It's a PvX game. Not a PvP game where PvPers have considerable advantage over PvEers.

Dygz

CROW3 wrote: »

Exactly. Which is why I’d allow the summon / mounting regardless of ‘in combat’ status - as long as the mount could be attacked/disabled/killed.

Has there been any decision on corruption (or even a % of corruption)?

If I understood your question correctly...
My understanding at the moment is that killing mounts does not give Corruption.
Seems to be similar to destroying a Caravan.

Dolyem

Dygz wrote: »

Um. No. Engaging in activities as a Non-Combatant and then being hindered from escaping simply because someone chose to attack you is all risk and no reward.
It's a PvX game. Not a PvP game where PvPers have considerable advantage over PvEers.

Its realistic. If you are caught off guard by a hostile, you'll be at a disadvantage

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