Open world Raid/Boss Possible problems

Hi everyone, I state that I am new to the game and I have recently been interested in it so I do not know if this has been discussed previously or if information has already been provided to circumvent any problems that could arise in the scenarios I am imagining , in case if someone could provide me the link of the post I would be grateful.

But no more chatter and let's get into the heart of my question!

As the title suggests, everything specifically concerns the bosses and dungeons Open World, being that those instantiated I do not think they can be influenced by the PVP.
Exactly, my concern is PVP during these events, or rather the griefing and monopolization that larger guilds can have on this content. (And don't tell me this won't happen, because it can and surely will)

Personally I am of the idea that PVP and PVE do not have to intertwine, if I want to do PVP I go to PVP and if I want to do PVE I go to PVE, generally if one wants to do one of the two things usually does not want to waste time doing it too the other one.
Obviously the game was thought of as the old Linege and the like, and being that it seems interesting to me I am also willing to accept the mixing of these features.
However being that the PVE endgame content should be the one that drops the best gear (from what I have understood at least) I see countless possibilities for griefing and trolling, I think that creating a type of activity that is blocked by other players, and therefore automatically excludes part of the server population, not because that population does not have the requirements, but only because there are stronger or more numerous players to block them out seems to me a fallacious system towards the community and the gameplay in general.

So my question is the following, how do the developers think to prevent the bad behaviors that will surely be created?
(We don't even have to wonder, 100% people will do this).

I wanted to thank those who decided to take the time to read the whole post and I hope to receive some interesting answers, perhaps even from a developer or CM himself who can clarify or give ideas to avoid problems.

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George_Black

World pvp is totally pointless and optional...

Songcaller

Some of the best pvp i've had has been in the open world. I was driving across tattooine once and flew over some sand dunes and there below was a huge battle. Naturally, i reinforced the Allies against The Empire but the battle was tons of fun because no one had doctors' buffs.

Node Wars and Guild Wars will be played in the open world. So too will Caravan skirmishes. Players will have flying mounts in the open world and will be able to engage in the open world with them. Otherwise, these creatures will only be used in sieges which would be a real shame.

Furthermore, Guilds can arrange open world fights outside of guild wars. Duels also happen in the open world. There is so much richness in open world pvp that the devs have not banned it, they've just put rules around it.

George_Black

I didn't say "open world".

Songcaller

What else would you mean by world pvp? There is no other definition than open world pvp. No one says closed world pvp because closed world pvp does not exist. Its classified as instanced PvP. Unless you are claiming Arena and Battlegrounds aren't worthwhile?

George_Black

World pvp from GW2 and AA.
When PvP is allowed without any penalties in certain zones. Just mindless killing.

Songcaller

I think perhaps Warhammer Online also had World PvP then. Perhaps some others I've played. Its a strange term I've never really heard before. I did also play GW2 and a little of AA. I guess I just pvp whenever I can without much thought.

Dygz

“Meaningless PvP”.

George_Black

Dygz wrote: »

“Meaningless PvP”.

Go roleplay somewhere else.

Dygz

LMAO
Or…roleplay and participate in meaningful PvP.

Hatham

This thread has lost its meaning and the initial debate about the topic has already been covered. maybe time to close this thread.

BaSkA_9x2

Neurath wrote: »

I disagree with most of what you wrote but these two quotes are priceless. Says more about you both than you realise. You actually putting words into my posts which were never meant to be there. I just can't get my head into your head spaces. lol.

I literally quoted each piece of text you wrote and gave my interpretation and counter argument to them. How am I "putting words into your posts which were never meant to be there"? Is it forbidden to reach conclusions and make assumptions out of what people write? Or is only forbidden when it's disagreeing with them? Probably the latter.

If you were sharp enough you'd understand why I used words such as "carebear", that says more about you than you realize. Let me help you: carebears and PvP elitists are usually equally extremist and dull, so mocking both and using ad hominem serves to show how wrong you usually are.

But trying to create a strawman out of things you disagree with or accusing others of creating a strawman is a lot easier than arguing, am I right?

In any case, please keep spouting your thoughts, they are a very good way of showing your lack of knowledge, understanding and experience with MMORPGs.

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Kardin wrote: »

Then main point is that there are actually no downside in doing pk especially if you cant go back with levels, there are a lot of information that we dont know yet and the numebers of this penalty are not pubblic yet, at the moment the only downside that you cant avoid is a loss of around 3% exp at max level (wiki info) but can still be offset with a little bit of farm after you clense your corruption.

In my opinion, you're being too simplistic and ignoring other facts to try and make your point. I can easily see a few downsides for going red in the Wiki page for corruption:

Dropping weapons and gear: self explanatory and it doesn't matter if your gear is equipped or in your inventory, it has the chance of being dropped regardless.
Corrupt players respawn at random locations in the vicinity of their death, not at regular spawn points: reds will probably be repeatedly killed, aka corpse camped, unless they log out in time.
Skill and stat dampening (due to corruption) only affects PvP combat: until you're almost back to green, you'll be weaker in PvP.
Gear degradation: every time you die, no matter if your gear is equipped or not, it will lose durability. And repairing gear is in the core of Ashes economy, so I'd bet it won't be cheap.

From my understanding, the only actual concern you have is the corrupted (red) player being killed over and over by his friends until they go back to being green, no risk of losing anything other than gear degradation.

Hopefully there will be systems in place to prevent you from temporarily dropping or trading your gear while you're red to avoid the off chance of losing it to a non-friend who kills you. Maybe it will be necessary to add more mechanics to prevent this type of corruption cleansing or maybe not. At the end of the day, the corruption system is a risk vs. reward mechanic, and from my understanding of Steven's point of view on PKing, it will be risky to do it.

Nric

All dominant guilds break down internally. The bigger the guild the soon they fall.

L2 players know that when a guild is beeing dominant the other guilds do an alliance to take them out.
This is good, creates drama and improvement for the rest of the guilds. Basically what makes the game fun.

Also map is so large that a single guild cant control every single open world raidboss.
Fighting for raidbosses is one of the most fun things you can do in a MMO, also the big battles are the ones you will allways remember.

If you want to do the top of the end game content you should fight for it, doing PVP, doing alliances or making negotiations with the guilds.

The best histories are the ones that players create.

Songcaller

George_Black wrote: »

World pvp from GW2 and AA.
When PvP is allowed without any penalties in certain zones. Just mindless killing.

When I check google it is claimed world pvp is open world pvp. Some use the term word pvp for World of Warcraft and almost all other games. Its no wonder I haven't heard the term before. Its literally just open world pvp. The funny thing is i think the eastern mmos and mmos players use the term world pvp rather than open world pvp. Either way, its the exact same thing.

Asraiel

Neurath wrote: »

I disagree with most of what you wrote but these two quotes are priceless. Says more about you both than you realise. You actually putting words into my posts which were never meant to be there. I just can't get my head into your head spaces. lol.

I dont know where you life but if you would know someone that lost their loved ones to them you shure would think diffrently about it. shure its only 2 letters but getting reminded of terrible memorys isnt so my thing. i personlay dont care what religion someone has but killing other only because they didnt belive what you do ....

sadly i cant lol about such a matter

Neurath wrote: »

Says more about you both than you realise.

jep that we are living irl and no fantasy world.

Neurath wrote: »

You actually putting words into my posts which were never meant to be there.

Intrepid Studios never used the shortage you used cause they knew what it means globaly.

Asraiel

Neurath wrote: »

Beware of the lineage players.

ehh Steven is one such player

Songcaller

I've used IS since 2018. I will continue to use IS. Other than that I use devs and devs is also fine. Its clear to me you are shit stirring because you don't read my posts. You just cherry pick what you think can wind me up which is very little.

Nric

Please guys respect the hippies.

PherPhur

Neurath wrote: »

I doubt IS will remove Family Summons no matter how many of us are against the function.

I think family summons is fine, it just needs to have a 12-24 hour cooldown. It should absolutely not be a short enough cooldown to be used as a method of transportation for any purpose other than getting the boys together during 1 play session for the day.

Asraiel

Neurath wrote: »

I've used IS since 2018. I will continue to use IS. Other than that I use devs and devs is also fine. Its clear to me you are shit stirring because you don't read my posts. You just cherry pick what you think can wind me up which is very little.

Asraiel wrote: »

i know you mean Interpid Studios when u writhe IS. but whenever i read it i understand first IS from Islamic State terror organization.

Neurath wrote: »

I've used IS since 2018. I will continue to use IS. Other than that I use devs and devs is also fine. Its clear to me you are shit stirring because you don't read my posts.

its ok for me that you use those initials, just mentioned what i and maybe others read at first

Neurath wrote: »

Its clear to me you are shit stirring because you don't read my posts.

i do read your posts but if i dont react to them thene theres nothing in them to react to

Neurath wrote: »

Its clear to me you are shit stirring because you don't read my posts. You just cherry pick what you think can wind me up which is very little.

didnt had to do anything with badtalking about you,
but if someone realy would think, i would have the need to badtalk them even i dont know them personaly or they owe me money, then i would have to say to that person "grow up"

your reaction to my post was like
a dog pissing on my leg thinking when you look at him: "is something?"

i did several reaction to posts of yours even befor that so it was clearly no cherrypick
and to @Nric doesnt have to do anything with hippies

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