Weapon Master / Fighter feedback

Weapon_Master wrote: »

I heard go to the forum for feedback so here I am, got a problem with it go make your own forum and chat there xD

Yes. And...I gave you feedback.
Some things will be tweaked.
At this point, expect anything that is a fundamental change to the original design to add more than one year to development.

Neurath wrote: »

It wasn't the fighter we saw. It was a toon with a two handed sword. Could've been a tank, could've been a mage, could've been a cleric. The only differentiator was 'Basic Attacks' and 'Weapon Attacks'. Ashes is not New World or Throne and Liberty, the weapon does not dictate the class.

It was the Fighter kit.
Did you listen to the video?
"Hammer Strike" was a Fighter Active Skill.
The Tank version of that Active Skill is Javelin.
The Cleric version of that Active Skill is Castigation.

So why does the fighter have back dashes? Why do they all have the same skills with different effects? Sounds like cut corners to me. If they would call it all basic attacks and weapon attacks and then use a fighter skill that still does not equal a Weapon Master.

P.s. i didn't watch it all it was very repetitive.

Weapon_Master

Dygz wrote: »

Weapon_Master wrote: »

I heard go to the forum for feedback so here I am, got a problem with it go make your own forum and chat there xD

Yes. And...I gave you feedback.
Some things will be tweaked.
At this point, expect anything that is a fundamental change to the original design to add more than one year to development.

I already gave feedback as to how they could easily apply the changes while keeping the ability. It would not add a year to development. It is very clear they are in early class design so that is why I am giving feedback now. I don't think one singular hammer attack is a fundamental year or more long change. Not sure why you are so obsessed with the javelin and whip and everything of classes im not speaking of. Regardless I saw a video of the javelin the other day and it didn't even look magical. Perhaps it was a old video? Not sure why you think everything has to be this one set way. It would be better feedback like the other guy had, where he said weapon masters should be masters of all kinds of weapons even magical ones like the big hammer. That made sense. Your feedback is, no everybody needs to have this one special attack and it has to be exactly like this! Why? Because it does and if its not it will add a year to dev.... If you say so.

Most likely that is a version of the Fighter Active Skill called Rush.
One of the devs state in the video that we're seeing the Weapon Master kit. We don't know if they added any augments onto that Rush.
Below is a description of the Fighter Primary Archetype:

The Fighter is really a mobile physical DPS. So they're able to traverse the battlefield. They're able to close the gap quickly. They're able to deal damage from a physical perspective... The Fighter is in your face. You try to get away from me I'm going to close that gap. I'm going to deal this burst damage to you and it really doesn't matter if I'm behind you or if you're bleeding or if I've snared you per-se. I am there. I am in your face. I'm doing this damage.
---Steven

"I didn't watch it all..."
Says the person who complains about people not reading his posts.

Weapon_Master wrote: »

I already gave feedback as to how they could easily apply the changes while keeping the ability. It would not add a year to development. It is very clear they are in early class design so that is why I am giving feedback now. I don't think one singular hammer attack is a fundamental year or more long change. Not sure why you are so obsessed with the javelin and whip and everything of classes im not speaking of. Regardless I saw a video of the javelin the other day and it didn't even look magical. Perhaps it was a old video? Not sure why you think everything has to be this one set way. It would be better feedback like the other guy had, where he said weapon masters should be masters of all kinds of weapons even magical ones like the big hammer. That made sense. Your feedback is, no everybody needs to have this one special attack and it has to be exactly like this! Why? Because it does and if its not it will add a year to dev.... If you say so.

The problem you have is that Dygz would back a pink moon if Steven or the devs said the moon was pink.

If the devs say that Ashes has a pink moon - I will support Ashes having a pink moon. True.
Of course, color is not a fundamental change to design. Changing colors won't add significant time to a game development schedule.

The issue I have Dygz is we're trying to remedy the situation around the combat video. Now, with the limited viewing that I did, I took at face value the basic attacks and the weapon attacks. Which was backed by the initial stuff shown. Yet, Weapon_Master is stating that Weapon Master was shown. Then, you state that one fighter ability was shown which still does not equate to a Weapon Master. Now, I'm not exactly sure whether we were meant to be reviewing the basic attacks and weapon attacks which I did do and did not need to watch twenty repetitions of the same skills.

On top of that, like the predator video, the devs often just take a toon and claim its a full class (Primary and Secondary Archetypes combined). Its easy to promote the holes and make a combat system look more advanced than it actually is. Until we get a class overview of the Fighter like the old Cleric, Tank and Mage reviews we did I will not accept that the Hammer was a Fighter skill. For a start the skill move actually spawned with the Two Handed Sword.

My suspicions are that the 'Ranger' review in September will just be bow weapon skills like the Two Handed Weapon. One can state anything when one controls the medium. It just doesn't add up. I could accept these parameters if both you and Weapon_Master had both claimed it was a fighter skill but you're claiming its a fighter skill on a Weapon Master between you.

LMAO

Yeah, you can laugh. Its better than crying mate. I get accused a lot of going too deep, yet, I skipped through the video and it is literally about 6 skills at max being used. Unless each weapon has 5 skills or so and the hammer is a fighter skill, then that to me isn't even a show off weapon skills. Just a small selection in repetition. So, the sum of the spectacle isn't even really worth assessing. Everything is placeholder, everything is subject to change and everything was repetitive. Thus, until A2 or a more substantial video surfaces I wouldn't lose any sleep over a golden hammer which flashes in and out within a second or so.

Dolyem

I put my vote for non-magic and martial-skill/rage fueled fighter theme. If you want magic-melee as a fighter you should have to subclass into a magic themed secondary.

Also think this should go for rangers, rogues, and tanks as well.

Nobody liked the magic hammer from AA. Dont waste time being reasoning with Dygz

If you don't like it, don't use it.

Dygz wrote: »

If you don't like it, don't use it.

I wont. Im that good at pvp.

LMAO
As if that matters.

Dygz wrote: »

LMAO
As if that matters.

Here is what matters. If the ability selection of, lets say fighter, consists of more magic weapons appearing out of nowhere, fighter players will not play the class.
If the same dislike issue occurs on other classes, people will not play them.

But your brain cant follow that. You are here to say "the sun rises from the east, the water boils at 100°, 2+2=4" and other facts that everybody knows.
In other words, you are just stating obvious things. When however you give us your personal desires and insights, without a fail, you make me shake my head or facepalm.

The desire for a fighter to be a fighter doesnt have anything to do with the systems or gameplay or mechanics of AoC and how this game is meant to be played.
These are things decided by Steven and there should be no discussion of change. Only improvement and bug checking.

When it comes to how the classes should feel, with respect to the background of Verra (no steampunk, no pistols, no lasers) then yes, devs should listen to the players.
A fighter is all about physical attacks. No magic, no godlike grace, no flashy colours.

"Cleric has a spear, fighter has a hammer"
Rly Dygz? Is that what we should accept for the ID of our classes? That there is a distinction since one has a golden spear and the other has a golden hammer.
Im not going to sit here at take that from you. Not even the Devs. When A2 drops there will be many discussions about weapon and class satisfaction.
Dont be there to derail the topics.
Go roleplay with your alts of various background stories.

JustVine

I liked the hammer ability. It fit how I think of fighter in a setting like this pretty well.