Preferences/ideas/suggestions For Naval combat

Alright, let's discuss what people predict and what people would like to see for Naval Combat. Use plenty of other game references and don't be afraid to voice what you like!

Personally I love sea of thieves and see it as the standard for Naval combat. Everything is skill shots and there are different types of ammo that bring all sorts of dynamics to the fights.

Basics that I want include

-skill shot/action based attacks with the few exceptions of some AOE, buff, or debuff abilities.

-sailing mechanics similar to sea of thieves requiring a crew to be on point with sail control, steering, directions, etc.

-several ammunition types for specific effects

-different ship classes with advantages and disadvantages, perhaps even a sort of rock, paper, scissors ship class system so everyone isn't always using the same ship that us a meta

-boarding options for on-ship fighting and some balancing around that.

-making it difficult but not impossible to board enemy ships from the water.

-points of importance on a ship where if someone tampers with them it can have a negative affect or even disable a ship.

Those are just a few. Looking forward to hear everyone's ideas and what sort of games with Naval Content they enjoyed!

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Strevi

I would like to have ways to cloak small ships and stay invisible as long as enemies are not very close.

Another thing I would like is to have underwater vehicles too which would not be crafted but biological and adjusted somehow to fit the role of underwater movement. I would see them like floating things, alive, but not animals. With a little bit of magic, players could use them to navigate below water too.

PenguinPaladin

Strevi wrote: »

I would like to have ways to cloak small ships and stay invisible as long as enemies are not very close.

Another thing I would like is to have underwater vehicles too which would not be crafted but biological and adjusted somehow to fit the role of underwater movement. I would see them like floating things, alive, but not animals. With a little bit of magic, players could use them to navigate below water too.

Alive but not animals.... just get in the whale pretty boy. We're going as deep as she goes.

Dolyem

Strevi wrote: »

I would like to have ways to cloak small ships and stay invisible as long as enemies are not very close.

Another thing I would like is to have underwater vehicles too which would not be crafted but biological and adjusted somehow to fit the role of underwater movement. I would see them like floating things, alive, but not animals. With a little bit of magic, players could use them to navigate below water too.

Personally I don't like the idea of submersibles. Leaving a player exposed to dangerous environments while underwater sounds way more appealing as far as content goes. Use the air vent feature that most games utilize to add a mechanic and sense of urgency while exploring or trying to get things done

Strevi

Dolyem wrote: »

Strevi wrote: »

I would like to have ways to cloak small ships and stay invisible as long as enemies are not very close.

Another thing I would like is to have underwater vehicles too which would not be crafted but biological and adjusted somehow to fit the role of underwater movement. I would see them like floating things, alive, but not animals. With a little bit of magic, players could use them to navigate below water too.

Personally I don't like the idea of submersibles. Leaving a player exposed to dangerous environments while underwater sounds way more appealing as far as content goes. Use the air vent feature that most games utilize to add a mechanic and sense of urgency while exploring or trying to get things done

I think you are right. In first stage the game should create good mechanic based on water.

I am glad you are not against the invisibility feature.
That can be used in more ways: surprise attacks, pretending to be a single harmless ship, breaking blockades, to observe battles and learn or just to explore.
But I think it can be OP if is not balanced well.

Dolyem

Strevi wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Strevi wrote: »

I would like to have ways to cloak small ships and stay invisible as long as enemies are not very close.

Another thing I would like is to have underwater vehicles too which would not be crafted but biological and adjusted somehow to fit the role of underwater movement. I would see them like floating things, alive, but not animals. With a little bit of magic, players could use them to navigate below water too.

Personally I don't like the idea of submersibles. Leaving a player exposed to dangerous environments while underwater sounds way more appealing as far as content goes. Use the air vent feature that most games utilize to add a mechanic and sense of urgency while exploring or trying to get things done

I think you are right. In first stage the game should create good mechanic based on water.

I am glad you are not against the invisibility feature.
That can be used in more ways: surprise attacks, pretending to be a single harmless ship, breaking blockades, to observe battles and learn or just to explore.
But I think it can be OP if is not balanced well.

The stealth would just have to apply to very light/small ships. Nothing that could have a lot of firepower. Even then I'd think it should be at least a shimmer for the keen eye to see

Dolyem

Another idea, since gunpowder isn't a thing, is ships with little to no firepower(potion launchers), built sturdy/tanky, and meant for a focus on ramming and boarding. Such as Triremes. Allowing for a dynamic to not only have ships with an arsenal but also ships with a different tactic in combat. Triremes can keep battlefields moving instead of a few ships just strafing one another over and over.

Dolyem

I'd also like to see blind spots for ships. Keeping the targeting zone to only shooting out the sides of large ships and not having a bunch of tab targeted attacks shooting directly out the front of the ship as it gives chase to someone escaping. Positioning should be important

CROW3

I'd want long, medium, and short range directed, ballistic (e.g. arcing) attacks - that are action not target based. So between ship movement and wave action hitting your target effectively will take skill & timing, plus give those ships that don't want to be messed with a chance to escape as best they can.

I'd also like to see a host of boarding techniques, the ability to destroy masts / sails, destroy hull integrity below the water line, and eliminate a ship's crew in order to steal a ship.

Edit: OHHH - and knock players off the deck into the waiting jaws of hungry sharks.

Strevi

Dolyem wrote: »

Another idea, since gunpowder isn't a thing, is ships with little to no firepower(potion launchers), built sturdy/tanky, and meant for a focus on ramming and boarding. Such as Triremes. Allowing for a dynamic to not only have ships with an arsenal but also ships with a different tactic in combat. Triremes can keep battlefields moving instead of a few ships just strafing one another over and over.

Dolyem wrote: »

I'd also like to see blind spots for ships. Keeping the targeting zone to only shooting out the sides of large ships and not having a bunch of tab targeted attacks shooting directly out the front of the ship as it gives chase to someone escaping. Positioning should be important

What is the purpose of potions launchers?
If there are no cannon balls to damage, to make holes and sink the ships... then the potions are meant only against players? Like very long range spells?

Dolyem

Strevi wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Another idea, since gunpowder isn't a thing, is ships with little to no firepower(potion launchers), built sturdy/tanky, and meant for a focus on ramming and boarding. Such as Triremes. Allowing for a dynamic to not only have ships with an arsenal but also ships with a different tactic in combat. Triremes can keep battlefields moving instead of a few ships just strafing one another over and over.

Dolyem wrote: »

I'd also like to see blind spots for ships. Keeping the targeting zone to only shooting out the sides of large ships and not having a bunch of tab targeted attacks shooting directly out the front of the ship as it gives chase to someone escaping. Positioning should be important

What is the purpose of potions launchers?
If there are no cannon balls to damage, to make holes and sink the ships... then the potions are meant only against players? Like very long range spells?

We arent sure yet. My guess is that potion launchers will act as cannons

Dygz

Strevi wrote: »

What is the purpose of potions launchers?
If there are no cannon balls to damage, to make holes and sink the ships... then the potions are meant only against players? Like very long range spells?

Long range spells. I wouldn't rule out Fire damage on ships, though.

Strevi

Dygz wrote: »

Strevi wrote: »

What is the purpose of potions launchers?
If there are no cannon balls to damage, to make holes and sink the ships... then the potions are meant only against players? Like very long range spells?

Long range spells. I wouldn't rule out Fire damage on ships, though.

Can players repair ships in docks?
If yes, then ships can be damaged somehow.

Scarbeus

Using a 'potion cannon' could be like using SPG's in World of Tanks (without top down camera ofc). I'm sure there's a game with better reference to that firing method but I can't think of anything else.

Strevi

Potions which freeze the water could help catching fast ships.

Dolyem

Strevi wrote: »

Potions which freeze the water could help catching fast ships.

oooo I like it, basically a ship stun

Laffreux

I also like ses of thieves, was a lot of fun sailing alone, fighting the bff duo teams and my kamikaze raid !

However, gathering and crafting is always boring in mmo, it is why the cost of building a boat is already to high for my kamikaze attacks !

Wish, there will be node where we can "rent" a boat in order to (at least) enjoy fishing near the coast

Note for myself: find a way to "borrow" the leader flying mount... maybe for kitesurfing

Dolyem

Laffreux wrote: »

I also like ses of thieves, was a lot of fun sailing alone, fighting the bff duo teams and my kamikaze raid !

However, gathering and crafting is always boring in mmo, it is why the cost of building a boat is already to high for my kamikaze attacks !

Wish, there will be node where we can "rent" a boat in order to (at least) enjoy fishing near the coast

Note for myself: find a way to "borrow" the leader flying mount... maybe for kitesurfing

to each their own. I enjoy most aspects of MMOs whether it be crafting, gathering, or pvp

Anyra

I like that in Lost Ark you can have NPC crew members that give bonuses.
I like the way the best ships are super hard to get.
I like that different ships have different pros and cons, ie. Speed, Health, Firepower.

Laffreux

@Dolyem : Most of the time gathering and crafting can be resume to a no brain 'click the button' thing but are also the bread and butter for the ingame mmo economy (selling/buying ressources, rare or epic parts).
A boring must do mecanism because you cannot only rely on loots and rewards for gold and equipment.

Back to your topic, sailing should be simple but hard to master (thanks Riot!), simple enough in order for the most to enjoy and have some fun fishing, treasure hunting, PvE or PvP and hard enough if people aim for challenging PvP and/or PvE end content.
Can't wait to summon and fight Kraken, Cthulhu and more ^^
About PvP, I was thinking about canon ball my crew or myself to board another ship !
It is always better choice to sell a boat and keep the loots instead of sink the boat then dive for its loots ;p

@Anyra : The more diversity the merrier !

Enigmatic Sage

well if there is no cannons/firearms via gun power and the game is high fantasy, chances are it'll be magic orientated whether it be magic cannons, potion launchers or even ballista depending on ship design and siege weapon attachments allowed. Not sure if they'll go as far as mage cannons where certain classes can only fully utilise the artillery but who knows, maybe they will?

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