PvX tilted towards PvE High Risk vs High Reward

Reading the recent threads regarding the Lawless Open Sea, i saw a sentiment from people more PvE oriented, it seems like they believe that the open seas are a area with PvX more tilted towards PvP High Risk vs High Reward and it made think of the possibility of a Area with PvX more tilted towards PvE High Risk vs High Reward.

In this thread, i would like people to discuss and give their opinions and ideas towards the concept of "PvX more tilted towards PvE High Risk vs High Reward".

Let me provide an idea:

Lorewise we know the Underrealm is the place the people who weren't able to leave from Verra fled to escape from corruption, how about making the Underrealm a Area with PvX more tilted towards PvE High Risk vs High Reward.

How so? How about making it an area where you gain more corruption when killing players, killing monsters and death reduces less corruption, monsters there are stronger than monsters on land or sea, you receive PK death penalty when dying to monsters there, some monsters can spawn and ambush you there and the place is as rewarding as the open seas.

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Noaani

George_Black wrote: »

People will come to play AoC no matter how some here cry about pvp oceans, no instanced content, no rp servers, no dps meters etc etc etc.

Indeed, some people will. It would be foolish for anyone to think otherwise.

However, it would be just as foolish to assume that the ocean state, no instanced content and such wont see other people play elsewhere.

To me, as I have said to you in the past, Ashes will be the best version of itself if it attracts some people that play MMO's primarily for the PvE content. This gives Intrepid more money, and PvP players more people to PvP with.

This makes it a better game for literally everyone.

George_Black

I disagree. It's time that the entertainment industry stopped churning out lame products for quick consumption, and make some fine games or shows or movies.
I am 100% sure that the vast majority of those that say "I won't play" will be here at launch. Feel free to believe that the vast majority of them will choose not to play. Not much more to say about that that hasn't alrdy been said.

Mag7spy

This game will gain more attention for not doing like every other mmorpg has done in the past year and cater to PvE players and make another theme park pve mmorpg. PvX and PvP crowd want something different and we are finally getting it after years.

Noaani

George_Black wrote: »

I disagree. It's time that the entertainment industry stopped churning out lame products for quick consumption, and make some fine games or shows or movies.
I am 100% sure that the vast majority of those that say "I won't play" will be here at launch. Feel free to believe that the vast majority of them will choose not to play. Not much more to say about that that hasn't alrdy been said.

I mean, you say you want them to do something different, while also saying you want them to make the same game as L2, Tera, Archeage, BDO et al.

I mean, the average time a subscriber stays in a PvP game vs a PvE game should be screaming at you which of them is designed as the lame product for short term consumption - the thing you claim to want to avoid yet also advocate for.

I agree that someone should make a game that isnt just the same old lame shit. Since every game above is basically just lame ass PvP, and since WoW and FFXIV is just lame ass PvE, the game that does things different is the game that manages to combine these two together well.

George_Black

When did I ever said that I want them to make a bdo, tera or AA?
I dont like any of them. I liked Teras action combat, that's all. AA seemed to me like pointless PvP and profession slavery. L2 was the perfect mmo, even though it didn't had much in the realm of professions and housing/shipping/caravans. Making a gaming without those would be boring.
The rest also is POV, not a fact. We are going in circles. The fact is that we alrdy have too many failed mmos. Why copy their philosophy.

You define combine differently to me. I've talked about what PvX means in essence elsewhere.

akabear

Dygz wrote: »

Okeydoke wrote: »

A million times this. The economic threats and intimidation are so old, weak and tired. Some people masking it behind a supposed genuine worry the game will fail, nonsense, most are just making economic threats and insinuations to try to get their way.

Good chance Ashes will garner populations at least as large as EvE or ArcheAge.

Would love it if Ashes could make and sustain 30k per server like I beleive EvE has the capabiltiy to do..around 10k still worries me..

Mag7spy

Ashes will 1 mill concurrent at launch easy, any developer knows that is possible, its just about retaining the players. Every big streamer will be playing, pushing and marketing the game (mmorpg streamers and fps / shooter ones, action, etc).

They need to make sure the leveling process is fun from 1 to end game. Older mmorps aren't important they were ether killed off by wow liek every single other mmorpg, had p2w, bad gameplay practices with gambling, etc. Anyone trying to compare them is trying to be disingenuous right off the bat so I wouldn't trust them without criticism.

We live in a different age as i've stated before with how new world and lost ark both popped off, people are hungry and will play what is out there, wow doesn't have the same pull it did years ago.

akabear

I think it is hard to explain L2 to those that did not experience its near end game. Yes, it had pvp and there has never been another MMO experience quite a impactful since.

In order to pvp, one had to pve.. UNLESS you were very, very good and managed not to die.. and that fortune was probably only limited to half a dozens pvp`ers on the server.. and when they stuffed up in pvp and died and had to get their xp back like the rest of us, their roar of complaint in chat made every personal loss all the more joyful.

You see in L2, I could lose 2% of my level xp in 2-5min of pvp.. that could take me 4-8hrs to recover in pve time.

I lost 10% one time, defending the doors to for a boss raid, took me 40+ hrs to recover the xp. FOR ONE RAID that I defended for the guild but was not required to participate in (wrong class)

Losses in PvP were hellishly impactful. But there was sooo much PvE required to PvP alot.

It was a PvX game but really 95% pve, 5% pvp (if you so chose)

Comparitively, with Ashes being sooooo easy to get to level cap, I cannot see XP loss being impactful at all.. so then if your good at making money on the market.. you have little to risk in PK, PvP

George_Black

I agree that reaching lv cap in AoC seems to be very easy.
I am starting to see a bond between this whole lose mats on death both in pvp and pve, the goods transportation systems as well as the content progression based on the nodes being the real breaks of progress, as opposed to grinding 8h to get back 0.2%.

Perhaps IS is serious about getting people to be involved with node progression. Perhaps there will be lots more pvp than L2. Perhaps even though it is stated that reaching max lv will take 45d with 8h per day, it will take a lot longer due to all the fun obstacles.

Testing will tell, but I am starting to feel hopeful that the lv cap and all the gear and skills that are locked behind that will become a lot harder to attain.

So far no other mmo has managed to make the journey better than the destination than L2. And that is why with every new expansion in L2, you had a full year of gameplay TRYING to reach the next lv range cap (and all the skills and gear locked behind it).

akabear

New World Beta, I only had a short time to play so did not reach high level and was constant fodder to the high level pvp`ers that were bored. Dropping all inventory and some gear in each death was really hard to deal with. Especially when it got to the stage, I had lost ALL gear and had to re-craft the core lowest level from scratch just to do anything. That was not fun.

However, once learned how to say mostly out of harms way, doing a materials run from one settlement to another highly laden, running the back roads, on high alert, and managing to get the scarce materials to the different settlement and make good coin was a high reward.

With the short runs between nodes in AoC, I can see many negating the caravan system and just "drug running" themselves!

George_Black

Was there anything like karma in NW, to balance things out? Because it makes a big difference.

akabear

In Beta, really don`t know.. Post Beta a different game

akabear

Age of Conan beta and server kickoff was just a cluster "#%2 of pk`ing in semi-naked football team sized mobs. Absolute nonsense..

And a skill from that were a certain class could stealth and go unseen, same class could track the trailing footsteps made for some really fun pvp..

But dead, not so social server was the death of that game for me!

George_Black

Well none of that will happen in AoC so we are all good for the death part.

Mag7spy

akabear wrote: »

Age of Conan beta and server kickoff was just a cluster "#%2 of pk`ing in semi-naked football team sized mobs. Absolute nonsense..

And a skill from that were a certain class could stealth and go unseen, same class could track the trailing footsteps made for some really fun pvp..

But dead, not so social server was the death of that game for me!

I remember AoC, i played on the hardcore PvP server. I jumped off the boat from the tutorial and saw a cleric aoes and knocking back like 10 lowbies and killing them all right off the spawn. I was like i can dig this kind of pvp lmfao

Okeydoke

lol you freakin degen. I missed Conan because of Warhammer Online. They released about 2 months apart from each other and I decided to go with Warhammer. Crazy how many mmos used to come out back then. Every couple years there was something new.

Mag7spy

Okeydoke wrote: »

lol you freakin degen. I missed Conan because of Warhammer Online. They released about 2 months apart from each other and I decided to go with Warhammer. Crazy how many mmos used to come out back then. Every couple years there was something new.

I wanted to try warhammer but ya it was my dad's pc and he was picking the mmorpgs at the time lol. So age of conan it was. I had my own guildy pk me i was pretty pissed as well. My guild picked up some new people since we were moving from shadowbane to AoC at that time.

akabear

Mag7spy wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

Age of Conan beta and server kickoff was just a cluster "#%2 of pk`ing in semi-naked football team sized mobs. Absolute nonsense..

And a skill from that were a certain class could stealth and go unseen, same class could track the trailing footsteps made for some really fun pvp..

But dead, not so social server was the death of that game for me!

I remember AoC, i played on the hardcore PvP server. I jumped off the boat from the tutorial and saw a cleric aoes and knocking back like 10 lowbies and killing them all right off the spawn. I was like i can dig this kind of pvp lmfao

To be honest, I never even thought AoC was going to have pvp.. did not cross my mind. I was just migrating from L2 with the guild that was up for trying something new.

And.. from that experience, I hope helps a few of the non-pvp`er in ashes.. when thrown into the deep end.. if able to try for a while and overcome previous reservations.. pvp can be quite fun! it was just pvp at every corner until past the beginner zones. then levelled out..

Made all the more fun if done with others on same side in voice chat! And, with guild members that have the same level of competitive spirit..
That competitive collective spirit being
a) play to win or
b) play to have go or
c) play just to mess around and don`t give a dam if win or lose (my guild)

Dygz

akabear wrote: »

Made all the more fun if done with others on same side in voice chat! And, with guild members that have the same level of competitive spirit..
That competitive collective spirit being
a) play to win or
b) play to have go or
c) play just to mess around and don`t give a dam if win or lose (my guild)

Haha! I was bit bewildered at first.
I am non-competitive so...

Noaani

George_Black wrote: »

When did I ever said that I want them to make a bdo, tera or AA?
I dont like any of them.

Literally everything you ask for is the way those games have done it, and any time anyone suggests anything that any of those games didnt do, you are against.

I'm curious, you claim that Archeage had pointless PvP - what is it that makes PvP not pointless to you?

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