The problem with having “Tank” as a class name

Hello all, I believe this discussion may have come up before, but I really would like Steven and friends to reconsider the name “Tank”. Overall, they have done a good job at naming the other classes and subclasses, but they ruin the immersion of the game by using the class name “tank”. Tank was a code name given to military vehicles being created in 1915. It has been a slang term for classes and archetypes in many video games given to the role that is used to absorb/mitigate or “tank” damage. Having a class name feels very uncharacteristic compared to the other class names. It’s like naming your cat “Cat”. It’s cute and punny, but is that what they really want for their game? What class do you play? Oh, I play a tank! Yea, but like what class? TANK!! *insert meme of a tank with a face on it... drooling*

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JustVine

Scarbeus wrote: »

This is going to look really silly if the devs announce it was a placeholder name for their least finished character or something! How about we leave issues for this until they do the class reveal and see if they have a new name for it or not. /thread

Tank is already revealed and was playable in alpha 1.

daveywavey

JustVine wrote: »

Scarbeus wrote: »

This is going to look really silly if the devs announce it was a placeholder name for their least finished character or something! How about we leave issues for this until they do the class reveal and see if they have a new name for it or not. /thread

Tank is already revealed and was playable in alpha 1.

Talking of looking really silly.... hahaha!

Sapiverenus

A tank is a container. Water tank, oil tank, et cetera. Tanks tend to be sturdy containers as well.
A Tank class has a large sturdy tank of Health.

Scarbeus

JustVine wrote: »

Scarbeus wrote: »

This is going to look really silly if the devs announce it was a placeholder name for their least finished character or something! How about we leave issues for this until they do the class reveal and see if they have a new name for it or not. /thread

Tank is already revealed and was playable in alpha 1.

Fair enough, I was never there for that. But as we're still in Alpha stages it may still be subject to change. I do have a question though, what classes are finished as far as we are aware? Mage, Cleric, apparently Tank as well and Ranger will be revealed at the end of the month.

maouw

Sapiverenus wrote: »

A tank is a container. Water tank, oil tank, et cetera. Tanks tend to be sturdy containers as well.
A Tank class has a large sturdy tank of Health.

Got it!
Tanks, Fountains and Hoses.

THE LIQUID TRINITY OF MMOs

Theplague4u

Tank has been used for the MMO class that can take a beating for years.

Songcaller

I think tank fits with fighter - both are modern military vehicles.

CROW3

Neurath wrote: »

I think tank fits with fighter - both are modern military vehicles.

In that case, I want my Fighter/Tank class name to be ‘Warthog.’

https://www.historynet.com/a10-warthog-beloved-military-plane-origins/

Dygz

That's already reserved for Mage/Mage.

daveywavey

CROW3 wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I think tank fits with fighter - both are modern military vehicles.

In that case, I want my Fighter/Tank class name to be ‘Warthog.’

https://www.historynet.com/a10-warthog-beloved-military-plane-origins/

I'll take a Eurofighter. They're awesome.

Nepoke

Personally I don't think Tank is a very good name for a class.

Every other archetype (other than mage, which is synonymous to wizard) derives from a common sense DnD class which describe a set of abilities, not their role.
Tank is going to be difficult to bruteforce into the lore vernacular. Any mention to a "tank" in the lore is going to be jarring.
If any other archetype other than Tank is used as a tank within the group, this will cause confusion. And this WILL happen outside of high end pve content.

There is still time to reconsider the name before it's set in stone in Alpha 2!

Sathrago

Nepoke wrote: »

Personally I don't think Tank is a very good name for a class.
Every other archetype (other than mage, which is synonymous to wizard) derives from a common sense DnD class which describe a set of abilities, not their role.

Tank is going to be difficult to bruteforce into the lore vernacular. Any mention to a "tank" in the lore is going to be jarring.

If any other archetype other than Tank is used as a tank within the group, this will cause confusion. And this WILL happen outside of high end pve content.

There is still time to reconsider the name before it's set in stone in Alpha 2!

Nepoke

@Sathrago
I realized I wasn't part of this important point in AoC history yet. I have now redeemed myself as a forum guy.

Also to add to my post, while I listed some negatives, the other important point is that there aren't many positives to having an archetype called "Tank". What's the big benefit? Surely people aren't defending the opinion just because Steven said so?

To paraphrase Steven's argument: "Since everyone will just call it a Tank anyway, why not name it that." Fine logic, but it breaks as soons as someone decides to tank on their fighter for more dps during a group grinding session. Or if someone builds their Tank as a bruiser dps.

Also, why not apply that same logic to DPS or healer? Fighter should be "melee DPS", cleric should be "healer", bards should be "support", and rogues could be "invisible men!" I'm sure the skilled writers at Intrepid could write a story about how the legendary xxxSNiperE1337xxx became the first "Ranged DPS" of his kind and passed on his skills to the brave warriors returning to Verra.

Or alternatively you could just give the "tanky" archetype some arbitrary, commonly accepted and lore friendly name and let people refer to them as tanks when they are tanking.

Depraved

i want the tank to be renamed to "the agro holding, crowd control inducing, high survability person"

Iskiab

Tank is great, it's calling a spade a spade. Plus, people arguing about their class not being the best at tanking go away. If someone chooses a different class they should expect tanks to be better at tanking.

Dygz

Fighter is Fighter
Mage is Mage
Ranger is Ranger
Tank is Tank

They are all lore-friendly.
Everyone already knows that the English language has some irregularities.

Voidwalkers

Nepoke wrote: »

@Sathrago
I realized I wasn't part of this important point in AoC history yet. I have now redeemed myself as a forum guy.

Ashes Forum-Guy checklist:

1. Registered.
2. Fanatically loves OR casually denigrates the Tulnar.
3. Expressed your opinions on the following topics:
- Tank as a class name
- Dual-wielding shields
- Cosmetic cash shop
- Damage meter or similar addons/mechanisms
- Open pvp & "safe" instanced contents
- Proximity voice chat
- Cheaper subscription fee for players from _____ (insert arbitrary region / demographic group) on EU/US servers
4. Witnessed the resurrections of each of the threads above more than once.

....... What else? I'm sure there's something I've missed ...

JustVine

Neurath wrote: »

I think tank fits with fighter - both are modern military vehicles.

-_-

Voidwalkers wrote: »

Nepoke wrote: »

@Sathrago
I realized I wasn't part of this important point in AoC history yet. I have now redeemed myself as a forum guy.

Ashes Forum-Guy checklist:

1. Registered.
2. Fanatically loves OR casually denigrates Tulnar.
3. Expressed your opinions on the following topics:
- Tank as a class name
- Dual-wielding shields
- Cosmetic cash shop
- Damage meter or similar addons/mechanisms
- Open pvp & "safe" instanced contents
- Proximity voice chat
- Cheaper subscription fee for players from _____ (insert arbitrary region / demographic group) on EU/US servers
4. Witnessed the resurrections of all the threads above more than once.

....... What else? I'm sure there's something I've missed ...

Trolling, loving or hating stuffertons whenever cosmetics gets mentioned.

MybroViajero

Noaani

CROW3 wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I think tank fits with fighter - both are modern military vehicles.

In that case, I want my Fighter/Tank class name to be ‘Warthog.’

https://www.historynet.com/a10-warthog-beloved-military-plane-origins/

I've always been more partial to an AC-130 (specifically the j variant lately).

But this may just be my proclivity towards longer range and more firepower.

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