Give me RP servers or give me death. Or no global chat to combat spam.

I know RP servers have been denied at least for the time. But for the love of god can we get something, anything that will ban real life bs like politics from global chats. It's not even about even about RP, it's just about keep the toxic waste out of the game. Yeah I know you can /ignore or whatever, but on a healthy server it's never ending and i just end up turning off the chat.

(Mod note: changed thread title.)

Edit. I've changed the title to something else, that better fits the discription. Because no global chat filter can combat, toxic spam from other players, or gold selling.

I do have to point out the irony in having my original title changed.
RP Server VS Normal Server Global/LFG Chat Messages ****Trump2069****/###CLINTON4ever!###

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Volgaris

Scarbeus wrote: »

No global chat, but guild chat is global imo

Easier to ban bad actors from guild chat. Global you have to ignore trolls, bots, gold sellers, spammers over and over again.

Biccus

Volgaris wrote: »

Easier to ban bad actors from guild chat. Global you have to ignore trolls, bots, gold sellers, spammers over and over again.

This is where having active GMs should help prevent too much spam.
I’m undecided on a global chat. I probably think that many players in one chat room could be a problem. Maybe an opt-in to global chat and default be off.. maybe.

Taaku

Mag7spy wrote: »

Running a small guild with your friends is not the same as running a competitive guild in a game that has OWPvP.

Again assuming...

Mag7spy wrote: »

You disagree while not bringing up any substation points because there are none to stop people from being able to communicate with a global chat...If you don't like global chat don't use it, it won't affect your life bud.

Upset? more like baffled by your lack of points that seams more set on selfishness that giving players the choice to do what they want with their needs for communication in a mmorpg...

I've given lot's of reasons and feedback. You can go back and read them if you want. I don't see why you argue so hard for communication for in game chat in an MMO IMO... global chat in MMO's have been dead since 2005. Because people realized there are better methods of communication mainly. Fourms, vent, teamspeak, discord.
Like I said before, we can disagree, it's totally fine. You don't have to "win" an argument. It's not a fight to the death. lol Devs will do what they think is best based on the feedback.

Mag7spy

Biccus wrote: »

Volgaris wrote: »

Easier to ban bad actors from guild chat. Global you have to ignore trolls, bots, gold sellers, spammers over and over again.

This is where having active GMs should help prevent too much spam.
I’m undecided on a global chat. I probably think that many players in one chat room could be a problem. Maybe an opt-in to global chat and default be off.. maybe.

Easy opt in regions based on filters allowing you to see all region chats in one tab but only able to talk in one region per post. This will be the same as global but stop everyone from talking in every single chat at once more located around locations. This will make them far less busy not that every one will opt into regions all the time or every one of them.

Based on player numbers and how fast test scrolls you add a timer you can post every so often which will slow chat down and not allow one person to keep talking int he chat back and forth the entire time. (though if chat activity is not alot you won't need a timer they need to test or have a good guess on what they expect).

Bots and gold sellers 100% need to be looked into and banned potentially, not everyone will use global / region chat and it should balance out allowing people to communicate and see what is actually going on in chat or simply not care about it.

Play choice should be important and not having more discussions take place out of the game.

Aerlana

Biccus wrote: »

This is where having active GMs should help prevent too much spam.

GM will act on the forbidden part (goldseller and such kind of offer) which is mainly... fighting them (more than their message)
But for the useless spam (which is the most common message on global) It won't be their work... Only harassment/spam of insult due to high amount of salt (or a too big ego)...

And there are also the negativ impact on community mentality as was said before : People will expect other using global chat, and there will be some kind of discrimination for people without the global chat.
It will go on discord ? sure but... lets be honest and real, discord is still minority of activ again. with a non official moderation and we know where it can lead sometime, making discord even less efficient. People will stick to guild announce (which are hardly efficient in global a permanent message with more informations is better).

This is for this i dislike global chat, i think relying on node chat (and would defend to have it created) with various rule (due to how nodes are working) would be more interesting, and fitting more, i think, game philosophy

Biccus

Aerlana wrote: »

And there are also the negativ impact on community mentality as was said before : People will expect other using global chat, and there will be some kind of discrimination for people without the global chat.

This just sounds ridiculous. I’ve never heard of anyone being discriminated against for not being in a chat channel 90% full of flaming and bot spam.
I don’t like global chat personally and I think it’d just get abused.

Aerlana

Biccus wrote: »

Aerlana wrote: »

And there are also the negativ impact on community mentality as was said before : People will expect other using global chat, and there will be some kind of discrimination for people without the global chat.

This just sounds ridiculous. I’ve never heard of anyone being discriminated against for not being in a chat channel 90% full of flaming and bot spam.
I don’t like global chat personally and I think it’d just get abused.

The discrimination is not direct "oh you are not using global chat, get out"...

But simply, People thinking that the best way to get information is to ask global chat will just have no care if you don't like to use it.

Taaku wrote: »

The reason simply having global chat and turning it off doesn't work is because for the people that turn it off and want a more grounded community and close knit feel, whenever they try stopping people and asking a question. People don't respond because they are looked at as stupid for not using global chat. We are trying to build a better community in a game so the game doesn't suck.

This express my thought better than myself

Biccus

Idk are we really implying that players will snub your questions just because you asked them in node chat instead of global?

And people ignoring random questions from strangers is quite unlikely to be because they think you are stupid for not asking in global chat. Just my opinion, though.

Taaku

Biccus wrote: »

Idk are we really implying that players will snub your questions just because you asked them in node chat instead of global?

And people ignoring random questions from strangers is quite unlikely to be because they think you are stupid for not asking in global chat. Just my opinion, though.

You ever try stopping people in an MMO and asking them a question in general chat instead of global chat? Cuz i have and about 80% of the time i'm ignored, 15% of the time i get "look it up on the wiki" or "google it", and maybe 5% of the time i get someone who gives me a short answer.

Biccus

Taaku wrote: »

You ever try stopping people in an MMO and asking them a question in general chat instead of global chat? Cuz i have and about 80% of the time i'm ignored, 15% of the time i get "look it up on the wiki" or "google it", and maybe 5% of the time i get someone who gives me a short answer.

That’s kinda my point, it’s unfortunately an expected behaviour of the general player population. People tend to act like they don’t have time for other people. You’d likely get that response in global chat too, but people won’t waste their time typing it because they can ignore the question, it wasn’t asked to them.

Sapiverenus

Global Chat must be burned to its foundation, and the foundation broken and torn up, then crushed to bits and pieces.

LordXp

No global chat would be great. I would love proximity voice chat. Running into someone and being able to chat them up while adventuring is what I feel grows the community aspect. There's always gonna be assholes but make it easy to mute/block them.

GrinningJack

What about node chat?

Sapiverenus

@LordXp

Nah make it easy to reduce volume to 1% but not 0%. Always got the wisp wisp wisp. I can see a lot of PKers being born from that lol . . .

Volgaris

Even aside from the spam/goldsellers in global, and well all chats. Getting rid of global chat or a chat that has the ability to reach the whole population will amke the world feel bigger. If I spawn and do most my leveling on the east continent and there isn't an in game chat that's telling me what's happening on the west continent I'll either have to go over there or ask some guildies/friends what's going on. The whole idea that all the information and happenings need to be blasted in your face in an mmo is a flaw that leads to an early decline. If the world is actually large enough the other continent could actually feel like a different server. I wouldn't advocate for anything less than a Node level chat, or you'd risk the players feeling like the server is dead.

Sapiverenus

The "world is dead" feel is more from MMOs that have every player converging on one place of it though. Nodes mitigate all of that.
Node layout (like city layout) and path placement will help;

If dirt off the path were "soft" in many places and this created tracks/ ground disturbance and affected Movement Speed. . . .. More players on Paths (especially in deserts) and thus the world feels more alive for TWO reasons.

ariatras

Iandriel wrote: »

RP is going to be even more enhanced in Ashes, because of all the in-game political systems that actually matter. I feel like to get the full experience from this game; you should play on an RP server. So, please have that be a thing!

RP is a lot more then that. Things like slice of life, or just being a peasant. Walking through the streets custom emotes and using your imagination to do more then what the game offers. The interactions, the non-combat or even gameplay related things. Using the world as a medium to create your own stories with like-minded people. Most of the actual in-game mechanics, like the mayoral system or the caravan system will probably not even be utilised by the RP community, at least not within RP. It's much more likely we'll use the system with an imaginary caravan, so the one running the event has some degree of control over the type of encounters a group might run into. Not to mention gives the players time to actually emote their movements, abilities, and skills.

Given the server will be divided into different nodes. Finding people that actually want to RP is already diminished. And no, playing the game isn't the RP we talk about.

To use a DnD analogy. RP is much more about letting your players interact with each other, talk about their lives, their backstories, getting a few drinks, making some friends. The moments in the game where the DM just sits back and enjoys, as no input of the DM is required. Whereas most of the players in an MMO constantly need the DM.

Whilst someone may not personally like to RP. Walking into a tavern and seeing players interact as though they are NPCs in your world helps make it feel alive. Or a group of adventurer's gathered around a campfire as you go along and quest. It'll make the world feel more alive. It's not about segregating the playerbase, as some people have tried to argue. It's about providing the minimal amount of help to those who want to Roleplay to find like-minded people. There don't even need to be additional rules. Don't wilfully interrupt people from enjoying the game (harassment) a rule that should be universal. I don't care if I see players running around with non-rp names. Everyone's welcome on an RP server as long as people don't harass. And if you have roleplay aspirations, you'll probably think twice before naming your character something like digbick or ice-wallow

And, finally, no global chats, thanks!

Mag7spy

ariatras wrote: »

Iandriel wrote: »

RP is going to be even more enhanced in Ashes, because of all the in-game political systems that actually matter. I feel like to get the full experience from this game; you should play on an RP server. So, please have that be a thing!

RP is a lot more then that. Things like slice of life, or just being a peasant. Walking through the streets custom emotes and using your imagination to do more then what the game offers. The interactions, the non-combat or even gameplay related things. Using the world as a medium to create your own stories with like-minded people. Most of the actual in-game mechanics, like the mayoral system or the caravan system will probably not even be utilised by the RP community, at least not within RP. It's much more likely we'll use the system with an imaginary caravan, so the one running the event has some degree of control over the type of encounters a group might run into. Not to mention gives the players time to actually emote their movements, abilities, and skills.

Given the server will be divided into different nodes. Finding people that actually want to RP is already diminished. And no, playing the game isn't the RP we talk about.

To use a DnD analogy. RP is much more about letting your players interact with each other, talk about their lives, their backstories, getting a few drinks, making some friends. The moments in the game where the DM just sits back and enjoys, as no input of the DM is required. Whereas most of the players in an MMO constantly need the DM.

Whilst someone may not personally like to RP. Walking into a tavern and seeing players interact as though they are NPCs in your world helps make it feel alive. Or a group of adventurer's gathered around a campfire as you go along and quest. It'll make the world feel more alive. It's not about segregating the playerbase, as some people have tried to argue. It's about providing the minimal amount of help to those who want to Roleplay to find like-minded people. There don't even need to be additional rules. Don't wilfully interrupt people from enjoying the game (harassment) a rule that should be universal. I don't care if I see players running around with non-rp names. Everyone's welcome on an RP server as long as people don't harass. And if you have roleplay aspirations, you'll probably think twice before naming your character something like digbick or ice-wallow

And, finally, no global chats, thanks!

RP is not a reason for no global chat. Simply turn global chat off for yourself and paly solo or with your smaller group.

MissionCreep

All sales are local, correct? Like there's no magical transporter that lets you buy things across the server and get it delivered to your in-game email?

There's going to be a lot of chat spam for "legitimate" in game economy.
I'm sure there will obviously be a trade chat of some sort but that won't stop people.

As far as global goes, I just open up my chat pane and turn that off, it takes 5 seconds.

MissionCreep

Can we make a chat bounty system?
If the Bounty Hunter finds them and kills them, they don't drop any loot but they can't talk for 1 day. And it goes up with higher bounties.

Also imagine that these servers will have potentially 5x more active players logged in than in other games we might have played.
There could be a LOT of annoying chat.

Hopefully they give us the tools to manage our chat/tabs pretty well, in addition to promoting a lot of chat mods.
(But player mods can get a game into trouble, as well!)

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