Mezcon wrote: » Oreyeon wrote: » Way to lump yourself in with all of the other devs that are ruining gaming with cash shops. I'm super tired of cash shops in these games. Pay real world money for cosmetic or pay to win items. I know that your game doesn't have pay to win stuff, but still. When I play an MMO or ARPG, I expect to be able to have the ability and opportunity to find unique items on my own, without having to pay money to buy them. That is the fun and draw of games like this, DISCOVERY and LOOT. That magic is gone with these stupid and greedy cash shops. I know, I am also tired of modern MMO"s having the coolest looking armor behind a paywall. I am ok with some cosmetic things like, different looks for mounts, but it is a slippery slope to go down. I really miss the days when you got the coolest, most stat strong armor pieces, mounts and player housing material from completing quests, completing Dungeons or Raids or getting a certain amount of accomplishment in PvP, like the old Honor system. I do appreciate that Steven already said they will never have convenience items in the shop, like experience boosters. But I also do NOT want the coolest gear to be in the shop only. So believe me, plenty of people share your opinion, and I hope Intrepid sees that and acts accordingly for the future of this product.
Oreyeon wrote: » Way to lump yourself in with all of the other devs that are ruining gaming with cash shops. I'm super tired of cash shops in these games. Pay real world money for cosmetic or pay to win items. I know that your game doesn't have pay to win stuff, but still. When I play an MMO or ARPG, I expect to be able to have the ability and opportunity to find unique items on my own, without having to pay money to buy them. That is the fun and draw of games like this, DISCOVERY and LOOT. That magic is gone with these stupid and greedy cash shops.
Taaku wrote: » Natasha wrote: » Okay now think of all the people in your same situation who wouldn't find the increased cost justifiable. Because I can tell you there'd be alot out there. We already get people coming in asking about lowered subscription fees due to their country of origin now. Imagine what it would be like if they doubled the price. It's pretty obvious the game would be inaccessible to many. Honestly better that than exploiting peoples FOMO with cash shop items, sales, limited runs of items so people can get thousands of $$$ in debt. How many times have you heard of that happening? And on the stupidest games ever? And it's always people like me that can not afford it. sooo... yeah. I'd rather it be a static amount that can't be exploited.
Natasha wrote: » Okay now think of all the people in your same situation who wouldn't find the increased cost justifiable. Because I can tell you there'd be alot out there. We already get people coming in asking about lowered subscription fees due to their country of origin now. Imagine what it would be like if they doubled the price. It's pretty obvious the game would be inaccessible to many.
Oreyeon wrote: » When I play an MMO or ARPG, I expect to be able to have the ability and opportunity to find unique items on my own, without having to pay money to buy them. That is the fun and draw of games like this, DISCOVERY and LOOT. That magic is gone with these stupid and greedy cash shops.
Taaku wrote: » Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise you'd be paying way more without them. I personally don't. Just saying... it's a big problem. And I'd rather it not be a problem. Exploiting people for profit is still exploiting people. It's still scummy, and it's why gaming as a whole is in such a crappy place right now.
Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise you'd be paying way more without them.
Taaku wrote: » I personally don't. Just saying... it's a big problem. And i'd rather it not be a problem. Exploiting people for profit is still exploiting people. It's still scummy, and it's why gaming as a whole is in such a crappy place right now.
Noaani wrote: » Taaku wrote: » I personally don't. Just saying... it's a big problem. And i'd rather it not be a problem. Exploiting people for profit is still exploiting people. It's still scummy, and it's why gaming as a whole is in such a crappy place right now. You have a bit of a misread of the situation. Game developers or publishers that charge full price for a game, and then nickle and dime players via cash shop on top of that are a problem. Developers that have any form of gambling that involves real money expenditure are a problem. Developers that legitimately find their game via cash shops are not the problem. Not at all. If Ashes had a box cost to it, charged for additional content and charged players a subscription, then we would all be complaining about the game also having a cash shop. However, they opted to not have a box cost, and also to not charge for additional content. As such, even with a subscription, having a cash shop is perfectly fine. It is perfectly valid to swap one income stream for another, the issue is when it is an addition rather than a swap. As to FOMO, I have literally never come across anyone that "suffers" from it. As far as I can tell, it is simply a made up term that people with no self control devised. If it is indeed something you consider you "suffer" from, I would then have to ask you how you handled things like the Bentley Continental GT Speed Brietling Jet Team Series. Only 7 of those were ever made - you didnt miss out on one did you? If a person has a legitimate issue with missing out on limited time offers, they simply would not be able to function in the modern world. This would be a serious issue, and no doubt there would be an abundance of professional help offered. This is why I cwnt see people complaining about "FOMO" as anything other than using it as a disguise for some other issue they have with the cash shop (I assume it is the misread above), and misrepresenting it as some issue that people have.
Deadfool wrote: » Noaani wrote: » I see no issues with cash shop because it keeps the subscription price down. The only thing that worries me is (this may have been answered before, i just didn't look for the answer) the possibility of people buying stuff and then selling them to other players for in game currency. If you know the answer to that, please do let me know I am pretty sure this has already been addressed. It will not happen.
Noaani wrote: » I see no issues with cash shop because it keeps the subscription price down. The only thing that worries me is (this may have been answered before, i just didn't look for the answer) the possibility of people buying stuff and then selling them to other players for in game currency. If you know the answer to that, please do let me know
Deadfool wrote: » I see no issues with cash shop because it keeps the subscription price down. The only thing that worries me is (this may have been answered before, i just didn't look for the answer) the possibility of people buying stuff and then selling them to other players for in game currency. If you know the answer to that, please do let me know
Tyranthraxus wrote: » Everytime this thread gets re-made, I'm always surprised no one brings it up any sooner: It's specifically been stated and re-stated in the monthly dev update videos that you will 1) be able to get a variant of anything in the cash shop by looting/crafting it in-game, and 2) the best-looking variants of each set of armor/clothing are reserved for in-game achievement. Given this information, your complaint boils down to: "NO! NOOOOOOO! I don't WANT people to look the way THEY want to, until they've played for SEVERAL MONTHS!" Just remember: not everyone coming to Verra will be of the lower-classes nor a resource-less orphan; There will be nobility and well-off individuals accompanying the Return. I'm just super-glad that the only things that the cash shop will sell are cosmetic-only items; No one's going to have the ability to turn real cash into in-game money.
Taaku wrote: » Again just because you or I do not personally suffer from this type of behavior does not mean it does not exist and it is a huge problem. So... sorry for trying to help people I guess?
WHIT3ROS3 wrote: » How do people expect games like these to be viable? Where do people think money for something like this comes from? There needs to be income generated somewhere. Let's say a server has 8000 players. At $15 per month, per player that's only $120,000 per month per server. I don't know how many servers AoC hopes to have but I think it is entirely reasonable to put world-building cosmetic assets up for Sale which allows for people to contribute to the development of the project and for additional income to be generated. As long as the lion's share of development is put into creating plenty of cool in-game achievable items then I see it as a perfectly acceptable way to generate some money. Having a "Cosmetic package" each month with a sub-cost is entirely reasonable. (You don't have to buy them you know) I do think that Intrepid would do themselves a big favor if each Dev update when they show the Cosmetic pack items, they also showed an in-game achievable set.
Abarat wrote: » You forgot to tell us that you will NEVER play the game. you should consider editing your post, so you can be in the ever growing group who feels the need to come here and tell us they will not be playing.
Aerlana wrote: » I hate cash shop in subscription MMORPG, and i am always fast to remember that this pandora's box was opened by... blizzard during WOTLK, (and not even a activision decision ! ) FFXIV makes me hate it even more, on wow this cash shop grew (and grow) slowly, for FFXIV it is every 2 week a new thing or more. For ashes of creation i have also a problem with this monthly addition of things while the game is still a dream. My problem is not "i don't have money to all those" ... i totally fall for it on BDO, where my Dark Knight has 80% of the outfits (and probably all weapons/awakening weapons) Now, lets get real... 15 or 20 years ago, the sub was 15 bucks or close (vary from games to other) and today... 15 bucks... salary did stagnate ? sure servers probably are cheaper to maintain now than before, but all employees, be it developers or people working on servers cost more now than 10, 15 or 20 years ago... So price stagnate, cost rises... Need to explain more ? Not even need to debate about benefits to point that there is a need to get more income... I personally would totally prefer a 20 bucks sub, and would be ok to go up to 25... i prefer a game with a subscription, and "all same for everyone" as it was in "the good old days"... But you, the op, could you be ok for such prices to play ?
Sathrago wrote: » Taaku wrote: » Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise youd be paying way more without them. I personally don't. Just saying... it's a big problem. And i'd rather it not be a problem. Exploiting people for profit is still exploiting people. It's still scummy, and it's why gaming as a whole is in such a crappy place right now. Yet the problem is reality and it cannot be changed without massive repercussions. So you cant really expect things to change. Sorry.
Taaku wrote: » Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise youd be paying way more without them. I personally don't. Just saying... it's a big problem. And i'd rather it not be a problem. Exploiting people for profit is still exploiting people. It's still scummy, and it's why gaming as a whole is in such a crappy place right now.
Natasha wrote: » Bruh. Don't buy shit you cant afford then? Exercise some personal responsibility? All you need to play the game is the base sub cost of 15 dollars a month, expansions are free. No one is forcing you to buy pixels. Let all the whale lords purchase 10 bazillion dollars worth of cosmetics that don't do anything in order to keep the cost of the game low for people like you with no money. Otherwise youd be paying way more without them.
