Value Pre-Order Pack

Why not think about countries where the currency is totally undervalued, and put a more affordable price for the rest?
Sort of seeing where the purchase is being made from and recalculating the value.

I'm from Brazil and to buy the package of 375 dollars I would have to pay 2 thousand reais, which is almost 2 minimum wages, it is unfeasible for most people.

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Hasil

NiKr wrote: »

Hasil wrote: »

Is that 2 hours of work for minimum wages, do you mean? Or 2 days, or 2 weeks?

Pretty sure they mean 2 months-worth. With the current exchange rate even the $250 pack is right about 1.5 months of minimum wage (in Ukraine that is).

That's a lot of money. . .

Ludullu

Hasil wrote: »

That's a lot of money. . .

Which is why OP made this thread

Mag7spy

@NiKr when we we pre ordering so we can pvp c;. (i only need to raise mine up one level)

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

NiKr when we we pre ordering so we can pvp c;. (i only need to raise mine up one level)

I'm gonna buy it when we get a concrete date on Alpha2. I don't care about the cosmetics so I'm just waiting for the alpha to become a reality. Luckily enough I have the money for it, so that's not a problem.

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

NiKr when we we pre ordering so we can pvp c;. (i only need to raise mine up one level)

I'm gonna buy it when we get a concrete date on Alpha2. I don't care about the cosmetics so I'm just waiting for the alpha to become a reality. Luckily enough I have the money for it, so that's not a problem.

Good i need a rival lmao

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

Good i need a rival lmao

That'll only happen if there's only one alpha2 server and iirc even alpha1 had a few. And if, by chance, they'll have an EU server then I'm definitely gonna be playing there most of the time (with a bit of NA one to help Azherae with testing).

Hinotori

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Good i need a rival lmao

That'll only happen if there's only one alpha2 server and iirc even alpha1 had a few. And if, by chance, they'll have an EU server then I'm definitely gonna be playing there most of the time (with a bit of NA one to help Azherae with testing).

Awesome I can follow you around all the buildings in town block the exits when you try to leave

Liniker

Hasil wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

I'm from Brazil as well, I have the largest Brazilian guild for Ashes, and we have over 100 members that paid the 2 minimum wages for the alpha 2 access

Is that 2 hours of work for minimum wages, do you mean? Or 2 days, or 2 weeks?

lol, for most people in brazil, it's 2 months of work for the 375$ pack

Sapiverenus

Natasha wrote: »

I'm happy for you or sorry that happened.

Just say you don't know how to respond instead of implying trauma lmao.

How insulting can you fuckers get. The hypocrisy. . .

Sapiverenus

Talents wrote: »

cleberto wrote: »

Why not think about countries where the currency is totally undervalued, and put a more affordable price for the rest?
Sort of seeing where the purchase is being made from and recalculating the value.

I'm from Brazil and to buy the package of 375 dollars I would have to pay 2 thousand reais, which is almost 2 minimum wages, it is unfeasible for most people.

Because what's stopping people from just VPN'ing to Brazil or whatever and paying Brazil price instead of the intended price for the packages?

Their payment method I guess. Card Holder. Or Paypal bank location. Also, currency type which might have identifying 'gates' they have to go through to convert online. . .
Not sure lol. I'm betting it's less of an issue than you might be worried about though.

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Good i need a rival lmao

That'll only happen if there's only one alpha2 server and iirc even alpha1 had a few. And if, by chance, they'll have an EU server then I'm definitely gonna be playing there most of the time (with a bit of NA one to help Azherae with testing).

Id just make characters on both servers, unless they don't let you do that.

SongRune

Mag7spy wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Good i need a rival lmao

That'll only happen if there's only one alpha2 server and iirc even alpha1 had a few. And if, by chance, they'll have an EU server then I'm definitely gonna be playing there most of the time (with a bit of NA one to help Azherae with testing).

Id just make characters on both servers, unless they don't let you do that.

Alpha-1 allowed you to make characters on as many servers as you wanted. I had Resna, Norlan, Lyneth, ??? (probably Tenok), and they only mentioned those four in the server status announcements. (No idea why the wiki's screenshoter had more options.) That does seem to imply I could've played in both US-East and EU-West if I wanted to, though.

Asgerr

Natasha wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Good i need a rival lmao

That'll only happen if there's only one alpha2 server and iirc even alpha1 had a few. And if, by chance, they'll have an EU server then I'm definitely gonna be playing there most of the time (with a bit of NA one to help Azherae with testing).

Awesome I can follow you around all the buildings in town block the exits when you try to leave

Once Alpha 2 comes out we need a thread for all of us forum regulars to plan on which servers to play-test together for extra fun

KeeperBrGO

Ai sim mano dale nesles

Rhorden

Noaani wrote: »

Rhorden wrote: »

Wouldn't it be better if they stopped doing this cosmetic garbage altogether and just put these skins in the game that way anyone that wants them bad enough could earn them and not have to be screwed over because of out of reach monetization.

I dont think you understand development very well.

If you are charging for skins, you dont pull them from the game. You hire an artist to make them - an artist that is paid for by the money from the skins they produce.

Having a cash shop selling skins doesnt mean less skins in the game, it means about the same amount in the game, plus those on the store.

True I haven't developed a game but I do understand businesses as I have ran a few. When setting up a business plan you consider the cash on hand, the working capitol, and what it will cover. The income stream is cash coming in based on billable items going out.
What you are saying is the skins are the billable items going out. This is factually incorrect because Steven has stated this game is already funded to completion, no need for anyone to purchase anything. Steven is no stranger to business which means these packages were considered ahead of time and factored into the overall cost and covered by the investment capitol he had set aside for this project. This means the money from those skins was never designated to fund anything. The alternative is he does need the money to continue development of the project and he has lied to us. I do not feel that is the case at all.
If you are someone working a piece meal job then yes, your pay would be directly related to the work you did. Since I don not know the inner working of Intrepid I can't say with 100% certainty but I am 99% sure the people making these skins are employed directly through Intrepid and are not working piece meal. If they weren't employed by Intrepid then yes the money income could very well be funding those projects but the cost to Intrepid would most likely be considerably higher as well.

You are right that having a cash shop doesn't mean less skins in the game. It just means less skins people have access to if they can't afford it. That's always a fun prospect for people that like what someone is wearing but don't have the funds.

Just as a side question, you said "I dont think you understand development very well." Could you provide your background in game development so that I can better understand your authority in making that statement.

Halae

Rhorden wrote: »

You are right that having a cash shop doesn't mean less skins in the game. It just means less skins people have access to if they can't afford it. That's always a fun prospect for people that like what someone is wearing but don't have the funds.

Not trying to get in between the debate you two are having here, but I'd like to remind you guys that the statement multiple times has been that the cosmetic costumes they're making are being chopped up and used as gear pieces for the final game. The idea is that purchasing a cosmetic pack gets you a complete look, and one that goes on over your armor as a cosmetic layer without the need for a transmog system, but you can't really modify it. Those assets are still being used for the final game, and not just for cosmetic pack holders like a lot of people seem to believe.

Development of assets isn't being separated out for these sets. They're part of the gear that's being made for the game proper.

Noaani

Rhorden wrote: »

What you are saying is the skins are the billable items going out. This is factually incorrect because Steven has stated this game is already funded to completion, no need for anyone to purchase anything. Steven is no stranger to business which means these packages were considered ahead of time and factored into the overall cost and covered by the investment capitol he had set aside for this project. This means the money from those skins was never designated to fund anything.

He has also said the current packs are there purely for people that wish to support the game, and suggested to people to not buy them unless support is their main motivator.

As pointed out in the above post, the character skins created for pre-order packs are being used in the game, and so are a part of regular development.

I'm curious, in all of your businesses that you have run, have you ever spun up a new business unit?

Depraved

the project is funded to completion, assuming the finish when they have planned to finish. what if the project extends an extra year or 2 or even a month? the packages can cover that cost

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

the project is funded to completion, assuming the finish when they have planned to finish. what if the project extends an extra year or 2 or even a month? the packages can cover that cost

Steven has that covered.

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

the project is funded to completion, assuming the finish when they have planned to finish. what if the project extends an extra year or 2 or even a month? the packages can cover that cost

Steven has that covered.

no, he doesnt. he doesnt have unlimited money. he has a cash flow though, but not sure if he makes more than what he spends every month.

i think he said it himself, the game is funded through completion as long as he the development doesnt extend for too long.

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