Basic Range Weapon Attack discussion

This discussion was created from comments split from: [Feedback Request] Basic Range Weapon Attack Update and Ranger Demo Discussed in Sept. Livestream.

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CROW3

Sapiverenus wrote: »

You don't know if the 30 - 60s time to kill is balanced around action combat misses/ maneuvering moreso than already shown either.

Truth. But I haven’t asserted that’s the case. Only that the planned TTK is 30-60s and we haven’t seen that in any footage yet.

Why not?

Do you support first-person or over-shoulder aimed shots for Ranger specific abilities?

Either is fine.

With some tab here and there?

It’s fine.

Guaranteed hit on target with third shot type stuff; or after a meter is filled type stuff?

Not a big fan of power meters. ‘Guaranteed’ hit with action based on reticle, stat-driven hit for tab.

Homing shots that might not be the best but they home-in?

That’s a good topic in and of itself. My preference is that action shots are not homing. Tab shots are if the ‘to hit’ roll was successful, but doesn’t hit if the target moves out of the projectile’s range before it hits. I’m not totally fixed on that though.

Guaranteed basic hit, after being damaged, against the last person that damaged you [maybe with a 4 second cooldown]?

No.

Sapiverenus

CROW3 wrote: »

Sapiverenus wrote: »

You don't know if the 30 - 60s time to kill is balanced around action combat misses/ maneuvering moreso than already shown either.

Truth. But I haven’t asserted that’s the case. Only that the planned TTK is 30-60s and we haven’t seen that in any footage yet.

Why not?

Do you support first-person or over-shoulder aimed shots for Ranger specific abilities?

Either is fine.

With some tab here and there?

It’s fine.

Guaranteed hit on target with third shot type stuff; or after a meter is filled type stuff?

Not a big fan of power meters. ‘Guaranteed’ hit with action based on reticle, stat-driven hit for tab.

Homing shots that might not be the best but they home-in?

That’s a good topic in and of itself. My preference is that action shots are not homing. Tab shots are if the ‘to hit’ roll was successful, but doesn’t hit if the target moves out of the projectile’s range before it hits. I’m not totally fixed on that though.

Guaranteed basic hit, after being damaged, against the last person that damaged you [maybe with a 4 second cooldown]?

No.

I'd rather Tab be lame and underpowered but guaranteed hit, with mostly action combat aiming.
No meta-gaming gear statting crap that throws a wrench into every veteran MMO players brain when they try and think about action combat, and makes action combat's effectiveness more arbitrary. . .

Autoshot against last person that struck you if your reticle passes over them within 2 seconds (every 4 seconds), softlock on person that you're tabbed to (small, maybe a doubling of player radius or a bit less), easy retargetting for those with good aim such as Press E and target person you're hovering over, and a weak auto-attack against those you're tabbed on seems like the best version of Hybrid combat.
Movement and AoE abilities are still basically easy in this version of things.

The rest of the game can and should exist as much of its own thing just as combat is much of its own thing. So for those that like slower strategy, they can do other stuff. For those that like a bit of combat, tactics & some strategy, they can work with those that are good at action combat and with other aspects of combat such logistics, planning, traps, setup, whatever; like an officer or platoon leader.

If Node stuff is Amazing, if resource management was a serious thing, if traps were some advanced thing, then Sharif would feel less scared of action combat and [variable] inertia.

Silly game . . .

Mayhem

plopping a few examples here. 21.08

https://youtu.be/0257a-goFwE?t=1268 Steven is able to blind fire here, but notice he does not have a target near the reticle (i tested this with wand in A1 and you were able to do the same if no target was near your reticle) but as soon as you have a target the projectiles go to the nearest enemy and the projectiles do hone in

Mag7spy

Honestly i have no issues with projectiles moving like that in a mmorpg for combat. If it is soft lock and you need to track your target that is good enough skill ceiling for me doesn't need t be pin point that isn't really needed aka head shots. T(here should still be skillful long range shots)

The other layer of skill ceiling would come from your abilities and your movement and it be perfect for action combat.

Liniker

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/xuylzn/for_people_who_havent_played_gw2_and_dont_realize/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

LordBlank

Mag7spy wrote: »

Honestly i have no issues with projectiles moving like that in a mmorpg for combat. If it is soft lock and you need to track your target that is good enough skill ceiling for me doesn't need t be pin point that isn't really needed aka head shots. T(here should still be skillful long range shots)

The other layer of skill ceiling would come from your abilities and your movement and it be perfect for action combat.

Or you can get gud

Mag7spy

LordBlank wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Honestly i have no issues with projectiles moving like that in a mmorpg for combat. If it is soft lock and you need to track your target that is good enough skill ceiling for me doesn't need t be pin point that isn't really needed aka head shots. T(here should still be skillful long range shots)

The other layer of skill ceiling would come from your abilities and your movement and it be perfect for action combat.

Or you can get gud

There is a balance when it comes to mmorpgs, it is a action combat after all. It needs to be balanced against melee.

XiraelAcaron

Mayhem wrote: »

XiraelAcaron wrote: »

Did anyone actually confirm that projectiles were seeking? Did you see that in the video? Or did you just assume that? Honest question, I did not do an in-depth analysis of the video.

To clarify: by seeking I mean does the projectile adjusts the trajectory while flying based on movement of the target that was originally selected? I do not mean seeking in the sense of initially selecting the target near the reticle.

Yes you can clearly see here steven aiming purposefully over the target 21.26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0257a-goFwE&t=1286s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0257a-goFwE&t=1348s
here he's aiming completely off target and still hits, watch in slower speed 22.28

+ 20.54 hits the left target

That is not what i meant by seeking. Maybe projectile tracking/homing would be a better name for it. The target does not really move in these cases. The question is would the projectile adjust course if the target(!) moved or dodged once the projectile is in the air.

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