IMPORTANCE OF AMMUNITION IN THE RANGER CLASS ARCHETI

Good afternoon, I open this discussion to be able to talk about the ammunition in the ranger class and why it is important that it be implemented, giving importance at the same time to the class of gathering wood and other minerals to be able to create ammunition of variable qualities with special effects for ranger class attacks, giving effects or boost to elemental skills, etc.

That they can be crafted and traded in the game market and depending on time in some regions to find quality materials for their creation.

In my opinion, I understand what many indicate that it is something that limits the ranger a lot, the detail is that I understand that they indicate all those disadvantages because they compare them with the other classes, without taking into account that the rangers and other classes of damage to distance have a style and soul different from the others, this is a class of physical or elemental damage of mechanical effort of the character's body causing damage at a distance in which he uses a bow of any possible material that is available or there may even be weapons of fire too, its not like magic which can be instant or anything like that, ammo would add some interesting complexity not to mention the added effects that can be depending on what ammo is used.

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Mag7spy

Rhorden wrote: »

@Mag7spy

You do realize when you put something in quotes you are saying that someone said those words, right? I never said what you quoted. Is lying fun for you or is it like an affliction?

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7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
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Are not capable of understanding design or saying things based off design and you are mad above. If you have a bad idea and people agree don't cry about it. No one is going to argue for new systems when current one using magic is a great decision.

I can tell how emotional you are getting over this, taking criticism is most likely not your best suit. Nor being able to convince me to use arrows with not good ideas based on the design of the game. Instead you waste time talking about nonsense.

Game design isn't magic btw, if you say ideas that are not in line with the design no one is going to take them seriously. Keep talking about this fluff or wasting time complaining about quotes or lies which is simply just your own perspective and is fluff that will not help you push people crafting and buying tens of thousands of arrows for 0 or weak reasons. While also not using your brain and understanding my own points.

Vaknar

Hello all!

Let's ensure we follow the forum rules, especially rule 6: Be well unto others, and respect each other.

Let's also make sure we're remaining on-topic ^_^

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I saw someone suggest different quiver / arrow effects which I thought was thought provoking. I'd love to hear your thoughts on different ammo types and if you have any favorite examples from other games.

Vaknar

Sathrago wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

Like many things, once Alpha Two has been released and the game is in all of our hands, it will be easier to form opinions on these things! You never know which opinions may change once actually playing the game.

If we receive overwhelming feedback during testing that players want ammunition, then we will of course make the consideration!

i dont see how you could go back and add ammunition after having infinite ammo in the first place. You would be removing a convenience that is in quite a few games these days. If you want to decide between the two you would need to have limited ammo first.

This is the point of Alpha and Beta testing! ^_^

Steven has decided that bows will not have ammunition. That has been decided. However, as I mentioned before, If we receive overwhelming feedback during testing that players want ammunition, then we will of course make the consideration

Rhorden

@Mag7spy

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Mag7spy

Rhorden wrote: »

@Mag7spy

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Why are you copy pasting this again lmfao actually trolling.

Mag7spy

Vaknar wrote: »

Hello all!

Let's ensure we follow the forum rules, especially rule 6: Be well unto others, and respect each other.

Let's also make sure we're remaining on-topic ^_^

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I saw someone suggest different quiver / arrow effects which I thought was thought provoking. I'd love to hear your thoughts on different ammo types and if you have any favorite examples from other games.

Quiver can be a off hand (so bows would be the main hand and secondary weapon would be quiver) for gear pieces. You can allow some types of quivers to have a special effect you have access to special types of arrows so one example would be 20 arrows and it would have a duration as well before they would go away.

These arrows could have any amount of special stats or damage increase. So poison maybe could be done akin to elden ring as an example as if you get hit by enough it builds a stack and applies that effect to the target.

Bows could have their own type of effect on it, but the quiver would be able to override it allowing to potentially apply to different elemental stacks as well.

It could be a mix of a draw back and strength since there would be a clear cooldown based on the gear on how often you can use that buff and have access to those arrows for a set amount of shots.

Rhorden

Mag7spy wrote: »

Rhorden wrote: »

@Mag7spy

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Why are you copy pasting this again lmfao actually trolling.

Because you keep flagging my name. If you have ANYTHING to add to further game discussion based on common sense, logic, creative ideas then I am willing to listen and discuss that. You bring nothing to the conversation.
As it stands you refuse to acknowledge the points I have brought up, questions I bring up, you intentionally post fake quotes, you have lied multiple times and been caught doing it. You aren't interested in back and forth discussion to foster better ideas or game play. You only stick to the imbecilic idea of game design and realism arguments which is absurd. Have you ever considered how they have come to make the decisions that they have and that game design is a flexible concept? Of course not.
The "realism" stance is insanely ignorant as I am not the one that argued for, or against, realism. You were. 2 times I mentioned realistic or realism. The first time was in my first post in which, even a 5th grader can see, it's a word that can be switched out with the word "practical". Meaning I'm looking for an approach that makes sense. I thought that to be obvious especially when I mentioned mana arrows, cause we all know how real those are. You said mana arrows were naive but then, in typical fashion, wouldn't elaborate. It had absolutely nothing to do with realism in the game.
The second time was in a question to you. That question severed 2 purposes. First, was to see where your deciding line was when talking about realism so were could actually have a conversation that would forward ideas. The 2nd purpose was to see if you would answer it, which I was sure you wouldn't, and you didn't. In that case it told me exactly the type of person I was dealing with.
The realism argument is an argument of your own making. You are literally arguing with yourself. It makes me think of the adage "who's the bigger fool" with a new twist. The "game plan for debates" is very accurate and it is the only thing I will post in response to anything you post about me unless it pertains to the game AND furthers discussion of ideas. Since I do not believe you have the capacity for that then there is no point in talking to me, about me or flagging my name.

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Mag7spy

Rhorden wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Rhorden wrote: »

@Mag7spy

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Why are you copy pasting this again lmfao actually trolling.

Because you keep flagging my name. If you have ANYTHING to add to further game discussion based on common sense, logic, creative ideas then I am willing to listen and discuss that. You bring nothing to the conversation.
As it stands you refuse to acknowledge the points I have brought up, questions I bring up, you intentionally post fake quotes, you have lied multiple times and been caught doing it. You aren't interested in back and forth discussion to foster better ideas or game play. You only stick to the imbecilic idea of game design and realism arguments which is absurd. Have you ever considered how they have come to make the decisions that they have and that game design is a flexible concept? Of course not.
The "realism" stance is insanely ignorant as I am not the one that argued for, or against, realism. You were. 2 times I mentioned realistic or realism. The first time was in my first post in which, even a 5th grader can see, it's a word that can be switched out with the word "practical". Meaning I'm looking for an approach that makes sense. I thought that to be obvious especially when I mentioned mana arrows, cause we all know how real those are. You said mana arrows were naive but then, in typical fashion, wouldn't elaborate. It had absolutely nothing to do with realism in the game.
The second time was in a question to you. That question severed 2 purposes. First, was to see where your deciding line was when talking about realism so were could actually have a conversation that would forward ideas. The 2nd purpose was to see if you would answer it, which I was sure you wouldn't, and you didn't. In that case it told me exactly the type of person I was dealing with.
The realism argument is an argument of your own making. You are literally arguing with yourself. It makes me think of the adage "who's the bigger fool" with a new twist. The "game plan for debates" is very accurate and it is the only thing I will post in response to anything you post about me unless it pertains to the game AND furthers discussion of ideas. Since I do not believe you have the capacity for that then there is no point in talking to me, about me or flagging my name.

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Did you not read the above post you can stop trolling now.

Rhorden

Mag7spy wrote: »

Rhorden wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Rhorden wrote: »

@Mag7spy

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Why are you copy pasting this again lmfao actually trolling.

Because you keep flagging my name. If you have ANYTHING to add to further game discussion based on common sense, logic, creative ideas then I am willing to listen and discuss that. You bring nothing to the conversation.
As it stands you refuse to acknowledge the points I have brought up, questions I bring up, you intentionally post fake quotes, you have lied multiple times and been caught doing it. You aren't interested in back and forth discussion to foster better ideas or game play. You only stick to the imbecilic idea of game design and realism arguments which is absurd. Have you ever considered how they have come to make the decisions that they have and that game design is a flexible concept? Of course not.
The "realism" stance is insanely ignorant as I am not the one that argued for, or against, realism. You were. 2 times I mentioned realistic or realism. The first time was in my first post in which, even a 5th grader can see, it's a word that can be switched out with the word "practical". Meaning I'm looking for an approach that makes sense. I thought that to be obvious especially when I mentioned mana arrows, cause we all know how real those are. You said mana arrows were naive but then, in typical fashion, wouldn't elaborate. It had absolutely nothing to do with realism in the game.
The second time was in a question to you. That question severed 2 purposes. First, was to see where your deciding line was when talking about realism so were could actually have a conversation that would forward ideas. The 2nd purpose was to see if you would answer it, which I was sure you wouldn't, and you didn't. In that case it told me exactly the type of person I was dealing with.
The realism argument is an argument of your own making. You are literally arguing with yourself. It makes me think of the adage "who's the bigger fool" with a new twist. The "game plan for debates" is very accurate and it is the only thing I will post in response to anything you post about me unless it pertains to the game AND furthers discussion of ideas. Since I do not believe you have the capacity for that then there is no point in talking to me, about me or flagging my name.

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Did you not read the above post you can stop trolling now.

What do you think about mana arrows?
You wont answer.

Mag7spy - game plan for debates -
1) Make up fake quotes.
2) Lie.
3) Do not address anything said by the other party when caught in a Lie.
4) Do not address and any rebuttals by the other party.
5) Do not address any questions from the other party.
6) When call out and asked to give examples, turn the table and say examples are stupid.
7) When called out about anything else hide behind the magic "Game Design" shield.
7) The most important rule! Always make sure to never engage in any creative discussion at all.

Alldbiscuits

Rangers should have ammo. Not having ammo in the game removes a massive part of class uniqueness. There is a great opportunity here for the ranger class to have its own unique profession in Arrow crafting

ariatras

Again, I'm all for ammo because it opens up additional gameplay, especially when you take into account elemental type arrowheads. Or what about non-advertised/hidden materials in a few rare places that allow you to create some rather powerful arrows, reward your exploring, and knowledge of the land.

Not having it is in a sense more limiting, and frankly more boring. (Example: You'll just have a skill that adds poison damage, something you hardly think about as it's just a button in your rotation.)

Ninja Kitty

this seems unnecessarily complex, but a cool idea none-the-less.

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