NiKr wrote: » ShadonSol wrote: » Citizenship is required to own housing, including freeholds, but there will be a permission system to allow other characters to access certain functions of your freehold (like entering, crafting, storage, etc.). @ShadonSol The wording here is what's making me confused. The "one node between those three" instead of smth like "only one char can be a citizen" or anything along those lines. Maybe it's because english is not my first language and I just haven't heard the "between those ..." sentence structure before, but it really confused me.
ShadonSol wrote: » Citizenship is required to own housing, including freeholds, but there will be a permission system to allow other characters to access certain functions of your freehold (like entering, crafting, storage, etc.).
NiKr wrote: » "Your account is bound to one declared citizenship per server, which means that if you have two alts and your main character on one server you may only be a citizen of one node between those three... If you have an alt on a different server, it could be a citizen of a node as well.[9] – Steven Sharif"@ShadonSol The wording here is what's making me confused. The "one node between those three" instead of smth like "only one char can be a citizen" or anything along those lines. Maybe it's because english is not my first language and I just haven't heard the "between those ..." sentence structure before, but it really confused me.
Halae wrote: » I might be wrong on specific details, but that's my understanding of the situation as it stands.
unknownsystemerror wrote: » That he is saying that citizenship is required for housing is probably where the confusion lies. Because it isn't. You get housing, then you choose to gain citizenship
Halae wrote: » "Only one citizenship may be declared per account, per server" is what the wiki says, though that's not a direct quote from Steven. Until something contradicts it, I think this is an account-wide thing. If you're a citizen on one character, that's true for your entire account. This is likely to prevent easy espionage by letting you have a character that's going to be in a node war with your other character.
worddog wrote: » You can only have one freehold per account. Doesn't this massively incentivize having multiple accounts? If my alts can't own property doesn't that make them much less useful? If I need to pay $15 a month per alt account how is that not P2W?
Summpwner wrote: » The argument that "I could hire another person to play an alt account for me and thus give me access to a second freehold, so the game is P2W" is not unique to this game and most people would not consider it as P2W.
worddog wrote: » Summpwner wrote: » ... and double his production all by himself. This is NOT what would be happening. They are actually reducing their production considerably while they level the second profession. The OPPORTUNITY COST of doing everything yourself instead of outsourcing all but the most profitable processes usually outweighs.
Summpwner wrote: » ... and double his production all by himself.
Summpwner wrote: » This is NOT what would be happening. They are actually reducing their production considerably while they level the second profession. The OPPORTUNITY COST of doing everything yourself instead of outsourcing all but the most profitable processes usually outweighs.
worddog wrote: » Summpwner wrote: » This is NOT what would be happening. They are actually reducing their production considerably while they level the second profession. The OPPORTUNITY COST of doing everything yourself instead of outsourcing all but the most profitable processes usually outweighs. The opportunity cost isn't higher though. You start working on your alts when you've already done everything on your main character. So there is nothing better to do at that point. Once my main character is finished with all the current content he is capable of doing, the best thing I can do is make alt characters who can do stuff that he isn't capable of doing. I'm talking about genuinely hardcore players here as well, so we're assuming well over 200hrs a month of playtime.
worddog wrote: » The opportunity cost isn't higher though. You start working on your alts when you've already done everything on your main character. So there is nothing better to do at that point. Once my main character is finished with all the current content he is capable of doing, the best thing I can do is make alt characters who can do stuff that he isn't capable of doing. I'm talking about genuinely hardcore players here as well, so we're assuming well over 200hrs a month of playtime.
Summpwner wrote: » worddog wrote: » The opportunity cost isn't higher though. You start working on your alts when you've already done everything on your main character. So there is nothing better to do at that point. Once my main character is finished with all the current content he is capable of doing, the best thing I can do is make alt characters who can do stuff that he isn't capable of doing. I'm talking about genuinely hardcore players here as well, so we're assuming well over 200hrs a month of playtime. There is nothing better to do? Why not make money with your maxed profession? If you are describing some sort of completionism drive, then yeah you're right. But it doesn't make a lot of economic sense unless the profession is garbage by design or the player is bad at playing markets. In an economic sense, there ABSOLUTELY is opportunity cost to leveling a second profession: My main uses 10g worth of LEAF to make 15g worth of OIL. It takes me 1 hour to gather the 10g worth of materials on my alt, but I can turn LEAF into OIL in 10 minutes. Why wouldn't I just buy the LEAFs if my gathering profit is only 10g/h while my crafting profit is 60g/h? The answer is that you think when you are finished leveling gathering you will be able to gather more than 60g/h profit.... but most people don't make that calculation.
worddog wrote: » Why would I not be gathering leaves on my alt while I'm waiting for the oil to process? I'm not saying gathering makes more money than crafting or processing but it's better than nothing. Whenever you have any downtime, you are better of doing something on your alt while you wait for something to do.
Summpwner wrote: » worddog wrote: » Why would I not be gathering leaves on my alt while I'm waiting for the oil to process? I'm not saying gathering makes more money than crafting or processing but it's better than nothing. Whenever you have any downtime, you are better of doing something on your alt while you wait for something to do. I was under the impression that all artisanships would be designed as non-AFK activities, and as such playing multiple accounts efficiently at the same time was unlikely. I'd agree with you if that turns out to be the case. It seems to me like they are well-aware of multiboxing and are trying to design their game to minimize the benefits of such. Back to the topic at hand though, it seems to me like the freehold itself will have a cost, and that it will have ample space for whatever you want to do on all of your characters..... if you want literally every crafting station, it seems like 5 acres would be enough to have them all on a single account's freehold. In addition you likely will be able to go to a friend's freehold and use their shit with their permission, so you won't need every station on your freehold or multiple accounts' freeholds anyway.
CROW3 wrote: » This is stretching P2W beyond its common definition.
BaSkA13 wrote: » CROW3 wrote: » This is stretching P2W beyond its common definition. Remember that dude in these forums a couple of years ago that wouldn't stop saying "cosmetics are a type of P2W"? The easiest way to deal with this mentality is by agreeing: yes, it's P2W, but it's better than any other type of P2W.
BaSkA13 wrote: » The easiest way to deal with this mentality is by agreeing: yes, it's P2W, but it's better than any other type of P2W.
Summpwner wrote: » BaSkA13 wrote: » The easiest way to deal with this mentality is by agreeing: yes, it's P2W, but it's better than any other type of P2W. What is the logic here? That "winning" means having the prettiest JPGs?
