Simple proof of Vanilla WoW prep before raid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaFdVeK-gpo

Isn't this beautiful to see? Imagine all hours spend to prepare like this guy, the grind, the people you meet, the enemies you kill in open world, all the adventures? This is what makes MMO epic.

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Noaani

DarkTides wrote: »

Another great addition to a thread.

KingDDD

VekoCrnogorac wrote: »

Guys I am not a bot haha you got me laughing there, but I admit my english is not the best.

Why I like vanilla WoW so much is that it changed my taste of MMOs. Believe it or not I went from mainstream WoW player to niche old-school player. I even tried EQ but not EQ99 because I still can't join servers even I watched guides I am bad with computers. Currently I am playing Gloria Victis sandbox full loot PVP MMO and I prefer much more playing with 200 players then playing with many more but on modern WoW. I even do not want to play wotlk wow because thats when activision bought blizzard and started making impact on WoW.

Why I never quit WoW when I joined retail (original) wow in cataclysm is because I thought as a teenager that this is real thing and it never bothered me that I can pull 7-8 mobs in open world or if I did not need to do professions... I started playing private servers around 2007-2008 in TBC and when I started vanilla classic in 2019 on original blizzard servers I noticed big changes that got my attention and I remembered things as they were. I am not saying vanilla is the ultimate old-school game, I am much more aware how combat is made because I played WoW classic and I watched EQ99 videos in open world, but the thing I liked about vanilla WoW is that (I hope you understand me) there is that kind of mountain dwarf mentality when you play it, you appreciate ''harder'' things because they teach you so much.

At first I was like I can't level past level 10 because I struggled with patience, I even quit vanilla during phase 1 on 35lvl because I ran out of quests and had to grind mobs (yes this was vanilla experience), I quit because I was grinding mobs with rogue and it went really slow, then in phase 3 of vanilla I started again, but I started leveling hunter because I heard its much easier and I got to 60, then leveled druid to 60 and I fell in love with game open world, I understood this balance between sustaining your character, in retail however this was not the case because you did not need any of those consumables, what I would do in retail is farm 30min and buy all catch-up gear from professions on alts, thats why I farmed gold only, enchants / gems / consumables were not important and they were cheap... I fell in love with this grinding system because you are maintaining your character, its bigger then mindless grinding, its a game within a game.

This is why I want to see this in AoC, because AoC looks amazing... Look at gathering and full loot PVP, I get semi NW and vanilla WoW vibes and if I could combine it together it would be amazing, since I love to be economist in game (obviously) this style of NW gathering will make it even better, and full loot will have this hard vibe as a mountain dwarf which I appreciate in MMOs nowdays... This is again reason why I play gloria victis and not any other modern MMO, I could play gw2 for PVP since I love PVP, but I don't want to, as if I want to protest against theme-park MMOs... I would feel bad if I started playing theme-park mmos again...

This is reason why economy should not be bad in AoC... Everything revolves around if gold has worthiness.

Wow classic is not vanilla wow. Please stop pretending like it is.

DarkTides

Noaani wrote: »

DarkTides wrote: »

Another great addition to a thread.

Ludullu

VekoCrnogorac wrote: »

At first I was like I can't level past level 10 because I struggled with patience, I even quit vanilla during phase 1 on 35lvl because I ran out of quests and had to grind mobs (yes this was vanilla experience), I quit because I was grinding mobs with rogue and it went really slow, then in phase 3 of vanilla I started again, but I started leveling hunter because I heard its much easier and I got to 60, then leveled druid to 60 and I fell in love with game open world, I understood this balance between sustaining your character, in retail however this was not the case because you did not need any of those consumables, what I would do in retail is farm 30min and buy all catch-up gear from professions on alts, thats why I farmed gold only, enchants / gems / consumables were not important and they were cheap... I fell in love with this grinding system because you are maintaining your character, its bigger then mindless grinding, its a game within a game.

So you literally couldn't take the "proper" lvls of grind, went back to the game when it became EVEN MORE CASUAL and then decided that NOW you loved grind? And you're now pushing grind onto other people?

I suggest you draw a parallel between your own actions and the responses of others to your suggestions. You couldn't play the game because it required you to grind. So you quit it. You then came back when you found out that there's an easier way to play that didn't seem as much of a grind to you (as if.... YOU WERE ENJOYING THE PROCESS).

Now look at the responses people have given you. Most people said "they don't want grind" and some said "even if there is some grind, it should be the one that the players can enjoy". So pretty much everyone who's responded to you LITERALLY AGREES WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. But you've misconstrued your own pov to such a point that most of your comments can only bring out hateful responses. Half of the reason for that is probably your lack of ability to properly understand and express your own preferences and half of that is your lack of experience in mmos.

But the latter could be sidestepped if only the former didn't completely ruin your ability to look at what people have been telling you this whole time from a 3rd person pov.

Everyone wants AoC's economy to be strong and well-designed. Everyone wants in-game items to matter and be valuable (that's part of the economy being well-designed). Everyone wants to have the kind of grind that they'd themselves prefer. And all of those "wants" culminate in just a single design. That is of a deep and intricate artisanal system.

A good artisanal system will have sinks. A good artisanal system will have small personal scale (with small easy numbers that you like so much) with a huge potential for immense depth of market trade (where you'd need a calculator). And all of that would support "gold being valuable".

These past few days of these samey threads and discussions were of such utter uselessness and pointlessness that it frustrates me to no end. Everyone was pretty much agreeing with everyone else, but the arguing kept on going. JFC

bloodprophet

VekoCrnogorac wrote: »

Guys I am not a bot haha you got me laughing there, but I admit my english is not the best.

Why I like vanilla WoW so much is that it changed my taste of MMOs. Believe it or not I went from mainstream WoW player to niche old-school player. I even tried EQ but not EQ99 because I still can't join servers even I watched guides I am bad with computers. Currently I am playing Gloria Victis sandbox full loot PVP MMO and I prefer much more playing with 200 players then playing with many more but on modern WoW. I even do not want to play wotlk wow because thats when activision bought blizzard and started making impact on WoW.

Why I never quit WoW when I joined retail (original) wow in cataclysm is because I thought as a teenager that this is real thing and it never bothered me that I can pull 7-8 mobs in open world or if I did not need to do professions... I started playing private servers around 2007-2008 in TBC and when I started vanilla classic in 2019 on original blizzard servers I noticed big changes that got my attention and I remembered things as they were. I am not saying vanilla is the ultimate old-school game, I am much more aware how combat is made because I played WoW classic and I watched EQ99 videos in open world, but the thing I liked about vanilla WoW is that (I hope you understand me) there is that kind of mountain dwarf mentality when you play it, you appreciate ''harder'' things because they teach you so much.

At first I was like I can't level past level 10 because I struggled with patience, I even quit vanilla during phase 1 on 35lvl because I ran out of quests and had to grind mobs (yes this was vanilla experience), I quit because I was grinding mobs with rogue and it went really slow, then in phase 3 of vanilla I started again, but I started leveling hunter because I heard its much easier and I got to 60, then leveled druid to 60 and I fell in love with game open world, I understood this balance between sustaining your character, in retail however this was not the case because you did not need any of those consumables, what I would do in retail is farm 30min and buy all catch-up gear from professions on alts, thats why I farmed gold only, enchants / gems / consumables were not important and they were cheap... I fell in love with this grinding system because you are maintaining your character, its bigger then mindless grinding, its a game within a game.

This is why I want to see this in AoC, because AoC looks amazing... Look at gathering and full loot PVP, I get semi NW and vanilla WoW vibes and if I could combine it together it would be amazing, since I love to be economist in game (obviously) this style of NW gathering will make it even better, and full loot will have this hard vibe as a mountain dwarf which I appreciate in MMOs nowdays... This is again reason why I play gloria victis and not any other modern MMO, I could play gw2 for PVP since I love PVP, but I don't want to, as if I want to protest against theme-park MMOs... I would feel bad if I started playing theme-park mmos again...

This is reason why economy should not be bad in AoC... Everything revolves around if gold has worthiness.

Wait!
You quit WoW over grind instead of going to a new zone with quests your level. Then spent the last couple of days trying really hard to convince us that you like grinding and so should we. WoW is a theme park MMO at it's core. You finish one ride(zone) and move to the next. The story and quests even hand hold you to the next proper zone.

We do agree the economy is important. As Noaani the only thing to buy in the game is consumables. After you have your mount and bags everything else drops in dungeons and raids. After "Classic" they added PvP gear you could farm battlegrounds and gain honor points to buy that. The rest of your gold just sits there.

Electronn

VekoCrnogorac wrote: »

Guys I am not a bot

That is suspiciously exactly what a bot would say when accused of being a bot.

Electronn

NiKr wrote: »

These past few days of these samey threads and discussions were of such utter uselessness and pointlessness that it frustrates me to no end. Everyone was pretty much agreeing with everyone else, but the arguing kept on going. JFC

Good post my dude. Artful dissection and dismantling of the OP.

But maybe step away from the forums a bit? Lol damn.

Arya_Yeshe

Ludullu

mcnasty wrote: »

Good post my dude. Artful dissection and dismantling of the OP.

But maybe step away from the forums a bit? Lol damn.

Nah, I was exaggerating a bit to drive the point deeper. These threads even helped Azherae's data a bit, so that's the silver lining.

DarkTides

VekoKrava

I said I did not want grind because I was not at peace since I came from modern wow and I was very impatient... now I want grind becsuse I grew up.

It seems that you guys are not wise enough since you can "dump" other person so many times. If you were wise you would be more quiet...

You all disagreed with me because you want gold sink, and having sustainable individual gold sink is way better then crafted gear that you buy once. There comes consumable topic again, but fine... you guessed I dont want to grind. If I could design MMO I would make health potions so rare that you had to farm 1h to purchase one hehe.

bloodprophet

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Item_durability

There is item durability (item decay) in Ashes of Creation.[2]

Item durability loss occurs on death.[3][1][4]
Gear stored in a player's inventory (that is not equipped) does not lose durability when that player dies.[5]

Materials are required in order to restore the performance of decayed items.[6][3][1][7][8]

Item decay does not destroy items, but it acts as an materials sink.[9][3][2]
Zero percent durability will unequip an item, significantly increasing its repair costs.[10]

If you allow it to get to certain stages, or to get to a destructed stage then it requires a lot of material components in order to return back to its former glory.[6] – Steven Sharif

VekoKrava

Which items will be used for repairing, are these simple and easy to obtain materials or will there be some value with these items?

If its useless like New World repairing, then it won't be much of a gold sink at all... I hope they go into making gold worth so that every penny has value and you have to save all time...

bloodprophet

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Materials

Everything. All harvestable items.

If it took iron to make that sword it will take iron to repair it.

Has led to many threads concerning repairs. If it took dragon scales to craft a shield but the dragon is no longer in the game. How will people repair the shield type stuff.

edit:
In most games it only take gold and then eventually said gold becomes so ubiquitous that is has no meaning. AOC plans to have material sinks and gold sink in gear repair and world development. Nodes and player housing will require resources and gold to develop and maintain. Least that's the plan.

bloodprophet

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Item_sinks

Azherae

VekoCrnogorac wrote: »

Which items will be used for repairing, are these simple and easy to obtain materials or will there be some value with these items?

If its useless like New World repairing, then it won't be much of a gold sink at all... I hope they go into making gold worth so that every penny has value and you have to save all time...

Alright, let's try a new tactic today!

@VekoCrnogorac

Items will be repaired using components from crafting which will be made by many people.

Players will need to consider carefully what types of gear they want so that they can repair them consistently.

For example, Iron Chainmail Vest would need Iron Chainlinks to be repaired. So no matter how many Iron chainlinks are made, as long as anyone is using any Iron Chainmail Vests, someone will always need to go out there and spend an hour or so collecting iron if they want to fully repair an Iron Chainmail vest.

There might be some higher level armor like a Byrnie with more materials for special effects but is also still based on Iron chainmail, and so, you would still use Iron Chainlinks to repair it, probably up to a certain level.

So there would always be a demand for Iron, and many people would have a reason to keep a supply of Iron Chainlinks in their node. So it will always matter. You will have to go out there and work, either killing mobs, being hired as a mercenary to fight or protect someone else, or doing your profession, to afford Iron chainlinks.

VekoKrava

That is great to hear...

My only concern is economy, since I never had same vibe from 2019 when I tried vanilla WoW... Every new / old mmo that I tried sucks, I played gw2 and New world for longer period of time, little bit ESO and other niche MMOs, but all had problems with economy, gold felt worthless... I am now playing gloria victis, has sandbox crafting thats very grindy and economy feels very good. For example I would like in AoC to farm gold/h not 1000 gold/h, this is how gloria victis works, much more logical...

Azherae

VekoCrnogorac wrote: »

That is great to hear...

My only concern is economy, since I never had same vibe from 2019 when I tried vanilla WoW... Every new / old mmo that I tried sucks, I played gw2 and New world for longer period of time, little bit ESO and other niche MMOs, but all had problems with economy, gold felt worthless... I am now playing gloria victis, has sandbox crafting thats very grindy and economy feels very good. For example I would like in AoC to farm gold/h not 1000 gold/h, this is how gloria victis works, much more logical...

There are many reasons why it is important for players to be able to farm very specific NUMBERS of gold per hour, but you noted before that you just want 1h of farming to be the cost of 1 powerful potion, is that right?

It would be quite difficult to design a game where a player can only farm a few Gold (assuming Gold is the lowest currency unit) per hour.

My experience indicates that the lowest you can usually drop in a fantasy game is 4,010 Currency per hour. I prefer double or triple that amount.

It doesn't matter exactly how the Currency works as long as the LOWEST unit doesn't drop below 4,010 per hour earning. So if a Sweet Potion costs 4000, that's okay with you, right?

VekoKrava

I prefer hard core game design that leans heavily into crafting and econony. Vanilla was close to that, although youcould not make good gear, but I could easily spend 2h per day farming in order to min max battlegrounds, since raiding is only 2 times per week and before raids I would farm 3hours.

VekoKrava

Make sure to understand you did not need to do all this in vanilla wow, I would do it not to min max, but to do economy and farm. Cuz thats fun for me.

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