Too bright? Needs to be darker in nighttime

I think even though it was only 7:30PM it should have been abit darker, hopefully when it gets to midnight it's muhc darker and perhaps you need skills or items to be able to see that far into the dark mists. Having a wolfs eyes just start to glow at you before you know how many mobs come from the darkness would be so good. Just seems you can see forever and have a spotlight currently on you even though it's suppose to be dark. The moon just seems too bright, hopefully it gets a change for the future. Also mob densisty needs a big increase

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Gui10

I feel the dark just slows gameplay. Considering nighttime will work with servertime, so approx a third of the day will be night (although not sure yet), and night time is actually when most players are active, I feel this would cause more harm than good.

Halae

Gui10 wrote: »

I feel the dark just slows gameplay. Considering nighttime will work with servertime, so approx a third of the day will be night (although not sure yet), and night time is actually when most players are active, I feel this would cause more harm than good.

Did they actually say it was directly linked and temporally locked with server time? I thought the way Steven phrased it meant that we were looking at a day/night cycle measured in "hours", rather than a one-to-one time with the day itself. I'll admit I was distracted at the time, though.

Serazeus

I think they said when they were fast forwarding time that the day/night cycle would be every few hours, not tied to real-time/server time

Gui10

Someone asked "is the day night cycle based on server time" and the answer was "yes".

However, this remains unclear, since server time could also be accelerated, example 4 Verra days per actual real-time day, so I am unsure atm.

Regardless, night time is a third or a fourth of the time if we take a 24 hour cycle, more or less. Which is a lot for it to be that dark outside!! Imho

Maybe a peak darkness between midnight and 1 am ok that would be more acceptable.

Serazeus

Gui10 wrote: »

Someone asked "is the day night cycle based on server time" and the answer was "yes".

However, this remains unclear, since server time could also be accelerated, example 4 Verra days per actual real-time day, so I am unsure atm.

Regardless, night time is a third or a fourth of the time if we take a 24 hour cycle, more or less. Which is a lot for it to be that dark outside!! Imho

Maybe a peak darkness between midnight and 1 am ok that would be more acceptable.

Yeah, would be happy with that. Not the whole night for it to be dark, but in some areas, such as a graveyard, would have some cool benefits!

Halae

There is some sense to the nights being brightly lit, at least. Specifically, full moons tend to illuminate the night fairly well, and with three different moons, Verra has a severe leg-up in that regard. The debris from the shattered moon in particular could be a huge contributor to light scatter.

raylegh

It's true that I personally felt the night as just a rainy day in the daytime and I would like to be able to tell the difference between the two. Although I agree that there is no need to make the luminosity so much darker in order to keep the darkest luminosity for specific places.

Percimes

Clear sky, big moons, open space... it was fine.

And it leaves room to go darker in some places, like underground or inside close spaces with no windows. Places where there are pools of lights and deep shadows.

Iskiab

I swear forums for pre-release MMOs always draw a crowd who want things that are diametrically opposed to those who stay with MMOs. When I saw the livestream I had the exact opposite impression - perfect; the nighttime was playable and not annoyingly dark.

The goal shouldn’t be for the day - night schedule to have an effect on gamplay, where most of the population doesn’t want to play because they logged in during nighttime.

Diamaht

I would have to disagree with it needing to be darker. In Ark or Valheim that works, but in an MMO you want thing to stay wide open and visible. You want to see what's on the horizon to be explored and you want to clearly see others as they move about around you. You don't want to world to be a mystery and you don't want day/night cycles to dictate game-play. You want things to feel open and alive.

What if I can only play during the hours of 8pm and 10pm each night and most of those hours tend to be in game dark. Should I have a less visible game-play experience than the person who can play from 6 pm to 8pm?

Heavy darkness closes things in and hide items in the world. Again that works great in Ark when the pace is meant to be very slow and methodical. But in an MMO you don't want that.

Most open world single player games have settings that can be adjusted for this sort of thing so you can tailor your experience, MMOs do not have that luxury and lots of people don't want to play a game with heavy darkness. MMOs have to appeal to a much wider audience to survive. Open world survival and open world MMOs are simply not the same animal and they cannot be treated the same.

Garrtok

Should definitely be darker. Night should be night. There is a huge difference between everything is visible and THAT bright.

Ludullu

It's 3:33 am here right now. Literally an hour ago I looked at my window and thought to myself "why da fuck is it this light outside". I went to look through the window and noticed that it's full moon today. It was literally as light as it was on the stream. And Verra has 3 moons, 2 of which A FUCKING HUGE IN THE SKY.

I'd be just fine if Ashes had a moon cycle where it becomes a bit darker once a week or so, but please, people, don't go yelling that it's too bright in the game when the game literally copies reality (and when the change would add nothing to the gameplay and would only hinder it).

Arya_Yeshe

NiKr wrote: »

It's 3:33 am here right now. Literally an hour ago I looked at my window and thought to myself "why da fuck is it this light outside". I went to look through the window and noticed that it's full moon today. It was literally as light as it was on the stream. And Verra has 3 moons, 2 of which A FUCKING HUGE IN THE SKY.

I'd be just fine if Ashes had a moon cycle where it becomes a bit darker once a week or so, but please, people, don't go yelling that it's too bright in the game when the game literally copies reality (and when the change would add nothing to the gameplay and would only hinder it).

Because you live in a city with thousands or maybe milions of light sources?

If you got to the country or to the middle of a road between two cities, it will still be dark enough

Liniker

Iskiab wrote: »

I swear forums for pre-release MMOs always draw a crowd who want things that are diametrically opposed to those who stay with MMOs. When I saw the livestream I had the exact opposite impression - perfect; the nighttime was playable and not annoyingly dark.

The goal shouldn’t be for the day - night schedule to have an effect on gamplay, where most of the population doesn’t want to play because they logged in during nighttime.

This!!!!!

Liniker

this is not a survival game - mortal online 2 made nights dark, guess what? instant meta to change your monitor settings, boost gama and all that and problem solved... now everyone plays with a grayed out game at night because of that... unless you want to be the noob that dies since he can't fight at night because you want "immersion" and don't change your settings

AoC is doing the Perfect move, visible nights 👌

Ludullu

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Because you live in a city with thousands or maybe milions of light sources?

If you got to the country or to the middle of a road between two cities, it will still be dark enough

No, I live in a city that literally has its electricity turned off for 4h every 2h. It's exactly because of the lack of artificial light that the moon was that bright.

Azherae

NiKr wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Because you live in a city with thousands or maybe milions of light sources?

If you got to the country or to the middle of a road between two cities, it will still be dark enough

No, I live in a city that literally has its electricity turned off for 4h every 2h. It's exactly because of the lack of artificial light that the moon was that bright.

I have an entirely different complaint about this sort of thing in games actually.

Even if your game's soundscape is quite good, it doesn't compare to human senses in specific ways, particularly when characters are supposed to be quite honed.

Humans hear REALLY well. They notice movement in shadows so well it scares them. They literally have echolocation subconsciously after enough training sometimes, not like 'superhero' level, but we DO get this ability.

A game's visuals can't give me any of that. Not scent, not echoes, not mild thermal shifts, not 'perfect soundscape'.

It's not immersive to me when it's darker because you've 'taken away one sense but not given any of the others that are naturally available to compensate for it'. I don't much mind if you give the 'pulse scan' style awareness or expect me to be able to see well on the minimap, but even this still doesn't feel right. The night 'not being dark' to me is a representation of something a lot of the time, not to mention how well our eyes actually DO adjust sometimes.

I could rant a ton about this, but I'm not gonna. If someone wants the night darker, I want an ability to 'pulse magic or sound' to make it 'visible greyscale'. Don't even care if this makes me detectable to mobs. If you want visual immersion, I want echosonic immersion to make up for it.

Ludullu

Azherae wrote: »

Humans hear REALLY well. They notice movement in shadows so well it scares them. They literally have echolocation subconsciously after enough training sometimes, not like 'superhero' level, but we DO get this ability

Just yesterday I was thinking about whether any games have ever tried using visual illusions as a tool for scaring players. Stuff like faces in the tree outlines and branches, using light to move shadows in a very particular way, and other stuff like that (especially the face in things stuff).

I think that with the latest UE updates this kind of stuff might be way more widespread in the upcoming games, but I'd assume those would still be a few years off from now. And I don't think I've heard about games that have done stuff like this in the past.

I'd looooove if Ashes had a spooky location with these effects, though it could definitely be an "in a later expansion" thing rather than a release one.

Diamaht

Liniker wrote: »

this is not a survival game - mortal online 2 made nights dark, guess what? instant meta to change your monitor settings, boost gama and all that and problem solved... now everyone plays with a grayed out game at night because of that... unless you want to be the noob that dies since he can't fight at night because you want "immersion" and don't change your settings

AoC is doing the Perfect move, visible nights 👌

Actually yeah, I didn't think of monitor gama rolf. So unless Intrepid make objects just not render in certain lighting conditions players will find a way to see them, haha.

Ezo

Even though I would like it darker, I want nights that I can see too. I don't want a survival game. I don't know why people keep repeating this. I'm very sure (reading posts from people that want a darker night) they know that it isn't a survival game. It would be nice to meet in the middle with other people's opinions and not disregard them completely. I'm feeling like my response doesn't matter and that I'm just in a minority group that doesn't have a clue. Is what I'm reading from some peoples posts..

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