Regarding the Hammer Ability

Small critique.. This ability doesn’t look right when you are using weapons such as daggers or a Greatsword. I don’t know if this is a preset animation that will eventually be changed in the future or what, but I think we need something different and unique to the weapons your using or class you’re playing. A godly smite hammer makes sense if you are wielding a hammer or can summon the gods as a class such as a paladin. A godly smite hammer doesn’t make sense when you wield daggers or greatsword on a warrior like class.

Some Suggestions:

One suggestion is this should be looked at and changed for stabbing and slashing type weapons. Creating a different animation or skill for that specific skill of a random giant crushing hammer to make sense. For example, add a Giant thrusting pointed tip as you charge a lunge then release it in a stabbing motion on stabbing weapons. Adding blue coloration as a detail to the pointed tip when using a stabbing weapon like daggers, rapiers, spears. For slashing weapons, you could maybe do a red effect of a sweep horizontal or vertical either a) multiple crosscuts with a red bleed like coloration effect or b) a singular sweep with a giant slash effect with the same coloration mentioned in point a)

Another suggestion is being based on the class your playing rather than the weapon you’re wielding. Warriors shouldn’t really be calling the wrath of the gods opposed to paladins being able to such a thing. A warrior should be using no form of magic skills and be purely relying on their raw strength and rage to deal damage to their targets. That is why the whirlwind ability, a classic skill, makes sense when wielding a greatsword, while a giant hammer being summoned out of thin air does not make sense for a warrior. For a paladin wielding even a sword a shield though? That makes way more sense .. they are calling for holy divine energy to be manifested and used against enemies.

I will say this, the hammer skill itself is a cool animation and makes sense in the examples listed above. So please devs, I request you look at this in preparation for the games launch. I just want classes and/or weapons to have unique abilities. It adds to the flavor and look of the game, which I see you guys put your heart and soul into the creative side of things as this game has been being developed. Please don’t let this fall to the wayside and be ignored.

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Mag7spy

Krumdark wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Agreed, most people just don't like hammer weapons so they are throwing their dislike to the skill.

It’s not a dislike with the skill, it’s a dislike with the animation making sense when dual wielding daggers and greatsword. It looks unnatural. My post says that the hammer animation itself is cool and it should stay, but for paladin like classes and/or crushing weapons. This is not some hate brigade on the skill itself.

Hammer has nothing to do with paladin. Paladins use all sorts of weapons just like a fighter...

Taleof2Cities

Of all the important Alpha-2 items that are on Intrepid’s plate for right now, are combat animations really a topic that forum-goers should be getting lost in the weeds on?

Applause for the attention to details … but Intrepid has always maintained that combat animations are a work-in-progress.

Voxtrium

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Of all the important Alpha-2 items that are on Intrepid’s plate for right now, are combat animations really a topic that forum-goers should be getting lost in the weeds on?

Applause for the attention to details … but Intrepid has always maintained that combat animations are a work-in-progress.

Sure they aren't important, but I also find this particular animation to always draw my eye when cast, many of the others feel like they are along the right track already, but every time I have seen this hammer animation its felt off. Not something they need to fix tomorrow, but something that id certainly prefer to change before launch. They can leave it in notes if they want.

Zyvan

Just chiming in to agree with the sentiment that the ability looks off for a Fighter, or Weapon Master (Fighter/Fighter) in my opinion.

If I chose Fighter/Fighter as my class choice, I'd expect the appearance of my abilities to be more physical in nature rather than magical, which is how the hammer ability comes off to me. It looks more befitting of an ability used by a Fighter with Cleric augments rather than a Fighter base ability or Fighter with Fighter augments.

In the grand scheme of things, it's not a total deal breaker for me and there are lots of other things that should likely be worked on first. But it is still something that I'd like to see looked at in the future.

Ludullu

I like it

The game is a fucking high fantasy. There is magic and everyone appears to be able to use it. Hammer ability looks nice, works nice and imo fits the fighter archetype just fine.

Dygz

Voxtrium wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Again - it is not a physical swing. Rather it is a purely magical animation that deals damage.
There are no muscles involved with that swing. And, really, no physics.
Hammer Strike is a supernatural, metaphysical attack.

Ok sure but every aspect of the game is based in reality, the hammer strike looks awkward because it doesn't make sense. Just like if the animation was replaced by a bow swinging down and wacking someone, it's not something that looks good regardless of the idea its based in reality.

Again... it might not make sense in a world totally based on physics.
Green Arrow sometimes whacks people with his bow, by the way.
Are you saying that people never get whacked by a hammer?
Clerics/medics whack people with hammers, but fighters don't whack people with hammers?

Apparently, a Tank conjuring a Javelin is fine, but a Fighter conjuring a Hammer is illogical??

Krumdark

Mag7spy wrote: »

Krumdark wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Agreed, most people just don't like hammer weapons so they are throwing their dislike to the skill.

It’s not a dislike with the skill, it’s a dislike with the animation making sense when dual wielding daggers and greatsword. It looks unnatural. My post says that the hammer animation itself is cool and it should stay, but for paladin like classes and/or crushing weapons. This is not some hate brigade on the skill itself.

Hammer has nothing to do with paladin. Paladins use all sorts of weapons just like a fighter...

This is not the point I’m trying to make. I’m saying if these skills are class based then why not do it for a paladin instead of a fighter. Paladins use holy magic so it makes sense they can do something like that. On a fighter it ruins immersion.

Krumdark

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Of all the important Alpha-2 items that are on Intrepid’s plate for right now, are combat animations really a topic that forum-goers should be getting lost in the weeds on?

Applause for the attention to details … but Intrepid has always maintained that combat animations are a work-in-progress.

And they also ask for feedback on animations or anything else they show off in the videos?

Krumdark

Dygz wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Again - it is not a physical swing. Rather it is a purely magical animation that deals damage.
There are no muscles involved with that swing. And, really, no physics.
Hammer Strike is a supernatural, metaphysical attack.

Ok sure but every aspect of the game is based in reality, the hammer strike looks awkward because it doesn't make sense. Just like if the animation was replaced by a bow swinging down and wacking someone, it's not something that looks good regardless of the idea its based in reality.

Again... it might not make sense in a world totally based on physics.
Green Arrow sometimes whacks people with his bow, by the way.
Are you saying that people never get whacked by a hammer?
Clerics/medics whack people with hammers, but fighters don't whack people with hammers?

Apparently, a Tank conjuring a Javelin is fine, but a Fighter conjuring a Hammer is illogical??

No one said a tank conjuring a javelin is fine

Krumdark

NiKr wrote: »

I like it The game is a fucking high fantasy. There is magic and everyone appears to be able to use it. Hammer ability looks nice, works nice and imo fights the fighter archetype just fine.

I like it if it’s on a Paladin or some sort of magic melee classes conjure melee weapons.

Krumdark

Zyvan wrote: »

Just chiming in to agree with the sentiment that the ability looks off for a Fighter, or Weapon Master (Fighter/Fighter) in my opinion.

If I chose Fighter/Fighter as my class choice, I'd expect the appearance of my abilities to be more physical in nature rather than magical, which is how the hammer ability comes off to me. It looks more befitting of an ability used by a Fighter with Cleric augments rather than a Fighter base ability or Fighter with Fighter augments.

In the grand scheme of things, it's not a total deal breaker for me and there are lots of other things that should likely be worked on first. But it is still something that I'd like to see looked at in the future.

But at least you agree.. I don’t want to be ignored and I just wanted to leave feedback on how I felt.

Dygz

Krumdark wrote: »

This is not the point I’m trying to make. I’m saying if these skills are class based then why not do it for a paladin instead of a fighter. Paladins use holy magic so it makes sense they can do something like that. On a fighter it ruins immersion.

Everyone on Verra wields Essence. So... no... it doesn't ruin immersion for that world design.

Krumdark

Voxtrium wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Of all the important Alpha-2 items that are on Intrepid’s plate for right now, are combat animations really a topic that forum-goers should be getting lost in the weeds on?

Applause for the attention to details … but Intrepid has always maintained that combat animations are a work-in-progress.

Sure they aren't important, but I also find this particular animation to always draw my eye when cast, many of the others feel like they are along the right track already, but every time I have seen this hammer animation its felt off. Not something they need to fix tomorrow, but something that id certainly prefer to change before launch. They can leave it in notes if they want.

Immersive combat is pretty important I’d argue and you gave a good reasoning why it is.

Krumdark

Dygz wrote: »

Krumdark wrote: »

This is not the point I’m trying to make. I’m saying if these skills are class based then why not do it for a paladin instead of a fighter. Paladins use holy magic so it makes sense they can do something like that. On a fighter it ruins immersion.

Everyone on Verra wields Essence. So... no... it doesn't ruin immersion for that world design.

I’m sure there are other animations that could be used to represent that.

Mag7spy

Krumdark wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Krumdark wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Agreed, most people just don't like hammer weapons so they are throwing their dislike to the skill.

It’s not a dislike with the skill, it’s a dislike with the animation making sense when dual wielding daggers and greatsword. It looks unnatural. My post says that the hammer animation itself is cool and it should stay, but for paladin like classes and/or crushing weapons. This is not some hate brigade on the skill itself.

Hammer has nothing to do with paladin. Paladins use all sorts of weapons just like a fighter...

This is not the point I’m trying to make. I’m saying if these skills are class based then why not do it for a paladin instead of a fighter. Paladins use holy magic so it makes sense they can do something like that. On a fighter it ruins immersion.

You are missing the point, a hammer isn't holy...

George_Black

All these ppl saying they like the magic hammer won't main a fighter. They dont understand the concept of class identity, and somehow bring in (only to their own confusion) fantasy/reality.
Dont reply to them.

If the Fighter summons giant magic yellow hammer, then:

Maybe the ranger should have an attack in which the character draws back the string of the equiped bow and a giant magic yellow crossbow appears beside him, firing a giant yellow bolt.

Maybe the tanks shield slam should be a giant magic yellow shield should appear in front of him, and that giant yellow shield can rush at the enemy target.

Maybe the rogue, equiped with dual daggers can make a throwing motion and a giant yellow tomahawk can appear and be fired at the enemy target.
And this skill should essential to all rogue classes.

Maybe the summoner can perform a chant and a peasant with a pitchfork can appear and be controlled by the summoner and that should be the main dps summon.

Ludullu

George_Black wrote: »

If the Fighter summons giant magic yellow hammer, then:

Maybe the ranger should have an attack in which the character draws back the string of the equiped bow and a giant magic yellow crossbow appears beside him, firing a giant yellow bolt.

Maybe the tanks shield slam should be a giant magic yellow shield should appear in front of him, and that giant yellow shield can rush at the enemy target.

Maybe the rogue, equiped with dual daggers can make a throwing motion and a giant yellow tomahawk can appear and be fired at the enemy target.
And this skill should essential to all rogue classes.

Maybe the summoner can perform a chant and a peasant with a pitchfork can appear and be controlled by the summoner and that should be the main dps summon.

Unironically

Voxtrium

Dygz wrote: »

Again... it might not make sense in a world totally based on physics.
Green Arrow sometimes whacks people with his bow, by the way.
Are you saying that people never get whacked by a hammer?
Clerics/medics whack people with hammers, but fighters don't whack people with hammers?

Apparently, a Tank conjuring a Javelin is fine, but a Fighter conjuring a Hammer is illogical??

The class has nothing to do with it, it could be a 2 ft gnome healer tank or dps idgaf, the animation looks dumb. Having it look like a typical swing makes sense, looks better, and is still just as magical

Kiwi_

I kinda see why people don't like this but I also don't because...
I'm 99% sure during the melee combat showcase (where the hammer and spin ability were shown for the first time, each with greatsword / daggers) Steven said the class used was the Weaponmaster.
So my assumption would be, the intention behind the class Weaponmaster having 2 skills each summoning a different weapon for it, is that the class Weaponmaster is just summoning different weapons for their abilies?
If my assumption is correct, then I get that you may not like the class and it's skills, but it'd be then wrong to say that it doesn't make sense for the class.

Krumdark

NiKr wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

If the Fighter summons giant magic yellow hammer, then:

Maybe the ranger should have an attack in which the character draws back the string of the equiped bow and a giant magic yellow crossbow appears beside him, firing a giant yellow bolt.

Maybe the tanks shield slam should be a giant magic yellow shield should appear in front of him, and that giant yellow shield can rush at the enemy target.

Maybe the rogue, equiped with dual daggers can make a throwing motion and a giant yellow tomahawk can appear and be fired at the enemy target.
And this skill should essential to all rogue classes.

Maybe the summoner can perform a chant and a peasant with a pitchfork can appear and be controlled by the summoner and that should be the main dps summon.

Unironically

I could see this getting really repetitive and not feel unique besides the weapon being shown off..

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