Things we DON'T like about AoC.

While it is important to voice to the developers the things we enjoy about the game, and to encourage the game's creation, it's also equally important to voice our thoughts and opinions on things we don't like about the game and are concerned about.
What are some things you've seen that have you little concerned about or that you simply don't like?

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Strevi

IAmWarden01 wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

IAmWarden01 wrote: »

Merry Christmas to all the entire Ashes of Creation community!

literally not what a necromancer would say

The very best necromancers make you think they're kind, that they're on your side, and that they'd never do the horrible things that those other, evil necromancers do.

In that thread you identified those who would kill you and here those who would help you?
Definitely a good necromancer thread

maouw

I don't know if it's a polish thing, but there are two things that I'm hoping improve (they're kindof related):

Variety of character expression in mobs' animations - especially in idle animations
mob AI

many idle animations are a little too smooth and relaxed - e.g. the Scorpion boss they teased from the desert doesn't come across as very threatening because the Scorpion is animated with relaxed body-language, rather than a stiff or coiled tail that looks like it's ready to strike at any moment. I'd also describe its movement as "walking" rather than "scuttling" which has a very tame vibe.
This kind of detail is something I'm hoping their animators improve, studying things like flies - who have super jittery movements, or the clumsiness of elephants, or the tension in a dog running zoomies around a room. For future reference when we're putting creatures in the ocean, look at a group of sharks when they're in a frenzy, or the incredible movements of swordfish/marlin jetting back and forth in a zig zag.
I think "tame" is the perfect word here, many of the animations we've seen are like household pet animations - there's a lack of the untamed, ferocious wild in what we've seen. Classic examples are how beasts roar - there's 2 types of roars that set different tones - a Territorial Roar where a creature(/group of creatures) roars at the sky as a declaration of their own presence (lion prides do this randomly).
Compare this to a Threat Roar which is directed at a player as a declaration of war and often preceded by many warning growls. Please keep this distinction in mind when you craft your dragons/bosses - roaring at the sky when a group of raiders arrives is really weird ((although, I don't mind it if the dragon is calling for meteors to fall from the sky, or if a dragon is very proud and does a territorial roar almost to scoff at approaching threat - "Do you know who I am?")).

On the AI front, I just want a more obvious "alert" behaviour state - where a mob senses that there may be a threat in the vicinity but will watch to see if the player gets too close before deciding to attack/flee (probably increase/decrease this radius depending on the movement speed of the player - fast approaching players are more threatening). Think of meerkats on lookout, or when a group of deer all freeze and stare in your direction, or seagulls waddling away from you cautiously before they decide to take flight.

Ehrgeiz

slow development

Percimes

I think the only aspect I can truly say I don't like is related to the Trinity. Although not a big fan of it, I understand the appeal of filling a role/job for the group. What I don't like is that the roles are tied to specific archetypes/classes. One archetype can tank. One archetype can heal. One archetype is mostly support and another one has some versatility. Then the four left are dps.

Yeah, augments are supposed to help blur the lines, but we still don't know how blurry we can push this. Also, for the first 25 level we'll only have 8 classes. Two essential and six of varied importance.

Atama

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

The single aspect so far yours truly finds dis-agreeable?

The cosmetic sets are "all-or-none"; You can't use a really cool-looking pair of gloves from one cosmetic set with anything else - it MUST be used as the entire appearance ensemble.

Why not let us mix-and-match, given that we're paying for the cosmetics?

You sort of can do that though. At least, they often release accessories that are parts of a set. For example, one month they offered an ice armor costume and gauntlets that looked like the gloves from that costume. I bought the gloves and can match them with other cosmetic pieces.

But it’s true that you can’t just grab a full costume and mix and match pieces of that costume with others. Costumes are all-or-nothing. There are plenty of “pieces” you can equip as cosmetics, but those are different.

Liniker wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

People complained and so they don't do that anymore and will only let you know when it's much closer to being fully ready.

Let's be real here, that's not the reason they stopped doing it. This was their roadmap....

They don't do it because they missed it by Years and they acknowledge the mistakes on what they did wrong, so let's not pretend it was the players fault.

Here’s the thing. They can’t predict a roadmap years in advance and hit it perfectly. Nobody does that. There are too many variables. Their mistake wasn’t that they didn’t meet their roadmap. They should never have released it in the first place.

They shouldn’t release a roadmap ever. The players I blame are the ones whining about the lack of them. They are the ignorant ones. At best Intrepid can give a vague estimate, and even then players are going to moan about them being inaccurate. Yes, players with unrealistic expectations do deserve some blame.

As for my gripe, it’s one things that Intrepid did which is dumb, and one which is slimy and intentionally misleading.

Dumb thing: Calling an archetype “tank”. That’s as anachronistic and stupid as giving mages a spell called “Arcane Jet Plane”. The word “tank” has no basis in lore.

Slimy thing: Making 8 classes and calling them “archetypes”. Then giving each class a specialization and calling it a “class”. That was done solely so that they can falsely advertise having 64 classes when they only have 8. Really scummy move.

Abarat

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

novercalis

IAmWarden01 wrote: »

While it is important to voice to the developers the things we enjoy about the game, and to encourage the game's creation, it's also equally important to voice our thoughts and opinions on things we don't like about the game and are concerned about.
What are some things you've seen that have you little concerned about or that you simply don't like?

The Narcissism of some forum posters like Tyra

oh wait the game....

now as for the game devlopment stuff:

- Time it takes to hit 50 is still on the quick side. 2 months isnt long enough. I'd like the leveling process to be 4 month process of 8hrs day. Thus being even longer for casuals.

- Time to kill NPC mob to be around 20-30 seconds per mob instead of what we have seen in videos 5-10 seconds

- HP and Mana Regen be much slower

- XP Debt - I personally am in favor of XP LOSS and being able to De-Level.
- Players play VERY DIFFERENTLY when that is on the line. Even more so with Corpse Runs - adding those risks and leveraging against patience and game-play changes how we do things. People don't mind if the XP Debt makes our xp grind longer. it's an added 20 minutes. But psychology wise - XP Loss of 20 minutes just hits different. It's the same amount but going backward. Players will hold other players accountable. You will hold yourself accountable too. I can concede the need for corpse run - but I really prefer XP LOSS instead of XP DEBT.

Dolyem

Abarat wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Send in an army of level 1 gatherers to strip a nodes resources. Can't kill them due to massive corruption difference.

JamesSunderland

Abarat wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Can be explained in 2 categories, the Bot abuse and the Alt abuse of systems.

Both of those can ravage through nodes with their lvl 1 gatherers armies which can only be properly dealt with other lv 1 armies to evade massive corruption gain on main high level characters.

As for lv 1 processors and crafters alts, they can be simple put in freeholds with little effort and do all their job for you in safety basically breaking the inter-dependency community design and creating the Dreaded Alt Advantage which in subscripion games can be considered P2W.

As for the use of the word "exploiting" you can interpret it the way you like.

Atama

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Can be explained in 2 categories, the Bot abuse and the Alt abuse of systems.

Both of those can ravage through nodes with their lvl 1 gatherers armies which can only be properly dealt with other lv 1 armies to evade massive corruption gain on main high level characters.

As for lv 1 processors and crafters alts, they can be simple put in freeholds with little effort and do all their job for you in safety basically breaking the inter-dependency community design and creating the Dreaded Alt Advantage which in subscripion games can be considered P2W.

As for the use of the word "exploiting" you can interpret it the way you like.

Bots should be rare if nonexistent. The game has absolutely zero free-to-play options, which makes botting expensive, and there will be measures in place to detect and deal with scripting. I'm not naive enough to think that it will be impossible, but I can't see that it's feasible to do them.

I also don't see how you can abuse alts. As long as you're not botting, it's just another character you are playing. Multiboxing is going to be very difficult to achieve without automated scripting, which is bannable behavior that again they've pledged to detect and take care of.

I don't see level 1 gatherers being very useful. They aren't going to live very long. Let me just say, if it is anything like it was in Alpha 1, you are going to get mauled to death by NPCs before you're able to do much gathering.

I just don't think your scenario is going to work.

JamesSunderland

Atama wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Can be explained in 2 categories, the Bot abuse and the Alt abuse of systems.

Both of those can ravage through nodes with their lvl 1 gatherers armies which can only be properly dealt with other lv 1 armies to evade massive corruption gain on main high level characters.

As for lv 1 processors and crafters alts, they can be simple put in freeholds with little effort and do all their job for you in safety basically breaking the inter-dependency community design and creating the Dreaded Alt Advantage which in subscripion games can be considered P2W.

As for the use of the word "exploiting" you can interpret it the way you like.

Bots should be rare if nonexistent. The game has absolutely zero free-to-play options, which makes botting expensive, and there will be measures in place to detect and deal with scripting. I'm not naive enough to think that it will be impossible, but I can't see that it's feasible to do them.

I also don't see how you can abuse alts. As long as you're not botting, it's just another character you are playing. Multiboxing is going to be very difficult to achieve without automated scripting, which is bannable behavior that again they've pledged to detect and take care of.

I don't see level 1 gatherers being very useful. They aren't going to live very long. Let me just say, if it is anything like it was in Alpha 1, you are going to get mauled to death by NPCs before you're able to do much gathering.

I just don't think your scenario is going to work.

iF there is something WoW and Lineage 2(during subscription era) taught me is that botting and RMT are quite outstanding beast even in Subscription games where the prices of things are higher because of the existence of losses in subscription prices, but even higher prices for RMT to profit.

I pray that Ashes has amazing anti-cheating code and methods, atleast as amazing as the lengths RMTs will go to circumvent them, money truly is one of the strongest motivator out there you know?

Circunventing NPCs is the easiest thing when you know and program around their aggro ranges an paths.

In the end i just hope that you are right and that i'm wrong even tho it's very unlikely to be the case in my eyes...

Atama

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Can be explained in 2 categories, the Bot abuse and the Alt abuse of systems.

Both of those can ravage through nodes with their lvl 1 gatherers armies which can only be properly dealt with other lv 1 armies to evade massive corruption gain on main high level characters.

As for lv 1 processors and crafters alts, they can be simple put in freeholds with little effort and do all their job for you in safety basically breaking the inter-dependency community design and creating the Dreaded Alt Advantage which in subscripion games can be considered P2W.

As for the use of the word "exploiting" you can interpret it the way you like.

Bots should be rare if nonexistent. The game has absolutely zero free-to-play options, which makes botting expensive, and there will be measures in place to detect and deal with scripting. I'm not naive enough to think that it will be impossible, but I can't see that it's feasible to do them.

I also don't see how you can abuse alts. As long as you're not botting, it's just another character you are playing. Multiboxing is going to be very difficult to achieve without automated scripting, which is bannable behavior that again they've pledged to detect and take care of.

I don't see level 1 gatherers being very useful. They aren't going to live very long. Let me just say, if it is anything like it was in Alpha 1, you are going to get mauled to death by NPCs before you're able to do much gathering.

I just don't think your scenario is going to work.

iF there is something WoW and Lineage 2(during subscription era) taught me is that botting and RMT are quite outstanding beast even in Subscription games where the prices of things are higher because of the existence of losses in subscription prices, but even higher prices for RMT to profit.

I pray that Ashes has amazing anti-cheating code and methods, atleast as amazing as the lengths RMTs will go to circumvent them, money truly is one of the strongest motivator out there you know?

Circunventing NPCs is the easiest thing when you know and program around their aggro ranges an paths.

In the end i just hope that you are right and that i'm wrong even tho it's very unlikely to be the case in my eyes...

L2 and WoW let people play for free. That's why bots are feasible.

And NPCs were really aggressive and difficult to get around in A1. I'm speaking as someone who has been playing MMOs for much more than 20 years. They made it a lot harder than your typical MMO to get around safely.

novercalis

Atama wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Can be explained in 2 categories, the Bot abuse and the Alt abuse of systems.

Both of those can ravage through nodes with their lvl 1 gatherers armies which can only be properly dealt with other lv 1 armies to evade massive corruption gain on main high level characters.

As for lv 1 processors and crafters alts, they can be simple put in freeholds with little effort and do all their job for you in safety basically breaking the inter-dependency community design and creating the Dreaded Alt Advantage which in subscripion games can be considered P2W.

As for the use of the word "exploiting" you can interpret it the way you like.

Bots should be rare if nonexistent. The game has absolutely zero free-to-play options, which makes botting expensive, and there will be measures in place to detect and deal with scripting. I'm not naive enough to think that it will be impossible, but I can't see that it's feasible to do them.

I also don't see how you can abuse alts. As long as you're not botting, it's just another character you are playing. Multiboxing is going to be very difficult to achieve without automated scripting, which is bannable behavior that again they've pledged to detect and take care of.

I don't see level 1 gatherers being very useful. They aren't going to live very long. Let me just say, if it is anything like it was in Alpha 1, you are going to get mauled to death by NPCs before you're able to do much gathering.

I just don't think your scenario is going to work.

iF there is something WoW and Lineage 2(during subscription era) taught me is that botting and RMT are quite outstanding beast even in Subscription games where the prices of things are higher because of the existence of losses in subscription prices, but even higher prices for RMT to profit.

I pray that Ashes has amazing anti-cheating code and methods, atleast as amazing as the lengths RMTs will go to circumvent them, money truly is one of the strongest motivator out there you know?

Circunventing NPCs is the easiest thing when you know and program around their aggro ranges an paths.

In the end i just hope that you are right and that i'm wrong even tho it's very unlikely to be the case in my eyes...

L2 and WoW let people play for free. That's why bots are feasible.

And NPCs were really aggressive and difficult to get around in A1. I'm speaking as someone who has been playing MMOs for much more than 20 years. They made it a lot harder than your typical MMO to get around safely.

WoW isnt free.... RMT was huge in its prime, same went for Everquest during its prime and still is currently.
Both games are subscriptions. I can't speak on L2 since I never played it.

RMT will exist in Ashes of Creation - maybe not in terms of buying gold but players selling high end loot that are gated by the players.

Think of Vanilla WoW - Devilsaur Mafia and Lotus Mafia.
Everquest - not every player ever gets the chance to see raid content, since it is open world and contested - the same goes for AoC Raid Content. Poopsocking high end guilds will lock contents out from players and sell in-game at very high prices to eventually RMT via secret discords.

Okeydoke

Dolyem wrote: »

Send in an army of level 1 gatherers to strip a nodes resources. Can't kill them due to massive corruption difference.

I have full confidence they will fix this if it becomes an issue. It's such an easy fix with a no brainer variety of solutions.

The biggest issue I have with Ashes, and Intrepid, is the seemingly lack of confidence that others have already touched on.

It manifests itself on several different fronts that I'm not going to go in detail about. But it's concerning. Lead yourself and the genre with confidence Intrepid, or just be another average mmo.

Atama

novercalis wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Can be explained in 2 categories, the Bot abuse and the Alt abuse of systems.

Both of those can ravage through nodes with their lvl 1 gatherers armies which can only be properly dealt with other lv 1 armies to evade massive corruption gain on main high level characters.

As for lv 1 processors and crafters alts, they can be simple put in freeholds with little effort and do all their job for you in safety basically breaking the inter-dependency community design and creating the Dreaded Alt Advantage which in subscripion games can be considered P2W.

As for the use of the word "exploiting" you can interpret it the way you like.

Bots should be rare if nonexistent. The game has absolutely zero free-to-play options, which makes botting expensive, and there will be measures in place to detect and deal with scripting. I'm not naive enough to think that it will be impossible, but I can't see that it's feasible to do them.

I also don't see how you can abuse alts. As long as you're not botting, it's just another character you are playing. Multiboxing is going to be very difficult to achieve without automated scripting, which is bannable behavior that again they've pledged to detect and take care of.

I don't see level 1 gatherers being very useful. They aren't going to live very long. Let me just say, if it is anything like it was in Alpha 1, you are going to get mauled to death by NPCs before you're able to do much gathering.

I just don't think your scenario is going to work.

iF there is something WoW and Lineage 2(during subscription era) taught me is that botting and RMT are quite outstanding beast even in Subscription games where the prices of things are higher because of the existence of losses in subscription prices, but even higher prices for RMT to profit.

I pray that Ashes has amazing anti-cheating code and methods, atleast as amazing as the lengths RMTs will go to circumvent them, money truly is one of the strongest motivator out there you know?

Circunventing NPCs is the easiest thing when you know and program around their aggro ranges an paths.

In the end i just hope that you are right and that i'm wrong even tho it's very unlikely to be the case in my eyes...

L2 and WoW let people play for free. That's why bots are feasible.

And NPCs were really aggressive and difficult to get around in A1. I'm speaking as someone who has been playing MMOs for much more than 20 years. They made it a lot harder than your typical MMO to get around safely.

WoW isnt free.... RMT was huge in its prime, same went for Everquest during its prime and still is currently.
Both games are subscriptions. I can't speak on L2 since I never played it.

RMT will exist in Ashes of Creation - maybe not in terms of buying gold but players selling high end loot that are gated by the players.

Think of Vanilla WoW - Devilsaur Mafia and Lotus Mafia.
Everquest - not every player ever gets the chance to see raid content, since it is open world and contested - the same goes for AoC Raid Content. Poopsocking high end guilds will lock contents out from players and sell in-game at very high prices to eventually RMT via secret discords.

LOL, how many years has it been since you've played WoW?

https://www.engadget.com/2011-06-28-wow-goes-free-to-play-through-level-20.html

It has offered free play for over a decade now. It's only up to level 20 but just the same,

L2 is your typical free-to-play pay-to-win Asian MMO.

Of course RMT will exist. There is literally no way to prevent it. We are not talking about RMT as a whole, but specifically the feasibility of botting. In a game that has zero options for playing without a subscription, not even a demo (which many people have asked for over the years, not happening), you are automatically going to limit botting.

I play Lost Ark (though it has been a while since I logged in) and the vast majority of characters are bots. I am not kidding. In every zone you will see dozens of identical-looking characters running around and doing stuff. It's rare to see another actual person in most areas. That's sort of the other extreme.

Just look at this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/y86rjn/the_extent_of_botting_in_lost_ark/

Now apparently this is mostly an issue in North American servers. Not EU servers. Why? Because folks in North America will actually buy gold and other resources. Folks in EU aren't buying. So therefore, bots are much rarer.

But I don't think that it's the restrictive F2P that makes bots so rampant in WoW. It's because of Blizzard.

https://www.wired.com/story/world-of-warcraft-classic-russian-bots/

“There were over 50 people doing a line walk and yelling,” says Loknar. He was trying to draw attention to the issue, asking passers-by not to buy the Black Lotuses that bots put on the auction house at an inflated 300 gold. (The normal price on most servers, he says, is about half that.) Loknar made a racket, but the mafia knew how to shut him up. The bots mass-reported him to publisher Blizzard for “abusive chat.” Blizzard muted Loknar’s account, and those of other protest participants, for 24 hours. In the meantime, the bots got their Black Lotuses to the auction houses, where they maintained their monopoly.

If Intrepid doesn't suck as much as Blizzard, or Amazon (in the case of Lost Ark) then hopefully bots won't be an issue. Honestly, they're not a problem in most MMOs that I've played.

JamesSunderland

Atama wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Can be explained in 2 categories, the Bot abuse and the Alt abuse of systems.

Both of those can ravage through nodes with their lvl 1 gatherers armies which can only be properly dealt with other lv 1 armies to evade massive corruption gain on main high level characters.

As for lv 1 processors and crafters alts, they can be simple put in freeholds with little effort and do all their job for you in safety basically breaking the inter-dependency community design and creating the Dreaded Alt Advantage which in subscripion games can be considered P2W.

As for the use of the word "exploiting" you can interpret it the way you like.

Bots should be rare if nonexistent. The game has absolutely zero free-to-play options, which makes botting expensive, and there will be measures in place to detect and deal with scripting. I'm not naive enough to think that it will be impossible, but I can't see that it's feasible to do them.

I also don't see how you can abuse alts. As long as you're not botting, it's just another character you are playing. Multiboxing is going to be very difficult to achieve without automated scripting, which is bannable behavior that again they've pledged to detect and take care of.

I don't see level 1 gatherers being very useful. They aren't going to live very long. Let me just say, if it is anything like it was in Alpha 1, you are going to get mauled to death by NPCs before you're able to do much gathering.

I just don't think your scenario is going to work.

iF there is something WoW and Lineage 2(during subscription era) taught me is that botting and RMT are quite outstanding beast even in Subscription games where the prices of things are higher because of the existence of losses in subscription prices, but even higher prices for RMT to profit.

I pray that Ashes has amazing anti-cheating code and methods, atleast as amazing as the lengths RMTs will go to circumvent them, money truly is one of the strongest motivator out there you know?

Circunventing NPCs is the easiest thing when you know and program around their aggro ranges an paths.

In the end i just hope that you are right and that i'm wrong even tho it's very unlikely to be the case in my eyes...

L2 and WoW let people play for free. That's why bots are feasible.

And NPCs were really aggressive and difficult to get around in A1. I'm speaking as someone who has been playing MMOs for much more than 20 years. They made it a lot harder than your typical MMO to get around safely.

Lineage 2 for the absolute majority of its existence(before Free to play) did not had a free trial, and RMT/bots still thrived before it's implementation.

As for the NPCs, aggro range was still consistent and dealable tho, we will have to see what the end product will be.

Stryta

The PVP part of the game.

From what i think i know, the pvp feels more of a "lets have it in game but make it something you kinda dont have a lot of incentive." It seems like its an 80-20 sort of approach. i dont feel there is a whole lot of value in it. i feel pvp needs to have more benefit to it, other than getting some crafting materials. i know AoC is still early in development and no matter what intrepid does will be great.

I know intrepid has said they're about the whole feeling like you've actually achieved something with your character in terms of time played/ progression/ gearing etc. So in my opinion im hoping that after so many hours played, after getting the best gear and after building my character in a way im hoping that it will feel that way in pvp. like i know its not a popular opinion but if a maxed out dude attacks someone with no gear it should be pretty apparent. Personally im not a fan of the whole equalizing stats and what not. (i know they said they aren't going to do it)

Obviously it would be bad for maxed characters to be harassing newbies. So im hoping in terms of the bounty system that the bounties could be near infinite. Like i could be completely infamous in a server maybe to the point where certain nodes/NPCs attack on site ( maybe even jailed for an hour) and because of my decisions i would have to make my home in nodes who would be PvP oriented (maybe lawless). Me personally, if i made that decision to be heavily invest in pvp (world pvp that triggers the bounty system) i would be fine with having heavy penalties when im caught/killed or jailed.

On the other side of things, being that i enjoy both PVP and PVE i feel it would be part of the MMORPG experience in my opinion to have a 50/50 approach to pvp in terms of viability. I love the feel Ashes has going for it. i think pvp just need a little more "incentive"? without changing too much like changing the entire game into 50% pvp 50% pve overall. They said they're doing a Rock-Paper-Scissors sort of approach when it comes to balance between classes and that you'll feel like you've achieved something so im hoping this means that strong characters will feel strong in either pvp or pvp. Obviously not game breaking strong but like if im a pebble fighting a mountain, i want to feel that.

Thanks for reading

Ludullu

Stryta wrote: »

I love the feel Ashes has going for it. i think pvp just need a little more "incentive"?

I'm just curious, what would you want as that "incentive"?

Solvryn

IAmWarden01 wrote: »

While it is important to voice to the developers the things we enjoy about the game, and to encourage the game's creation, it's also equally important to voice our thoughts and opinions on things we don't like about the game and are concerned about.
What are some things you've seen that have you little concerned about or that you simply don't like?

I'm concerned that their combat will not be lockstep with their environment and we're going to get separate sets of art. it's going to be a huge detractor for the eye to follow. Also, not a fan of any of the fat the game has, like flavor texts. It's not a snipe till its a snipe.

S tiers don't exist, they're for entertainment. With that said, I have yet to see a MMO with combat that would actually pique interest of a lot of viewers online. Shroud has stated that the reason he doesn't stream WoW is because he loses a shit ton of followers. The art team is the best in the business, the interface will come in time, but I really hope they think about how their combat not only needs to captivate the people playing it, but they can build it in a way that its attractive to other viewers who would not normally watch an MMO being played.

So hope Ashes goes for the best combat system in the MMO genre, if they score an A. They've rose above all others. I don't know a single honest MMO player who would give any game an A if they're being completely honest. If you do thats fanboying, MMO combat systems are not a top priority.

We will see down the road, I'd like to see more originality out of the combat because it feels more like a Johnny Cash Cadillac meets a comic book. Hopefully they inject some of the realism they used and streamline it a bit, I hate gaudy looking lightshows.

Mini-Games for crafting are genuinely tedious and I'm a craftsman in real life, don't need it in game.

Mag7spy

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I would say the only thing i explicitly dislike about Ashes currently would be profession level progression not being directly bound to class level progression. Which could open up possibilities of "exploiting" the system with low class level master Gatherers/crafters.

Can you explain what you mean by exploiting? I am failing to understand the problem you are suggesting.

Can be explained in 2 categories, the Bot abuse and the Alt abuse of systems.

Both of those can ravage through nodes with their lvl 1 gatherers armies which can only be properly dealt with other lv 1 armies to evade massive corruption gain on main high level characters.

As for lv 1 processors and crafters alts, they can be simple put in freeholds with little effort and do all their job for you in safety basically breaking the inter-dependency community design and creating the Dreaded Alt Advantage which in subscripion games can be considered P2W.

As for the use of the word "exploiting" you can interpret it the way you like.

Bots should be rare if nonexistent. The game has absolutely zero free-to-play options, which makes botting expensive, and there will be measures in place to detect and deal with scripting. I'm not naive enough to think that it will be impossible, but I can't see that it's feasible to do them.

I also don't see how you can abuse alts. As long as you're not botting, it's just another character you are playing. Multiboxing is going to be very difficult to achieve without automated scripting, which is bannable behavior that again they've pledged to detect and take care of.

I don't see level 1 gatherers being very useful. They aren't going to live very long. Let me just say, if it is anything like it was in Alpha 1, you are going to get mauled to death by NPCs before you're able to do much gathering.

I just don't think your scenario is going to work.

iF there is something WoW and Lineage 2(during subscription era) taught me is that botting and RMT are quite outstanding beast even in Subscription games where the prices of things are higher because of the existence of losses in subscription prices, but even higher prices for RMT to profit.

I pray that Ashes has amazing anti-cheating code and methods, atleast as amazing as the lengths RMTs will go to circumvent them, money truly is one of the strongest motivator out there you know?

Circunventing NPCs is the easiest thing when you know and program around their aggro ranges an paths.

In the end i just hope that you are right and that i'm wrong even tho it's very unlikely to be the case in my eyes...

L2 and WoW let people play for free. That's why bots are feasible.

And NPCs were really aggressive and difficult to get around in A1. I'm speaking as someone who has been playing MMOs for much more than 20 years. They made it a lot harder than your typical MMO to get around safely.

WoW isnt free.... RMT was huge in its prime, same went for Everquest during its prime and still is currently.
Both games are subscriptions. I can't speak on L2 since I never played it.

RMT will exist in Ashes of Creation - maybe not in terms of buying gold but players selling high end loot that are gated by the players.

Think of Vanilla WoW - Devilsaur Mafia and Lotus Mafia.
Everquest - not every player ever gets the chance to see raid content, since it is open world and contested - the same goes for AoC Raid Content. Poopsocking high end guilds will lock contents out from players and sell in-game at very high prices to eventually RMT via secret discords.

LOL, how many years has it been since you've played WoW?

https://www.engadget.com/2011-06-28-wow-goes-free-to-play-through-level-20.html

It has offered free play for over a decade now. It's only up to level 20 but just the same,

L2 is your typical free-to-play pay-to-win Asian MMO.

Of course RMT will exist. There is literally no way to prevent it. We are not talking about RMT as a whole, but specifically the feasibility of botting. In a game that has zero options for playing without a subscription, not even a demo (which many people have asked for over the years, not happening), you are automatically going to limit botting.

I play Lost Ark (though it has been a while since I logged in) and the vast majority of characters are bots. I am not kidding. In every zone you will see dozens of identical-looking characters running around and doing stuff. It's rare to see another actual person in most areas. That's sort of the other extreme.

Just look at this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/y86rjn/the_extent_of_botting_in_lost_ark/

Now apparently this is mostly an issue in North American servers. Not EU servers. Why? Because folks in North America will actually buy gold and other resources. Folks in EU aren't buying. So therefore, bots are much rarer.

But I don't think that it's the restrictive F2P that makes bots so rampant in WoW. It's because of Blizzard.

https://www.wired.com/story/world-of-warcraft-classic-russian-bots/

“There were over 50 people doing a line walk and yelling,” says Loknar. He was trying to draw attention to the issue, asking passers-by not to buy the Black Lotuses that bots put on the auction house at an inflated 300 gold. (The normal price on most servers, he says, is about half that.) Loknar made a racket, but the mafia knew how to shut him up. The bots mass-reported him to publisher Blizzard for “abusive chat.” Blizzard muted Loknar’s account, and those of other protest participants, for 24 hours. In the meantime, the bots got their Black Lotuses to the auction houses, where they maintained their monopoly.

If Intrepid doesn't suck as much as Blizzard, or Amazon (in the case of Lost Ark) then hopefully bots won't be an issue. Honestly, they're not a problem in most MMOs that I've played.

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