I don't care for transmog. And i the minority? Where do you stand on it?

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Dygz wrote: »

I prefer to keep a signature appearance - if we need to upgrade stats by swapping gear, that's OK, but... I still want to maintain the signature appearance of my outfit/costume... similar to Batman, Wonder Woman or Gandalf.
Not really a fan of "Ultimate Shoulders Gandalf".

Yes yes yes. That is my main reason for cosmetic items/transmog.

Do you know how hard it was for me to get a decent pair of pants in WoW for my Cleric? I did not want to be a bathrobe wonder.

Iridianny

Transmog is the worst. I understand the reason people like it, but it takes away the novelty of collecting armor sets and their unique artwork if you can just override them.

effusivemind

I'm not sure that I care either way, as long as they don't have ridiculous looking sets to mog cuz then I feel it would break immersion and RP elements too much.

TBH, from what I've seen of the early state of mounts I already felt like some were over the top and that made me concerned about the direction mogging will go. But I know a lot of people also liked the early mount designs, so...

Villefort

hmm...I am neutral. I never had time to be bothered with it. But there were people who were obsessed with it.

I'd say having it as an option for players doesn't hurt...especially if you have to OWN the item that you're copying the design. This way you don't have people running around with epic looking gear that never even owned it in the first place.

so just to me, having it in the game doesn't hurt. People can choose to do it or not...I'd personally choose not because I have other things to do in game lol

But...with the use of AI image generation like Midjourney...there is no longer an excuse for subpar looking gear from developers. You can literally get an AI to make all kinds of epic looking gear as a design based on your input criteria...

JamieKaos

I really don't get why people are so bothered by transmogs, cosmetics I kind of get but I don't understand why people get upset about people using appearances of gear that they have already earned.

If you have a set you really like but it doesn't have the stats you want who cars, how does that break your immersion?

Also I know for a fact none of you are going to a see a set and know exactly how to counter the set bonuses or stats.

Why exactly about it do you hate. Other than not liking that other people enjoy it.

I've never seen a solid argument as to why transmogs are bad other than someone whining that they don't like seeing other people in different gear sets and that argument is so God damn weak.

It literally comes down to just wanting to dictate how other people enjoy their gaming experience on something that really doesn't make a difference at all.

It's cosmetic, no stat enchantments, not pay to win and it always seems to come down to others upset that they don't have the disposable income to get the neat fake item others can get.

Intrepid has also stated that in-game armor and earnable cosmetics will always look better or on par with in store items.

Further more, if the current cosmetic on the alpha and beta packs look better than in-game I honestly don't care, it's a way for people to show that they have supported the game during development. It's like having a badge or title as a founder and why shouldn't early backers have something awesome to show for it?

Songcaller

Some people hate cosmetics and transmogs because they can't or fear to fight the unknown. Hence why we are stuck with an armour tag.

TyranthraxusEQ

The pushback seems to come hardest from the PvP crowd. I assume the ganking end of said crowd. They want to know for certain the green gatherer they want to harvest isn't actually a fully raid geared character that doesn't like to look flashy. They want risk, but not when harvesting the greens. But that's just my assumption, and you know what they say about assumptions.
AITA?
yes, yes I am, but i don't think this is why.

Ludullu

TyranthraxusEQ wrote: »

The pushback seems to come hardest from the PvP crowd. I assume the ganking end of said crowd. They want to know for certain the green gatherer they want to harvest isn't actually a fully raid geared character that doesn't like to look flashy. They want risk, but not when harvesting the greens. But that's just my assumption, and you know what they say about assumptions.

Some of us want the exact opposite. I want to see a good enemy and go challenge them instead of some fucking rich 60y.o who bought himself a pretty cosmetic and is just picking flowers under a tree.

Songcaller

It's the pve crowd more than the pvp crowd. The pve crowd want to know when to give corruption and when to fight back. There's an old thread about this which is very clear on the facet.

effusivemind

JamieKaos wrote: »

I've never seen a solid argument as to why transmogs are bad other than someone whining that they don't like seeing other people in different gear sets and that argument is so God damn weak.

It literally comes down to just wanting to dictate how other people enjoy their gaming experience on something that really doesn't make a difference at all.

I don't care one way or another. I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's an MMORPG for a reason. Some people care about the RP part a lot. Mogging has definitely gotten out of hand in some other games

Ludullu

JamieKaos wrote: »

Also I know for a fact none of you are going to a see a set and know exactly how to counter the set bonuses or stats.

I come from a pvp game where you knew exactly how to counter every single set out there, because you had to and because they all looked unique on each different race/sex/class of characters.

And it also had the same flagging/corruption system as Ashes will. And when you saw someone running towards you, you could tell at a glance what their rough powerlvl was, so you'd also know how you'd measure up to them if they were to attack you. And sometimes you'd make the first attack purely to ward them off of you and make them run past you instead of engaging.

And while what Neurath said is partly true, iirc Art of War said "Know your enemy". And when you're playing a pvp game (a massive one at that), pretty much everyone around you could be your enemy, so not seeing their danger lvls at a glance is bad imo.

Yes, we'll have the buff icon for what your target is wearing, but that is nowhere close to sightreading that information. And when you're against literal hundreds of people during a siege or just during a guild/node war - knowing your preferred targets benefits both sides.

Which is another point btw, knowing what the opponent is wearing works for both sides, while transmogs only serve those who use them.

TyranthraxusEQ

My take is let ppl look however they want, as long as the item is available in the game, there's no reason to restrict ppl from using a graphic they like for their personal avatar. This includes everything from Heavy plate wizards to 90% naked tanks. If the items available It's fair game.
I'd suggest chicken suits not be added, but if the devs do so, then they do it knowing trolls are gonna troll. If you want a way to calculate gearscore at a glance, so you don't get ganked or reverse thrashed, that's a different argument, maybe a color con system that takes gearscore into account instead of just the usual level.

Ludullu

TyranthraxusEQ wrote: »

If you want a way to calculate gearscore at a glance, so you don't get ganked or reverse thrashed, that's a different argument, maybe a color con system that takes gearscore into account instead of just the usual level.

Imo gearscore is exactly what came out of the transmog system and I dislike it too. Games that rely on purely vertical power are bad (imo). The game's gotta be more diagonal

mcstackerson

NiKr wrote: »

Yes, we'll have the buff icon for what your target is wearing, but that is nowhere close to sightreading that information. And when you're against literal hundreds of people during a siege or just during a guild/node war - knowing your preferred targets benefits both sides.

My issue with this is crafters can customize the stats, passives, and set abilities on a piece of gear so you will have pieces of gear that looks the same in game but have completely different benefits.

You also won't know the abilities and augments someone has chosen just by looking at their class or the tattoos they are using to modify their attributes.

Yes, in other games, you might be able to get more information from visuals but in ashes, even without transmog, visuals don't mean much.

TyranthraxusEQ

I'm not a fan of being able to tell at a glance either. Was simply offering a different option to solve one of the supposed problems with Mogs. I do think you should be able to inspect ppl, within striking distance, not from range. And make a decision then if combat is worth the risk.
I will never play a game that makes me look like a peacock in order to be powerful, and I doubt I'm alone here.

Ludullu

mcstackerson wrote: »

My issue with this is crafters can customize the stats, passives, and set abilities on a piece of gear so you will have pieces of gear that looks the same in game but have completely different benefits.

You also won't know the abilities and augments someone has chosen just by looking at their class or the tattoos they are using to modify their attributes.

We don't know the full extent of crafting freedom, but yeah that could be a point towards transmog.

And as for abilities and augments, I'm almost sure that there'll be certain gear that works best with particular builds. At which point it'd be about your knowledge of builds and combinations that would give you the upper hand. And unless a crafter can change literally the entire stat/effect side of any given piece of gear - you'll still have most likely builds when you see some gear pieces/sets. But at that stage, what is even the point of transmog if you can literally change your preferred gear's stats and effects to whatever you want and just use that.

mcstackerson

NiKr wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

My issue with this is crafters can customize the stats, passives, and set abilities on a piece of gear so you will have pieces of gear that looks the same in game but have completely different benefits.

You also won't know the abilities and augments someone has chosen just by looking at their class or the tattoos they are using to modify their attributes.

We don't know the full extent of crafting freedom, but yeah that could be a point towards transmog.

And as for abilities and augments, I'm almost sure that there'll be certain gear that works best with particular builds. At which point it'd be about your knowledge of builds and combinations that would give you the upper hand. And unless a crafter can change literally the entire stat/effect side of any given piece of gear - you'll still have most likely builds when you see some gear pieces/sets. But at that stage, what is even the point of transmog if you can literally change your preferred gear's stats and effects to whatever you want and just use that.

Transmoging is an easier way to customize appearance than making a crafter re-craft an item. It also makes it so appearances can be something the player can collect instead of making the crafter collect them.

Ludullu

mcstackerson wrote: »

Transmoging is an easier way to customize appearance than making a crafter re-craft an item. It also makes it so appearances can be something the player can collect instead of making the crafter collect them.

If you've received an item to enable its transmog, then you can probably get it through crafting already (that is, you have the means to get it). And I think it'd be beneficial for the game to socialize people through the crafting process (kinda already the case), so if you can get your preferred item and you have the connections with crafters that could make this item have the stats you want - why not do that?

I guess there's the case of someone liking a low lvl item visual instead of literally all high lvl items, but I dunno how many people would be that way.

Dygz

Iridianny wrote: »

Transmog is the worst. I understand the reason people like it, but it takes away the novelty of collecting armor sets and their unique artwork if you can just override them.

I don't see how it takes anything away if you can use those unique sets as a transmog.
In WoW, the transmogs I use for my alts are from sets I have acquired through gameplay.

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

Which is another point btw, knowing what the opponent is wearing works for both sides, while transmogs only serve those who use them.

Uh... no.
Transmogs are a much appreciated courtesy from other players - so I don't have to be subjected to the torture of fugly, mis-matched "BiS gear".

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