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Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

1. You gain nothing from lying about me saying I was talking about any clips of end game
2. The conversation was about the website that was referenced which is pretty clear as that was what my comment directly talked about.
3. No one mentioned anything about end game pve the talk is about dps meters and the site.

Point 1, I didn't say you were talking about clips of end game content, I said you were talking about clips of mid-tier content that you mistook for end game content.

However, I will quote you.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Asmongold literarily shows this content on stream....Why are you basing points in a discussion off assumptions that don't add anything to the conversation.

This was your justification for why you know end game content. Because Asmon shows it on Stream. Except he doesn't - you just think that what he shows on stream is end game.

Point 2, the conversation is not about that website, you are just trying to make it about that website. WoWlog was only linked as an example of a combat tracker, not as an example of what people here are asking for. In 183 pages of this thread, no one has said they want WoWlogs style trackers, people are asking for either local trackers (ACT) or have Intrepid set up trackers in game.

You are just trying to turn the conversation to WoWlogs because someone mentioned it, and you know there will be a number of people that are all for one or the other of the options actually desired, but who would be against WoWlogs (I am included in this group, I do not want to see WoWlogs style trackers in Ashes). Basically, someone mentioned a thing, and now you are trying to say that the thing is what the discussion is about purely because that suits your argument better.

And you want to call me dishonest.

Point 3, end game PvE has been a consistent throughout this thread, as the discussion has often been based on the notion that a combat tracker is not needed at all for low end content, nor even mid tier content. It is top end content where a combat tracker is at it's most useful (in regards to it's content based functionality). The notion of top end PvE content is more salient and more present in this thread that WoWlogs - the site you are erroneously trying to say the discussion is about.

The only reason I insult you is because you deserve it. Stop posting stupid things like "this 183 page discussion is about the thing that was first mentioned at the end of the last page", and maybe - just maybe - it would stop.

That said, there are a lot of things you do and say that are "like" the above, so there is a lot you would need to change.

Gandalfthegrape

I just want a way to know If I did better this time than last time.

Even like a smiley or frowney face.

Doesn't need to be a number. This could apply for anything healing, cc, player saves, dispells, etc.

ff14 bans them but people wtill use them. I think you should do the same and heavily discourage them while providing another system that does a similar thing.

Mag7spy

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

1. You gain nothing from lying about me saying I was talking about any clips of end game
2. The conversation was about the website that was referenced which is pretty clear as that was what my comment directly talked about.
3. No one mentioned anything about end game pve the talk is about dps meters and the site.

Point 1, I didn't say you were talking about clips of end game content, I said you were talking about clips of mid-tier content that you mistook for end game content.

However, I will quote you.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Asmongold literarily shows this content on stream....Why are you basing points in a discussion off assumptions that don't add anything to the conversation.

This was your justification for why you know end game content. Because Asmon shows it on Stream. Except he doesn't - you just think that what he shows on stream is end game.

Point 2, the conversation is not about that website, you are just trying to make it about that website. WoWlog was only linked as an example of a combat tracker, not as an example of what people here are asking for. In 183 pages of this thread, no one has said they want WoWlogs style trackers, people are asking for either local trackers (ACT) or have Intrepid set up trackers in game.

You are just trying to turn the conversation to WoWlogs because someone mentioned it, and you know there will be a number of people that are all for one or the other of the options actually desired, but who would be against WoWlogs (I am included in this group, I do not want to see WoWlogs style trackers in Ashes). Basically, someone mentioned a thing, and now you are trying to say that the thing is what the discussion is about purely because that suits your argument better.

And you want to call me dishonest.

Point 3, end game PvE has been a consistent throughout this thread, as the discussion has often been based on the notion that a combat tracker is not needed at all for low end content, nor even mid tier content. It is top end content where a combat tracker is at it's most useful (in regards to it's content based functionality). The notion of top end PvE content is more salient and more present in this thread that WoWlogs - the site you are erroneously trying to say the discussion is about.

The only reason I insult you is because you deserve it. Stop posting stupid things like "this 183 page discussion is about the thing that was first mentioned at the end of the last page", and maybe - just maybe - it would stop.

That said, there are a lot of things you do and say that are "like" the above, so there is a lot you would need to change.

You jump in a discussion im having with someone else and quote me and you talk about wowlogs in it why are you continuing to lie again on the forums. You are fully aware of the discussion at with him and you talking about wow logs. And nothing of me mentioning PvE content, end, mid or low tier in any of my comments as clearly the topic was wowlogs.

1. you did this i order to try to insult me as i have stated before

You are being quoted and the discussion is about wowlogs you are talking about logs, I honestly could careless what you think about WoW content. I NEVER TALKED ABOUT PVE RAID CONTENT IN A VIDEO.

You are assuming weird things, changing the topic and trying to put words in my mouth as well as again doing your pattern of insults.

Mag7spy

@Noaani

The only reason I insult you is because you deserve it. Stop posting stupid things like "this 183 page discussion is about the thing that was first mentioned at the end of the last page", and maybe - just maybe - it would stop.

That said, there are a lot of things you do and say that are "like" the above, so there is a lot you would need to change.

I deserve to be insulted for having different opinions than you from you are putting words in my mouth on something that is currently not being talked about as we are talking about wow logs.

What kind of world do you live in....

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

You are being quoted and the discussion is about wowlogs

See, to you it is about WoWlogs the site, to the person you are discussing with, it is about combat logs in general, WoWlogs just happens to be the one they are using now and so is what they are using as an example.

The only person that thinks the discussion you two are having is specifically about WoWlogs rather than combat logs in general is you. That is why I pointed that out to you.

Mag7spy wrote: »

@Noaani

The only reason I insult you is because you deserve it. Stop posting stupid things like "this 183 page discussion is about the thing that was first mentioned at the end of the last page", and maybe - just maybe - it would stop.

That said, there are a lot of things you do and say that are "like" the above, so there is a lot you would need to change.

I deserve to be insulted for having different opinions than you from you.

NiKr has different opinions to me on almost every topic, yet you dont see me insulting him (not even the mild jabs that dont actually count as insults that are all you get).

The reason you get those small jabs is because of the way you argue, not because of the opinions you have. It's the same reason I used to always have jabs at Dygz - his discussion style was unconductive to actually having a discussion.

So is yours. You cant make claims like "Asmon literally shows this content on stream" and then also say

Mag7spy wrote: »

I NEVER TALKED ABOUT PVE RAID CONTENT IN A VIDEO.

If someone misunderstood what you meant when you talked about the content Asmon showed in his videos, dont cry like a 12 year old about it (the all caps above is crying like a 12 year old). Rather, grow up and simply accept that you were not clear in what you originally said, and clarify your statement.

Just keep in mind, if your clarification doesnt make sense - if it seems like you are trying to alter what you said - you will be called out for it.

Mag7spy

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

You are being quoted and the discussion is about wowlogs

See, to you it is about WoWlogs the site, to the person you are discussing with, it is about combat logs in general, WoWlogs just happens to be the one they are using now and so is what they are using as an example.

The only person that thinks the discussion you two are having is specifically about WoWlogs rather than combat logs in general is you. That is why I pointed that out to you.

Mag7spy wrote: »

@Noaani

The only reason I insult you is because you deserve it. Stop posting stupid things like "this 183 page discussion is about the thing that was first mentioned at the end of the last page", and maybe - just maybe - it would stop.

That said, there are a lot of things you do and say that are "like" the above, so there is a lot you would need to change.

I deserve to be insulted for having different opinions than you from you.

NiKr has different opinions to me on almost every topic, yet you dont see me insulting him (not even the mild jabs that dont actually count as insults that are all you get).

The reason you get those small jabs is because of the way you argue, not because of the opinions you have. It's the same reason I used to always have jabs at Dygz - his discussion style was unconductive to actually having a discussion.

So is yours. You cant make claims like "Asmon literally shows this content on stream" and then also say

Mag7spy wrote: »

I NEVER TALKED ABOUT PVE RAID CONTENT IN A VIDEO.

If someone misunderstood what you meant when you talked about the content Asmon showed in his videos, dont cry like a 12 year old about it (the all caps above is crying like a 12 year old). Rather, grow up and simply accept that you were not clear in what you originally said, and clarify your statement.

Just keep in mind, if your clarification doesnt make sense - if it seems like you are trying to alter what you said - you will be called out for it.

You just love to keep just going with the insults I see, It is in all caps so you can read it. If you can't understand the conversation going on you shouldn't chime in on it unless you are well of aware of what is being discussed.

You were perfectly aware we are talking about the wow log site as it was linked, there was 0 mention of any eng game anything and you went on to assume so you could attempt to insult as usual.

This is exactly why you can't quote nor listen to the discussion at hand. You are being called out for making up dialogue and attempting to put it in my mouth to insult.

My post was clear as was the conversation there is 0 reason for me to start talking about end game raiding when we are literarily talking about DPs meters.

Every Post I see from you is literarily trying to insult me on a topic that we were not even talking about in this forum post. Perhaps if you stopped trying to argue with everyone and getting different threads mixed up and listened you would understand what people are talking about better.

Next time read the post and stay on topic, rather than attempting to use every post to sling insults and passive aggressive comments, you are an adult act like one.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

You just love to keep just going with the insults I see

There were no insults (nor even any jabs) in the post you quoted.

I am perfectly aware you wanted to talk about the WoWlogs site, as it was linked, I am also aware that the person that linked it was using it as a general example rather than a specific example, which is why I specifically said no one is asking for that kind of thing in Ashes.

You could perhaps note that I never stopped you from talking about it with the poster that bought it up, nor would I be able to if I wanted. All I am able to do is what I did - point out that it is not what is being asked for by anyone in this thread.

If you want to make the representation that it is, then I will again remind you (and those reading) that it is not what is being asked for.

In the same way I can not stop you from discussing WoWlogs with the poster that bought it up (who seems somewhat uninterested in getting in to a discussion with you), you can not stop me from pointing the above out.

As to your comments about not talking about top end PvE raiding - the entire thread is about combat trackers, with is a subsection of top end PvE raiding as a topic in and of itself. That is like trying to say you are talking about PvP in a game, but are not interested at all about talking about the classes in that game. The two are intrinsically intertwined, you can not have a discussion about one without the other.

However, if you insist you are not talking about top end PvE content, what exactly is it you are talking about here?

Mag7spy wrote: »

Asmongold literarily shows this content on stream...

If I have misunderstood you, all you need to do to rectify that is clarify what you mean.

MybroViajero

Dolyem

MybroViajero wrote: »

Ludullu

MybroViajero wrote: »

Mag7spy

Troll post are real, people really be bored at the start of the new year.

Solvryn

If the game is designed to where all of the bosses are stupid target dummies where a player can be a useless parse bot on, then the game is already designed poorly.

I'd prefer there be environmental, mechanical, and other conditions apart of massive fights instead rolling your face across the keyboard and killing the boss.

Songcaller

Some would state a dps meter makes encounters face roll too. Ashes will have input rng and possibly output rng too.

Mag7spy

Don't feed the troll, he is just bringing the thread back up for more arguments for no reason. Actual full troll since he had nothing to say but using a naruto meme

MybroViajero

Come on, why are you so bitter?
Good topics always need to be revived.
It is the cycle of life and death of a good topic.

Songcaller

Because after 37,000 views and 5.5 k comments the position remains the same.

Noaani

Neurath wrote: »

Some would state a dps meter makes encounters face roll too. Ashes will have input rng and possibly output rng too.

A comment such as this would require that games with combat trackers present have no difficult encounters at all - and people that make it would be required to have killed every encounter in games with combat trackers in order to be able to state the above with any kind of validity. If a person making this comment didn't kill Uu'nat, or Kil'Jaeden pre-nerf, then that person has no place in making the above claim.

I mean, when the most popular MMO of all time, that has tools far more assistive than just combat trackers still manages to have encounters that top end guilds take 750+ attempts on, saying combat trackers make encounters face roll is just showing that commentors ignorance.

The only game I know of that has low combat tracker use (Archeage) had encounters that were defeated after 10 actual attempts at the most while I was playing it. Many of the games so-called top encounters were killed on first attempts (my guild killed the Kraken on our first ever pull - it was supposed to be the hardest boss in the game at the time).

The above statement is simply not borne out by the facts. If you actually look at encounters in games, the more active combat tracker use is, the harder the encounters in the game actually are. People can say they don't like combat trackers - but making factually incorrect statement in support of their argument simply doesn't work.

Truth is, a combat tracker in itself only displays information the player already has access to. As such, all a combat tracker does is speed up the process of gaining information on an encounter. As such, if an encounter is face roll with a combat tracker, it is face roll without a combat tracker once a guild spends the time to sort through that information.

Songcaller

Sometimes I wonder if you really believe your own subjective notions. Two raid bosses count towards non face roll combat tracker usage? The selective pool is in the hundreds perhaps the thousands now.

It doesn't matter how many takes are needed to kill a boss. The fact remains the boss couldn't be killed until enough practice and knowledge had been obtained. The tracker merely presented the information in an easier manner.

All a tracker does is provide the same information a log provides. Just because you can claim two fights needed a tracker doesn't equate to all fights need a tracker to make the difficulty harder.

Dolyem

MybroViajero wrote: »

Noaani

Neurath wrote: »

Sometimes I wonder if you really believe your own subjective notions. Two raid bosses count towards non face roll combat tracker usage?

Are you confusing someone giving a few examples with someone giving an exhaustive list?

Something many players don't seem to understand (not saying this is you or not, don't care) is that not all raid content is designed to be hard. In fact, most of it is designed to be fairly easy.

A content cycles worth of raid content is a progression in and of itself. It starts off dead easy - to the point where top end raiders can often take on entry level raid content of a new content cycle with less than a quarter of the intended raid size. The intent is for it to get more difficult and more varied from that point.

In terms of actual difficult encounters, most games aim for 2 or 3 at the most per content cycle. Since a game like WoW has a content cycle every 2 or so years, it only has one actual difficult encounter per year. As such, the pool of difficult encounters to point to in WoW (specifically) is not in the thousands as you claim, the list of encounters that even had an attempt to be difficult is perhaps two dozen, if I were to be generous.

I mean, you don't get to point to an encounter in a game with combat trackers and say how easy it is and combat trackers are the reason, when the actual design intent behind that encounter was for it to be easy.

On the other hand, if you are going to make claims that combat trackers make content easy, or more specifically...

Neurath wrote: »

Some would state a dps meter makes encounters face roll too.

Then all it takes to prove that comment factually incorrect is a single encounter that is objectively difficult in a game that has a high use of combat trackers.

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