Basic attacks in games

I've been playing a lot of Outworld lately and it's basic attack system is extremely interesting. There's more than LMB, infact you can LMB and MMB to form a variety of maneuvers in conjunction with movement.

Anyone else play games that have pretty interesting basic attack systems?

Find more posts tagged with

Comments

blta

Nier games had that as well, can make combo moves depending on movement, very satisfying!
I can't recall any that were just basic attacks purely, I guess games like smah bros or brawlhalla?

It would be interesting to have a game based on mouse movements, like mouse forward with LMB would be different than mouse back with LMB, etc

Ludullu

Does BDO apply here? Cause it's all about movement-based attacks.

Azherae

The question is difficult, actually...

So like, Monster Hunter?

(please don't take this the wrong way I have no other quick way to say it)
MMO players don't often play more complex Action games, so I have no way to tell if you are in that camp, or the camp who does play them but is asking about something completely different because of inexperience.

Solvryn

NiKr wrote: »

Does BDO apply here? Cause it's all about movement-based attacks.

Any game.

Solvryn

Azherae wrote: »

The question is difficult, actually...

So like, Monster Hunter?

(please don't take this the wrong way I have no other quick way to say it)
MMO players don't often play more complex Action games, so I have no way to tell if you are in that camp, or the camp who does play them but is asking about something completely different because of inexperience.

I was just seeing what games people played that had very interesting basic attack systems like Outward does.

In my 20+ years of MMO gaming and 30+ years of gaming I enjoy finding little systems like that. Really all it is.

Azherae

Solvryn wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Does BDO apply here? Cause it's all about movement-based attacks.

Any game.

In that case, can I also assume that 'Basic Attack' means 'use your primary weapon, little or no special flourish or windup'?

I would need a way to distinguish 'games where one does flashy things with your standard primary weapon' from 'standard things done with the primary weapon'. To me, a 'Basic Attack' usually only means the second one, but I might be jumping too far.

EDIT: Figured out how to ask properly.

"Is everything shown here a Basic Attack?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltfWqxcGUs

novercalis

Rakion... a very very old korean arena game. Super fun during it's prime. Lots of combo moves working off the basic attack

Ludullu

Azherae wrote: »

In that case, can I also assume that 'Basic Attack' means 'use your primary weapon, little or no special flourish or windup'?

I would need a way to distinguish 'games where one does flashy things with your standard primary weapon' from 'standard things done with the primary weapon'. To me, a 'Basic Attack' usually only means the second one, but I might be jumping too far.

I think that martial arts game that you keep mentioning to me would probably fit. I keep forgetting its name

Wanted to post it here, cause it looked like you do "basic attacks" there, but they all have different executions.

Solvryn

Azherae wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Does BDO apply here? Cause it's all about movement-based attacks.

Any game.

In that case, can I also assume that 'Basic Attack' means 'use your primary weapon, little or no special flourish or windup'?

I would need a way to distinguish 'games where one does flashy things with your standard primary weapon' from 'standard things done with the primary weapon'. To me, a 'Basic Attack' usually only means the second one, but I might be jumping too far.

EDIT: Figured out how to ask properly.

"Is everything shown here a Basic Attack?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltfWqxcGUs

Ah, I'm clarifying incredibly poorly. Usually done by your mouse buttons and not by your hotbar.

Azherae

Solvryn wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Does BDO apply here? Cause it's all about movement-based attacks.

Any game.

In that case, can I also assume that 'Basic Attack' means 'use your primary weapon, little or no special flourish or windup'?

I would need a way to distinguish 'games where one does flashy things with your standard primary weapon' from 'standard things done with the primary weapon'. To me, a 'Basic Attack' usually only means the second one, but I might be jumping too far.

EDIT: Figured out how to ask properly.

"Is everything shown here a Basic Attack?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltfWqxcGUs

Ah, I'm clarifying incredibly poorly. Usually done by your mouse buttons and not by your hotbar.

Ok, that's somewhat helpful, overall though, it comes up because Action Games of the type don't have a Hotbar to begin with.

Forgive me, I really do forget that these experiences are not 'commonly known to everyone'.

@NiKr, Absolver is effectively a fighting game though, and I feel like one doesn't count those EVEN if it is functionally the same. Hence why I asked about Monster Hunter to begin with. Absolver is probably much past that, despite being playable with KBM (Apparently the KBM players are quite good at it, it's actually slightly easier because you can use the mouse itself for stance changes differently)

Ludullu

Azherae wrote: »

NiKr, Absolver is effectively a fighting game though, and I feel like one doesn't count those EVEN if it is functionally the same. Hence why I asked about Monster Hunter to begin with. Absolver is probably much past that, despite being playable with KBM (Apparently the KBM players are quite good at it, it's actually slightly easier because you can use the mouse itself for stance changes differently)

"Any game"'s any game

So in a way fighting games are the exact thing with the unique basic attacks. And when you then take those mechanics into a non-2d games - that's even more unique. So I feel like it fits.

Stalwart

I know it was a contentious topic for some but I actually liked weaving in basic attacks in ESO. Sometimes also referred to as animation canceling. You learn a rhythm of light attack then skill. The better you can match your rhythm to the global cool down the better dps you can do.

George_Black

Stalwart wrote: »

I know it was a contentious topic for some but I actually liked weaving in basic attacks in ESO. Sometimes also referred to as animation canceling. You learn a rhythm of light attack then skill. The better you can match your rhythm to the global cool down the better dps you can do.

Worst looking combat ever. 20 minutes of AC practice for a lifetime of bad visuals.

George_Black

Dark souls, sekiro, elden ring, witcher 3, dragon age inquisition, tera online. All these games had top notch basic attack animations with good body posture, and each hit feels impactful.

Stalwart

George_Black wrote: »

Stalwart wrote: »

I know it was a contentious topic for some but I actually liked weaving in basic attacks in ESO. Sometimes also referred to as animation canceling. You learn a rhythm of light attack then skill. The better you can match your rhythm to the global cool down the better dps you can do.

Worst looking combat ever. 20 minutes of AC practice for a lifetime of bad visuals.

Yeah it was pretty much animations be damned. If you could make it look good, I like it as a solution to keep basic attacks interesting. Make them fit between your skill rotation.

George_Black

Stalwart wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Stalwart wrote: »

I know it was a contentious topic for some but I actually liked weaving in basic attacks in ESO. Sometimes also referred to as animation canceling. You learn a rhythm of light attack then skill. The better you can match your rhythm to the global cool down the better dps you can do.

Worst looking combat ever. 20 minutes of AC practice for a lifetime of bad visuals.

Yeah it was pretty much animations be damned. If you could make it look good, I like it as a solution to keep basic attacks interesting. Make them fit between your skill rotation.

Ye but AoC had also the terrible global cooldown for all skills. AoC has individual skill CD. Weaving wont have the same impact on dmg output. Not even close.

Songcaller

Also, the devs stated they don't want animation cancelling in ashes.

Solvryn

Stalwart wrote: »

I know it was a contentious topic for some but I actually liked weaving in basic attacks in ESO. Sometimes also referred to as animation canceling. You learn a rhythm of light attack then skill. The better you can match your rhythm to the global cool down the better dps you can do.

Eh, I liked light attacks in the Overload ult.

I was thinking more in-depth basic attack systems.

Stalwart

Solvryn wrote: »

Stalwart wrote: »

I know it was a contentious topic for some but I actually liked weaving in basic attacks in ESO. Sometimes also referred to as animation canceling. You learn a rhythm of light attack then skill. The better you can match your rhythm to the global cool down the better dps you can do.

Eh, I liked light attacks in the Overload ult.

I was thinking more in-depth basic attack systems.

Yeah I was thinking basic attacks are fundamentally worse than your skills. So the more skills in your rotation the better. If a basic attack must replace a skill then it will be better the less you use it (if at all). So to make basic attacks relevant you put them between your skills, not replace your skills.

You could take this a step further. Your basic attacks could have a pattern (light, light, heavy for example) to get the most damage out of them. Or the type of basic attack could influence the next skill you press. You can still make the basic attacks interesting but you need to keep them relevant in a jammed-pack skill rotation.

I'm not asking for animation canceling btw. That was just what ESO did because they didn't think it through.

effusivemind

Stalwart wrote: »

Yeah I was thinking basic attacks are fundamentally worse than your skills. So the more skills in your rotation the better. If a basic attack must replace a skill then it will be better the less you use it (if at all). So to make basic attacks relevant you put them between your skills, not replace your skills.

They can also complement each other, too. I remember one dev. update Q&A where Steven said you can potentially spec to have a chance for basic attacks to proc a bleed, and maybe there would be something like a passive where you do additional dmg to bleeding targets

Child Item