Military Node Only Building - Training Hall

There has been an ongoing debate for years as to why or why not DPS meters should or should not be in Ashes of Creation. There are big pros and big cons, and I definitely agree that DPS meters can be used as a tool to ostracize less skilled players and make it more difficult for them to get into groups, especially in a game where server reputation will matter. However, one of the big pros of the DPS meter is that everyone can use it to improve, learning a better rotation of abilities, thereby helping the less skilled players get better, and improving their server reputation.

My idea is that the Military Node could have a building called the Training Hall. I'm suggesting Military Node only due to the thematic nature of the node and getting better at combat. This would be the one place in the entire game that would have something similar to a DPS meter. Some sort of interface that a player could choose to activate, and it record their abilities and damage for however long the player attacked a training dummy. Then allow the player to share the output if needed, either from being able to send the output to someone else in the game or streaming it.

With the DPS meter being confined to this one location, players would still get the benefit of being able to use it in a positive way. This would enable them to get better at their rotation, but the negative of them doing less than optimal damage to a boss, it being pointed out and them being shunned for it would be negated.

This would in no way be meant to replace any already currently planned Military Node buildings. Maybe this functionality could be added to a building that's already planned?

It may end up being a problem that numbers are shown anywhere, depending on how people look at it. Because guilds or groups could still ask for the person's DPS dummy numbers as a way to gatekeep. Maybe it would be better to have the dummies there and not show numbers? Only being a way for players to practice the combo mechanic of working together to master stacking debuffs and buffs?

As a guild leader, I would much rather see something like this in the game, than something like the DPS meters for Final Fantasy 14 be developed as a third party tool. I really like the idea of not having any addons or third party overlays.

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Dracobringer

Neurath wrote: »

Yeah but you can't ignore the martial half of military node and be selective in what you train. You said it wasn't all about pvp and added pve, I merely added the ability for those who seek mayorship to also have access.

I see Military Nodes to be like Sparta.

Yeah, it's definitely true that your idea of having a place to practice with the champion would fit in well thematically with the training hall idea.

Songcaller

Okay. The council has adjourned. Mayor seeks funds for Training Hall. Prayers to The Sandal God.

Liniker

Dracobringer wrote: »

Your suggestion is very different and unrelated. Please stay on topic for what this thread is about

was trying to suggest something feasible, simple to do, and with the option to implement your DPS meter thing,

but since you only wanna focus on your idea: I am absolutely against scope creep, and messing around with creating new buildings for specific node types (the most complex system in the game that we already know they have concluded the design for each node type and their buildings) - is the definition of scope creep so I think it's a really bad idea and I'm against this.

Arya_Yeshe

My idea is to create a training dummy that starts a one-minute timer and displays stats when hit. While I appreciate the training dummies in Guild Wars 2, I find that they lack certain functionalities.

Would be lovely if the training dummy shows the biggest damage of the day and the damage of the last trainning session.

Yay or nay?

Dracobringer

Liniker wrote: »

Oh cool, thank you for sharing that screenshot of discord. I didn't realize they had already come that far along. Hopefully something enabling players to practice was included with it. I'd be totally fine with this being added later on, even though it would be the most useful at launch. It would actually be especially useful during testing the game also lol, that might be showing too much though.

Also too though, Steven specifically mentioned that they're still undergoing implementation, which means they're not actually done yet lol.

Dracobringer

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

My idea is to create a training dummy that starts a one-minute timer and displays stats when hit. While I appreciate the training dummies in Guild Wars 2, I find that they lack certain functionalities.

Would be lovely if the training dummy shows the biggest damage of the day and the damage of the last trainning session.

Yay or nay?

Being able to see past training session information definitely sounds like a cool idea to me

Songcaller

I'm under the impression the training hall can just be an instance of the martial arena. Instances can be swift to implement and come with various flavours. Of course, if the devs want to give us an actual structure then i won't argue lol.

Dracobringer

Neurath wrote: »

I'm under the impression the training hall can just be an instance of the martial arena. Instances can be swift to implement and come with various flavours. Of course, if the devs want to give us an actual structure then i won't argue lol.

Yeah, it makes sense to me that it would be instanced, because of how many people might want to use something like this at once, and the body blocking mechanic in the game would cause people to get frustrated.

Jorduin

Liniker wrote: »

Dracobringer wrote: »

Your suggestion is very different and unrelated. Please stay on topic for what this thread is about

was trying to suggest something feasible, simple to do, and with the option to implement your DPS meter thing,

but since you only wanna focus on your idea: I am absolutely against scope creep, and messing around with creating new buildings for specific node types (the most complex system in the game that we already know they have concluded the design for each node type and their buildings) - is the definition of scope creep so I think it's a really bad idea and I'm against this.

Liniker wrote: »

I've been making this suggestion for a few years, it's a similar concept to yours

Black Desert Online has these small open world arenas outside major towns, its just a spot where upon entering the zone you are flagged for combat, and you can insta-respawn there with no penalties

I really, REALLY wished Ashes did something like this.... every node, not only military, could build these places, and this would be different than ranked arenas that are instanced, this is just a spot in the open world for people to practice and your suggestion with having DPS meter allowed inside this places could also be a thing

You've come to a thread to start a new thread inside it suggesting your own system addition then claiming that adding systems in that fashion is a terrible idea. While acknowledging that you view your suggestion as similar to the OP's in this same thread you 180 into claiming that you are absolutely against systems being added...
So my questions:
Did you think your systems were similar for a reason other than "dps meter" appearing in the posts?
Were you so strongly against adding *any* systems when considering your own, "similar" concept?
Why not make your own thread? O.o

Jorduin

Dracobringer wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I'm under the impression the training hall can just be an instance of the martial arena. Instances can be swift to implement and come with various flavours. Of course, if the devs want to give us an actual structure then i won't argue lol.

Yeah, it makes sense to me that it would be instanced, because of how many people might want to use something like this at once, and the body blocking mechanic in the game would cause people to get frustrated.

Rather than adding a full building or the like- this may have been recommended already but simply adding a Door to an existing military or other more common building/area would work if instanced.

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