Tower of Carphin - What do you want to see and expect?

Curious what people will expect to see and what they might want to see as well? Unsure of the level they will start at, I'm guessing it will be 15-30 since they have not shown the full classes that unlock at lvl 35. Which I'm guessing they are doing it to show some more group level gameplay, maybe new class and dungeon mechanics for around that level.

So as the title what kinds of things do you guys think you will see, and want to see in terms of difficulty, mechanics, gear drops, etc.

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Mag7spy

Voxtrium wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Ok, this makes me a bit hyped and somewhat hopeful. Though obviously that's just copium talking.

broad, non specifics

That is what summaries are!

Combined with the confirmation from Stephen himself that they will not be giving us any detail but rather "a brief glimpse" regarding the dungeon, there is really not much too expect.

and using words/phrases like "functionality, real time sequencing and zone transitions", to describe the next livestream indicates that they won't have much to actually show us, apart from general technical information that correlates to those words.

So you are saying they are going to show / explain nothing, or what do you mean then? If they mention this its expected that it will either be talked about or shown (not in exact detail though).

Ludullu

Voxtrium wrote: »

Combined with the confirmation from Stephen himself that they will not be giving us any detail but rather "a brief glimpse" regarding the dungeon, there is really not much too expect.

and using words/phrases like "functionality, real time sequencing and zone transitions", to describe the next livestream indicates that they won't have much to actually show us, apart from general technical information that correlates to those words.

I mean, I expected literally just seeing the dungeon from outside and listening to Steven gush about how cool its story is and smth like that. Hearing from story devs about their design direction and ways they plan on presenting that story would be great. Obviously seeing it all in detailed action would be amazing, but I'm willing to give that up as long as we get at least a detailed explanation of their plans.

p.s. for the love of god could you call him Steven and not Stephen? It's literally in the picture

Voxtrium

NiKr wrote: »

p.s. for the love of god could you call him Steven and not Stephen? It's literally in the picture

I have just been in a bad mood of late and I have become too focused on the negative parts of AOC. Gonna take a break for a few weeks so I will be less cynical.

Mag7spy wrote: »

So you are saying they are going to show / explain nothing, or what do you mean then? If they mention this its expected that it will either be talked about or shown (not in exact detail though).

I was just being a dick, sorry.

Mag7spy

Voxtrium wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

p.s. for the love of god could you call him Steven and not Stephen? It's literally in the picture

I have just been in a bad mood of late and I have become too focused on the negative parts of AOC. Gonna take a break for a few weeks so I will be less cynical.

Mag7spy wrote: »

So you are saying they are going to show / explain nothing, or what do you mean then? If they mention this its expected that it will either be talked about or shown (not in exact detail though).

I was just being a dick, sorry.

No worries breaks are good at times you can can look at things with a fresh light haha. Id be in a better mood if i had a mmo with a release date right now -cough- throne and liberty.

RazThemun

I don't mind getting little sneak peaks at things. I don't want to see full runs, clears, showing bosses etc. Leave some of the Mystery. Create a desire within us to enter Carphin.. but not with the knowledge of. Turn left here. Climb these steps, don't fall there.... Leave the mystery for us to want to explore and find what it is.

Chicago

Id like to see some game systems, nodes, freeholds, naval content, not really interested in a walk around of a dungeon or a reveal of a class that was available in A1 or a world boss realistically they could show the mage, tower and cyclops in one live stream but now its going to drag out over another 1/4th of a year and probably be another 8 months before we see anything remotley new, the dungeon visually looks great but super uninteresting, these are features we could play or test, please start showimg core systems zz

daveywavey

I want to see people not taking it as a finished game, and accepting it for where it is in the development cycle.

I expect to be disappointed in this regard.

daveywavey

Voxtrium wrote: »

I have just been in a bad mood of late and I have become too focused on the negative parts of AOC. Gonna take a break for a few weeks so I will be less cynical.

We've all got a lot riding on this game! We've all been there! When you feel the tension rising, just switch to posting amusing memes in as many threads as you can.

Ludullu

Chicago wrote: »

please start showimg core systems zz

If what Steven said on twitter is true they will literally do that. Them explaining how their story systems will work and how POIs will function is one of the biggest core systems in the game. The success of the game will highly depend on these systems, because the majority of people care about story, their role in it and the gameplay of it.

SongRune

NiKr wrote: »

Ok, this makes me a bit hyped and somewhat hopeful. Though obviously that's just copium talking.

NiKr wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

please start showimg core systems zz

If what Steven said on twitter is true they will literally do that. Them explaining how their story systems will work and how POIs will function is one of the biggest core systems in the game. The success of the game will highly depend on these systems, because the majority of people care about story, their role in it and the gameplay of it.

I feel Chicago has a perspective closer to ours. While this will be at least somewhat interesting, we're not going to feel like we've learned anything about the game's core systems. We'll get to see a lot of technical details about how they've implemented things that we already know they will have, and a good implementation of those is important to the experience, but their technical staff is competent. We already know they'll manage something acceptable, but at the end of the day, we're still going have huge open questions about all of the things Chicago mentions. Scene transitions, dynamic narrative systems, and the like are all important, but none of that matters if combat is bad, caravans have unbalanced incentive structure, the economy doesn't work, or various other core systems are unengaging.

Chicago's complaint, and ours, is that there are a ton of core gameplay systems with some very large open questions about their actual designs. That's what my group is waiting for. We want to learn about all the same things that Chicago listed, so we can figure out if this game is going be good for us. Another tech demo won't do that.

Ludullu

SongRune wrote: »

but at the end of the day, we're still going have huge open questions about all of the things Chicago mentions. Scene transitions, dynamic narrative systems, and the like are all important, but none of that matters if combat is bad, caravans have unbalanced incentive structure, the economy doesn't work, or various other core systems are unengaging.

Chicago's complaint, and ours, is that there are a ton of core gameplay systems with some very large open questions about their actual designs. That's what my group is waiting for. We want to learn about all the same things that Chicago listed, so we can figure out if this game is going be good for us. Another tech demo won't do that.

Yeah, I want the same stuff, which is why my first comment in this thread was very negative. And I still doubt that they'll tell/show us as much detail as I'm assuming rn. But there's a tiny chance that showing and explaining systems will start happening with this stream (mage and boss showcase being the next 2). Though obviously that's copious amounts of copium

Caww

Show me the eye-candy and tell me it's just the tip of the iceberg...

Austrinaut

Want - evidence of gameplay mechanics that are either innovative or unique to AOC. Dungeons have traps, a lot of MMO's have that. You can prepare for, and memorize them. What about randomized events, or triggered events? I don't want them to spoil the adventure here, but if they surprise us with something new and exciting here that shows the route they're taking, I'm going to be super excited.

Expect - vivid detail, solid dungeon design, loot, UI changes? Maybe some new abilities from the played classes, maybe the AI reveals they've been teasing us with. I've come to expect really high quality stuff being presented with limited scope that suggests cool stuff that we won't see in full until the alpha 2.

BlackBrony

I would like to see random generated monsters (appropiate to the area), as well as puzzles, traps, jumping puzzles. Every time to get into the dungeon it should be slightly different, rewarding those who are able to adapt on the fly.
We have mage type enemies but with a template. In Pathfinder it's common to have templates that you apply to creatures and that makes them stronger/weaker to certain things. A Celestial Mage it's not the same as a Fiend Mage, for example. This means that players should have knowledge about what type of damage the enemy is vulnerable to or resistant to.
The skills could be similar, but having things switch keeps you on your toes, and it means that the same comp will not be the best always. This also avoids having a "perfect composition", so players will feel more comfortable bringing different classes.
Having traps spawn in diff places means you need to be on your toes where you go to.

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