In-game harrassment. MMO Drama

As the spotlight in current MMO drama fall upon the large games WOW, FFIVX, and the streamer Asmongold, the topic of harassment has been quite prevalent. Asmongold recently switched to play FFIVX, where some malicious players actively sought to interrupt his gameplay negatively and the actions resulted a known ban, likely more.

The topic of WoW being toxic has also been pretty relevant. With IIRC wow classic removing /spit from the game to appease players who purchase store mounts. While leaving in things such as racial slurs. I believe that both FFIVX and WOW handle their community moderation quite differently, where WOW protects its profits and large spenders, while FFIVX protects its general community. ( I wont even get into how some wow dev's are using twitter to support attacks against individuals)

I think the biggest difference in creating a anti-harassment culture is having a somewhat large amount of active mods who are in-game regularly, and spend their time and energy to resolve conflicts, issues, and reports, to include botting.

If there is to be in-game VOIP communications. I can only imagine that harassment will not only be harder to moderate, but also will be even more targeted to some demographics of players. I.E. Streamers, girls, mayors, world first guilds, ext.

How does Ashes Of Creation plan on dealing with these potential problems, are there any systems in place as alpha is beginning to wrap up that deals with the aforementioned issues? If not, what are the plans moving forward, because in a open world forced pvp environment, toxicity is going to be around. But letting it breed and replicate uncontested can quickly kill off a potentially amazing game and sour its community.

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Arya_Yeshe

@NiKr @Solvryn

Your perspectives are tainted with real life morals which have no place in a game.
Games are war between players, that is all, you should not let the other guy become stronger than you in any way in a game, being PvE or PvP

Don't be blinded by your self rightniousness, my work alt in Ultima Online Outlands will only chop wood to syphon all that gold into my PvP alt so I can kill other people and take all their belongings

If you can't distinguish a game from real life, then you will never fully enjoy a game or even understand it in its entirety

Arya_Yeshe

In EVE, if you are a carebear miner you will mine in the most effective way possible, you will mine more and faster, will take the best rocks for you and leave all the other miners with no ore.... this is a reality today and it was 20 years ago

The other miners who are being left with no ore or very little more, started making gank alts, just to kill those carebear hoarders chugging all the rocks for themselves. This is how the highsec ganking in EVE started in most cases, it started from miners killing greedier miners

Since I was an arms dealer, I started tracking who was buying hundreds of destroyers and thousands of guns from it, in most cases it was being bought by miners, from mining corporations and mining alliances

Those gankers were fully playing the game without the blindfold of worldly morals @NiKr and @Solvryn

Arya_Yeshe

@NiKr @Solvryn now, let's talk about gank bears

Gank bears are those gankers in the party or fleet, who will only want the easiest possible killls, if any target fights back or antiganker shows up, then the gank bears will start whinning in comms, if they are killed or even if they are shot they start throwing a tantrum in comms

This kind of people exist, even when they are fantastic PvPers overall, emotionally some are gank bears

Ludullu

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Those gankers were fully playing the game without the blindfold of worldly morals

Good for them. I don't care. I play the game the way I want to play. And I'm not a shithead who kills helpless people. I kill the ones who do so.

edit: also, you don't need to ping us ten hundred times within the same minute.

Arya_Yeshe

See?
I can bring an entire universe of new perspectives because I am a life long PvPer who doesn't care if you are comming in full legendary gear or naked with nothing but a pickaxe in hand

Everybody else is only food, everybody else who is not your alt has to die... sometimes you can even kill your own alt too

Arya_Yeshe

NiKr wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Those gankers were fully playing the game without the blindfold of worldly morals

Good for them. I don't care. I play the game the way I want to play. And I'm not a shithead who kills helpless people. I kill the ones who do so.

edit: also, you don't need to ping us ten hundred times within the same minute.

Oh, the ping goes per post and not by topic? oh my

The point is that your imaginatory parameters only make sense in your roleplay, but game wise they make no sense since such games are about competition

Arya_Yeshe

I am way more sophisticated then people's everyday spawn killer

There is an entire meta in the gank roleplay, unknown to most people

Solvryn

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

@NiKr @Solvryn

Your perspectives are tainted with real life morals which have no place in a game.
Games are war between players, that is all, you should not let the other guy become stronger than you in any way in a game, being PvE or PvP

Don't be blinded by your self rightniousness, my work alt in Ultima Online Outlands will only chop wood to syphon all that gold into my PvP alt so I can kill other people and take all their belongings

If you can't distinguish a game from real life, then you will never fully enjoy a game or even understand it in its entirety

I fight other high tier PKers and PvPers for fight itself. I care about always improving and being the best version of myself and being top of the mountain.

I care about forging the perfect blade, I don't give a shit about some lowly ganking. I have nothing to gain from one dimensional stealth gank gameplay.

But I am for people being stealth class cannons if that's what they enjoy.

Xnate13X

NGL, I enjoy reading and seeing toxic chat/people. I feel at home, in an online gaming community. I'm nice and helpful but gaming would feel dull without coming online after a long day of work and not reading two people say the harshest things they can think of to each other. All while I stand at the trading area or banking area and just read/watch or chime in with sarcastic or silly remarks, etc. I also like to red other people's comments too, haha. I am not a fan of scamming toxicity, that's a different story. I don't like theft, hacking of accounts, luring, or abuse like that. Be as toxic as you want with words and go fight in PvP. No scamming innocent players for gold or items.

That being said, you should be allowed to say anything at all in chat that you want. If you can't handle the heat, turn on chat filters.

Arya_Yeshe

Solvryn wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

@NiKr @Solvryn

Your perspectives are tainted with real life morals which have no place in a game.
Games are war between players, that is all, you should not let the other guy become stronger than you in any way in a game, being PvE or PvP

Don't be blinded by your self rightniousness, my work alt in Ultima Online Outlands will only chop wood to syphon all that gold into my PvP alt so I can kill other people and take all their belongings

If you can't distinguish a game from real life, then you will never fully enjoy a game or even understand it in its entirety

I fight other high tier PKers and PvPers for fight itself. I care about always improving and being the best version of myself and being top of the mountain.

I care about forging the perfect blade, I don't give a shit about some lowly ganking. I have nothing to gain from one dimensional stealth gank gameplay.

But I am for people being stealth class cannons if that's what they enjoy.

The fight starts at the woods when everybody is still naked and have nothing but an axe and a pickaxe

Wordly morals in PvP is just presumption and a blindfold, everybody has to die and it doesn't matter their level or gear

I kill everybody in front of me because I see them as equals, I'm no better than anyone so I am entitled to kill all, this is how a normal PvPer thinks without any trace of white knightery

Arya_Yeshe

I have no pity of others because I don't think I am above them when running around them map

Solvryn

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

@NiKr @Solvryn

Your perspectives are tainted with real life morals which have no place in a game.
Games are war between players, that is all, you should not let the other guy become stronger than you in any way in a game, being PvE or PvP

Don't be blinded by your self rightniousness, my work alt in Ultima Online Outlands will only chop wood to syphon all that gold into my PvP alt so I can kill other people and take all their belongings

If you can't distinguish a game from real life, then you will never fully enjoy a game or even understand it in its entirety

I fight other high tier PKers and PvPers for fight itself. I care about always improving and being the best version of myself and being top of the mountain.

I care about forging the perfect blade, I don't give a shit about some lowly ganking. I have nothing to gain from one dimensional stealth gank gameplay.

But I am for people being stealth class cannons if that's what they enjoy.

The fight starts at the woods when everybody is still naked and have nothing but an axe and a pickaxe

Wordly morals in PvP is just presumption and a blindfold, everybody has to die and it doesn't matter their level or gear

I kill everybody in front of me because I see them as equals, I'm no better than anyone so I am entitled to kill all, this is how a normal PvPer thinks without any trace of white knightery

That's cool dude, you do you.

I'll continue to forge my perfect sword and look for the best fights.

novercalis

bunch of necropostphiliacs here.

Songcaller

novercalis wrote: »

bunch of necropostphiliacs here.

The best achievement would be to resurrect an archived post. Anything else I skim through to see if I commented months ago.

Okeydoke

Solvryn wrote: »

I'm an honor PK mate.

What's an honor pk? You identify the jerk pks and then you go pk them, or something else? I'm familiar with the term anti-pk. Feel like I've heard the term honor pk before just not sure what it is though.

Solvryn

Okeydoke wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

I'm an honor PK mate.

What's an honor pk? You identify the jerk pks and then you go pk them, or something else? I'm familiar with the term anti-pk. Feel like I've heard the term honor pk before just not sure what it is though.

We only actively engage in fights with people who are at or above our skill level. Sure, we'll defend ourselves from someone new to PK/PvP but you do not go and pick fights with people who don't actively engage in the activity.

So no ganking, dunking on lowbies, zerging etc.

We seek to actually become talented and care about the manner in which we win our fights and yes we typically route gankers and the "jerk" pks and send them packing. Especially if they're fucking with someone whos new to the game or genre, we typically take those under our wings.

Helthomist

RvR from Dark Age of Camelot did it right. just do it like that. Hell even the PVP server was tight. Respect the mmo goats

Marcet

Im not about bullying and all that.

But I like some drama and harsh words being said, specially if it's while roleplaying.

"Look at this dwarf!! Is your intelect as short as your legs?? HA!"

"YOU SCOBIDDYGLOBBER!!! LIKE STONE FROM THE MOTHER MOUNTAIN I WILL BREAK YOUR WEAK BODY!!"

"Don't make me laugh!!! Isn't it said that your guild of drunken simpeltons was wiped by the first lord in Carphin??"

"POINT ME AGAIN WITH YOUR CHILDLIKE ELVEN FINGERS AND I WILL TWIST THEM UP LIKE COBBLERGOBLIN FROM THE DUNZENKELL LANDS!!! OUR WOMEN COULD SEND YOU TO SUOMA WITH A SINGLE STRIKE TO YOUR PRETTY FACE!!!"

*Duel starts*

Kilion

I am confused about how some folks on here are "trying to prove that Ashes of Creation is not a PvP game". This doesn't require proof, but simply reading, as stated over and over and over again this is a PvX game. From the Wiki: "Ashes of Creation is a PvX game. Players will naturally encounter both PvP and PvE elements. It is unlikely that a player could purely focus on just PvP or just PvE."

With that being said: I think the security systems sound like they would be capable of functioning as a screening tool for harrassment as well. If those detect repeated PKs against lower level players and chat conversations that imply that this is not about in-game competition but to tilt the player behind the characters instead of triggering a security warning it could create a noduct notification for GMs to look at.

Beyond that there is a report feature that should help us punishing and stopping any harrassment, which I would define as actions deliberatly trying to harm the playing experience of another player. Destroying a Node is certainly bumming the citizens of that Node out, but it is not explicitly aimed at destroying the fun of other players, it primarily aims at the acquisition of resources, increase growth potential for other Nodes and causing change in the world over all. Therefore: Not harrassment. Killing the a specific player over and over especially if that player is not fighting back: Harrassment, because after 2 kills there is really not much merit to it anymore. There are diminishing returns, there are other players and yet the focus is what makes it harrassment. Also going out of the game and trying to annoy players because of stuff in the game - harrassment.

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