Ashes of Creation on Linux/Proton Compatibility Layer support

Hello Glorious Ashes Dev Team and Ashes Community,

I recognize that Linux support as been spoken on a few times in the past, but if I and other's like me don't push for it, I fear it may be lost to time and the black hole of statistics I don't believe accurately reflect the number of individuals that would utilize it.

With the adoption of Unreal Engine 5 I wonder if now is the time to ask for a definitive answer from Steven on the topic of Linux support. Either directly via Native Support (Please for the Love of God Steven I can't keep playing Ancient MMO's like WURM.) or via the use of Proton Compatibility Layer. Now I know there are some out there who will say "But Roman, don't you need to install Steam in order to use Proton?"

Well, as for Proton, you do not need Steam to utilize it, it is open source and stand-alone.

With all of that said, I wonder if those more knowledgeable than I could elaborate if due to the transition to UE5 it may actually be the time to look heavily into supporting Linux Natively.

If any Devs read this, could the challenges of developing for Linux as well be elaborated on?

And for those in the community reading, if you are a Linux user that needs a new MMO to play and doesn't want to go back to Windows to play one, or a Windows user trying desperately to escape Windows and MAC hegemony, respond to this post to show support!

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Taleof2Cities

SongRune wrote: »

If you look at these forums, and the frequency of this question, and the broad support it tends to receive from Linux users present and interested, there are absolutely enough Linux players to justify that 10 minute investment.

10 minutes?

Sounds like a slam dunk.

What piece of information could Intrepid possibly be missing that prevents this green light??

Songcaller

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

SongRune wrote: »

If you look at these forums, and the frequency of this question, and the broad support it tends to receive from Linux users present and interested, there are absolutely enough Linux players to justify that 10 minute investment.

10 minutes?

Sounds like a slam dunk.

What piece of information could Intrepid possibly be missing that prevents this green light??

Probably the fact Linux os can be tailored to run other scripts.

Noaani

After a very small amount of looking in to this after the last time this thread was active, it seems to me that Intrepid basically have the choice between trying to make it hard to cheat in Ashes (note; not impossible) while not allowing Linux players, or making it dead easy to cheat in Ashes, but allow Linux users.

It isnt *quite* this simple, but it does essentially come down to the above choice.

wildtruc

I have just finished reading the whole thread.
I'm impressed with how deeply rooted the myths around Linux are.
"Linux users are all hackers, it's well known"
"They're all cheaters, it's well known"
"Linux is only 1% of the market, it's well known"
This last statement always makes me smile. A 1% statistic on an OS that is freely downloaded and installed and has no marker internally apart from firefox or Chrome that can't really tell the difference between android or a PC.
On sales, then? Such a good joke.

For a very long time now, Linux users have given up on the idea of having native game support, despite the fact that more and more developers are cross compiling, mainly the Germans. This is why the thread topic is "Linux EAC support" and not "Aoc Linux support". Which some here don't seem to have understood exactly.
EAC support which only consists of adding the linux library to the EAC directories and does exactly the same job as the Windows library, is not opening the door to every cheater on the planet for the simple reason that all cheaters are on Windows and use Windows software or scripts.
Do you really think that cheaters on Windows will suddenly migrate to Linux to do their cheating?
Very strange world that yours.

By the way, people who use Windows don't use it by choice, but only because that's what comes with the computer they buy and Microsoft does a violent marketing to keep it that way, and among developers too. Linux users chose to use it.

In conclusion, all Linux users are demanding is that they not be kicked out just for using Linux. That's all.

(Thanks to DeepL for their help with the translation)

Songcaller

I merely meant no two Linux operating systems are alike because you can tailor the os much further than windows. You can take the source files and create wholistic and differential subsets.

Furthermore, there are aspects of the process that assist 'cheaters'. You can complain about the 'myths' and all. I imagine you might get eac support but the game runs on Windows right now. It's up to the devs really.

Noaani

wildtruc wrote: »

Do you really think that cheaters on Windows will suddenly migrate to Linux to do their cheating?

I wouldnt assume all would, but some will.

Do you assume none would?

I mean, the debate isnt wether it would make cheating easier or not, because we both know it would. The question is "how many people would take advantage of that?".

Without EAC support for Linux, the answer is zero. With EAC support for Linux, the answer is not zero.

nanfoodle

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

Arya_Yeshe

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

I didn't know that, that's interesting, for sure something to add to the watchlist

nanfoodle

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

I didn't know that, that's interesting, for sure something to add to the watchlist

Its not even needed anymore to make a Linux version of the game but just add tweaks to the game and help it run with proton.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

For crafting I could see it, but not for general play.

I wouldnt call that a win, nor would I call it "epic".

Taleof2Cities

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

For crafting I could see it, but not for general play.

I wouldnt call that a win, nor would I call it "epic".

I also wouldn’t want to be doing any competitive PvX content on SteamDeck (pretty much anywhere there’s risk of PvP) … which for Ashes is the vast majority of the game’s content.

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

For crafting I could see it, but not for general play.

I wouldnt call that a win, nor would I call it "epic".

One mans lame is another persons epic. Some of the best MMO time has been spent crafting, gathering and grinding NPCs while watching a movie with my wife. Zen gaming time is epic.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

For crafting I could see it, but not for general play.

I wouldnt call that a win, nor would I call it "epic".

One mans lame is another persons epic. Some of the best MMO time has been spent crafting, gathering and grinding NPCs while watching a movie with my wife. Zen gaming time is epic.

Yeah, in some games for sure.

Try that zen gaming grinding NPC's in Ashes and see how long that zen state lasts for.

Keep in mind, I am specifically saying that the Steam Deck wont be used that much specifically for Ashes, for the reasons outlined above - I am not talking about MMO's in general.

peksi

Definitely prefer Linux over Windows. Please make it work with SteamOS / Proton.

unknownsystemerror

You will get it when they release the Crossbow Proton Pack with Potion Client Launcher.

Taleof2Cities

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

You will get it when they release the Crossbow Proton Pack with Potion Client Launcher.

*** hears a faint Jabba the Hutt maniacal laugh in the background ***

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

For crafting I could see it, but not for general play.

I wouldnt call that a win, nor would I call it "epic".

One mans lame is another persons epic. Some of the best MMO time has been spent crafting, gathering and grinding NPCs while watching a movie with my wife. Zen gaming time is epic.

Yeah, in some games for sure.

Try that zen gaming grinding NPC's in Ashes and see how long that zen state lasts for.

Keep in mind, I am specifically saying that the Steam Deck wont be used that much specifically for Ashes, for the reasons outlined above - I am not talking about MMO's in general.

I think your wrong but that's what forums are for. This will not be my first PvP MMO. I'm used to dealing with random PvP in any form it comes. I know exactly what I'm asking for. I'm also 100% know what Ashes is. I'm an OG backer and been following the game closely. Again, I know what I am asking for. Peace out

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Only have to say, 3 million Steam Decks sold and growing. This could be a real opportunity.

I don't really see steam decks as being great for MMO's.

Everyone I know that has one has a gaming PC, and using their steam decks for gaming while out. The thing there is, you dont have a great internet connect most of the time, and so probably dont want to be playing a PvP based MMO.

I use my steam deck to MMO all the time. Its great!!!! On the go I tether it too my phone and do crafting while I wait for my wife when she is in a store. Linux gaming has grown allot over the past 2 years because of steam deck. Many are building gaming PC's using Steam OS as well. I know I am not the only one, as there are many guides to get WoW, ESO and the like running on Steam Decks. Its Epic.

For crafting I could see it, but not for general play.

I wouldnt call that a win, nor would I call it "epic".

One mans lame is another persons epic. Some of the best MMO time has been spent crafting, gathering and grinding NPCs while watching a movie with my wife. Zen gaming time is epic.

Yeah, in some games for sure.

Try that zen gaming grinding NPC's in Ashes and see how long that zen state lasts for.

Keep in mind, I am specifically saying that the Steam Deck wont be used that much specifically for Ashes, for the reasons outlined above - I am not talking about MMO's in general.

I think your wrong but that's what forums are for. This will not be my first PvP MMO. I'm used to dealing with random PvP in any form it comes. I know exactly what I'm asking for. I'm also 100% know what Ashes is. I'm an OG backer and been following the game closely. Again, I know what I am asking for. Peace out

Right, so you've spent the last few posts talking about crafting in MMO's on your steam deck, and when it is pointed out that PvP in Ashes is unavoidable, all of a sudden you're like "well of course I PvP on my steam deck as well!".

Sure bud, no doubt you just forgot to mention it before now.

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