At What Point of Player-Inactivity Should Legendary/Limited Items Re-Drop?

There's a good former discussion from last year about the quantity of Legendary Items, here:

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/51931/discussion-on-the-quantity-of-legendary-items-in-circulation/p1

If a player, receives a 1-per-server Legendary drop, what amount of time should pass for that player to have not logged in, before it's available, again?

From the wiki:

"There are absolutely legendary items and they're not items that are attained easily nor are they granted out in a volume. There might even be items that are single items that will exist on the server at any given time."

"The fact there is only one of them... or very very few of them depending on what it is. I think that in and of itself is a balance component right and you need to make sure that the players who are striving for those legendary things and who are devoting the time energy, resources in order to achieve them are accurately rewarded... We do not intend on having legendary items that are temporary.

Yours truly is to argue 30 days of inactivity should be the cut-off for the 1-per-server drops. Some items will be "limited"-quantity, and should probably have a longer cooldown - like 60 days.

Have never played an MMO that had such a mechanic (or - at the very least, *I* never received such an item, in playing such an MMO). Has anyone seen any MMO's that use this mechanic? What were that game's cooldowns?

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Noaani

I'm kind of ignoring most of the discussion that hads happened in this thread, and going back to the original question.

IMO, 180 days inactivity is all good, but 30 days without subscription should also trigger the item going back to the loot table.

The reason for this is simple. If you have a unique legendary item, it is something that your guild earned and entrusted you with. Essentially, it is guild property that you have current possession of.

If you are going to be away from the game for a few weeks, you would probably want to hand that item off to someone else in your guild. You are not going to take a 6 month sabbatical from the game without handing that literal-best-item-in-the-game-that-there-is-only-one-of-on-the-server-that-your-entire-guild-helped-obtain-and-then-entrusted-you-with to someone else in your guild.

Any player with such an item still in their I inventory rhhatvis unsubscribed from the game for 30 months probably had a falling out with their guild, and likely wont ever be back.

A few people here are probably thinking something like "I'd never hand an item like that back to my guild if I was leaving the game for an extended period".

To this, I have two comments. The first is that you probably aren't ever going to be in a guild that is capable of getting an item like this.

Second, if you are in such a guild, the above attitude will see you excluded from potential running for an item such as this. Such an item will be given to the most suited player that the guilds leadership fully trusts - and anyone with the above view wont have that full trust.

Vissox

I think that the legendary items should disappear after 6 months to a year, at which point an in-game global announcement should be made that the item is acquireable again.

I think there should be a title in the game that might read such as "Wielder of *item*" so when players lose it, it will ease the sting of no longer having your awesome legendary item because you still have something to point at and say you had it once.

As cool as it sounds in theory, I don't think players should be able to have server unique items, unless they are tied to some event all players had an opportunity to acquire.

Not all players will acquire legendary items, but I dislike the hopelessness of " oh well as long as this guy never logs off I will never own this" spoiler, the guy will never log off. I wouldn't.

Vissox

NiKr wrote: »

Of course we might have some "troll" who keeps the weapon for themselves even if they're not planning to go back, but I just refuse to believe that there are trolls who'd be willing to go that fucking far in a game (considering the difficulty of obtaining that kind of item) just to fuck ANOTHER RANDOM SINGLE PERSON over. And if there are - well, "it is what it is".

This is exactly what people will do. It's not even trolling, who would ever give up a 1 per server legendary item. Read my previous comment I think it's a much better system.

Mag7spy

How did i miss this comment. Anyone who wants to have a legendary for half a year and will keep it in their house and not use it are all in the same boat. People will troll and try to collect all them as a joke. Ninja looters can not be under estimated when drama can be involved lmao.

Step one - find a higher up int he guild having issues
Step 2 - become friends with them
step 3 - get them to ninja loot legendary item off their guildy.
Step 4 use it int he war and win as a troll
Step 5- never use it again for the rest of the entire game and meme on that guild until the end of time so no one else can ever get that legendary item.

Ludullu

Vissox wrote: »

This is exactly what people will do. It's not even trolling, who would ever give up a 1 per server legendary item. Read my previous comment I think it's a much better system.

For a reasonable person who has literally no plans of returning to the game - I see no reason why they'd keep the item. And if they have even the slightest thought of "eh, I might return so I'll keep it", then I'd be completely on their side, because to me that would be a cool in-game story.

A legendary player that has an incredible item and is well-known on their server leaves the game for whatever reason. Say, a year passes and that player returns back to the game. Anyone who's been playing a long time would see that item and know its history and be like "oh damn, you're that one guy who got it, nice to see you're back". And anyone around would immediately know that this is a very strong player, because no weak one coulda gotten the item.

Hell, I'd prefer if Intrepid made a small in-game lore line about a "missing hero with a legendary item" (as long as the player confirmed the thing I mentioned). I know that I will most likely never get this kind of item, but the story related to it would be way more valuable to me.

Only the highest of copium addicts would be behind the "GET THE ITEM BACK WITHIN A DAY OF THAT PLAYER NOT PLAYING". Yall never gonna get it! Get over yourself

Sunboy

If it’s a one per server item etc then I think IS should try to get in contact and ask for circumstances.

Much love ❤️

Nemeses

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

There's a good former discussion from last year about the quantity of Legendary Items, here:

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/51931/discussion-on-the-quantity-of-legendary-items-in-circulation/p1

If a player, receives a 1-per-server Legendary drop, what amount of time should pass for that player to have not logged in, before it's available, again?

From the wiki:

"There are absolutely legendary items and they're not items that are attained easily nor are they granted out in a volume. There might even be items that are single items that will exist on the server at any given time."

"The fact there is only one of them... or very very few of them depending on what it is. I think that in and of itself is a balance component right and you need to make sure that the players who are striving for those legendary things and who are devoting the time energy, resources in order to achieve them are accurately rewarded... We do not intend on having legendary items that are temporary.

Yours truly is to argue 30 days of inactivity should be the cut-off for the 1-per-server drops. Some items will be "limited"-quantity, and should probably have a longer cooldown - like 60 days.

Have never played an MMO that had such a mechanic (or - at the very least, *I* never received such an item, in playing such an MMO). Has anyone seen any MMO's that use this mechanic? What were that game's cooldowns?

So you and the Devs are saying, they want to reward those who can play 10 hours a day because they either live off mummy n daddy, or the state.

Cracking!

Ludullu

Nemeses wrote: »

So you and the Devs are saying, they want to reward those who can play 10 hours a day because they either live off mummy n daddy, or the state.

Cracking!

10?

ain't no 10-hour pleb getting those items

Sweatycup

When your subscription runs out. Because servers aint free.

Goalid

I don't think any legendary, 1 per server item should be owned by a single person, because that leaves those items locked away forever. Even if someone doesn't log back on ever again, they can just sell the account for an insane amount of money, and that's the kind of RMT that's hardest to counter.

Legendary items should be "owned" by a guild or a node and then lent ro some member. Then if the guild loses during a guild war or some other significant event, the legendary item is part of the spoils. That way you can have the legendary items exchange hands frequently via PvP without having to worry about someone being afk for months or RMTing to own the account specifically for that weapon.

Basically, legendary weapons should be a kind of pseudo-relic: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Relics#:~:text=Relics are achievements for a,in certain legendary quest lines.

Mag7spy

Goalid wrote: »

I don't think any legendary, 1 per server item should be owned by a single person, because that leaves those items locked away forever. Even if someone doesn't log back on ever again, they can just sell the account for an insane amount of money, and that's the kind of RMT that's hardest to counter.

Legendary items should be "owned" by a guild or a node and then lent ro some member. Then if the guild loses during a guild war or some other significant event, the legendary item is part of the spoils. That way you can have the legendary items exchange hands frequently via PvP without having to worry about someone being afk for months or RMTing to own the account specifically for that weapon.

Basically, legendary weapons should be a kind of pseudo-relic: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Relics#:~:text=Relics are achievements for a,in certain legendary quest lines.

This is the only other idea id be for if ti wasn't on a 2 week cycle. Id say more belong to the node and guild though. And it would set up for when node is destroyed weapon is now back in the pool of being obtained again.

Fantmx

I don't think they should. That item is legendary and it is now gone forever. That doesn't mean a new item could not take it's place.

Songcaller

There's a persistent dichotomy of dropped gear being BiS. I'm not certain that crafted gear by a master crafter won't be equal to them too. I don't want to share my loot.

Ludullu

Neurath wrote: »

There's a persistent dichotomy of dropped gear being BiS. I'm not certain that crafted gear by a master crafter won't be equal to them too. I don't want to share my loot.

This is exactly why I want unique legendaries be just a few OE steps above the safe limit dmg values of a normal legendary. This way people can still get to the same power lvl through resource investment, even if the additional effect (if there will even be one) of the unique item gives more "power".

Mag7spy

Fantmx wrote: »

I don't think they should. That item is legendary and it is now gone forever. That doesn't mean a new item could not take it's place.

Are you suggesting they need to make new weapons and never use the previous legendary anymore for players to get?

Songcaller

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

There's a persistent dichotomy of dropped gear being BiS. I'm not certain that crafted gear by a master crafter won't be equal to them too. I don't want to share my loot.

This is exactly why I want unique legendaries be just a few OE steps above the safe limit dmg values of a normal legendary. This way people can still get to the same power lvl through resource investment, even if the additional effect (if there will even be one) of the unique item gives more "power".

It makes no sense to boost a dropped legendary above safe levels of enchantment. That alone would be a big resource save. Otherwise, there would be less risk/reward for enchantment. I don't feel anyone should get a head start in enchantment.

Tyranthraxus

Sunboy wrote: »

If it’s a one per server item etc then I think IS should try to get in contact and ask for circumstances...

A bit of extra work for CSRs, but it does sound reasonable. If someone doesn't respond in so much time, it'd be reasonable to assume the item is good to go for another spawn.

Nemeses wrote: »

So you and the Devs are saying, they want to reward those who can play 10 hours a day because they either live off mummy n daddy, or the state.

Cracking!

What PART of what you quoted is to imply/infer this? This has to do with being gone from the game *entirely* for an extended length of time, while possessing an item that may be 1/server.

Sweatycup wrote: »

When your subscription runs out. Because servers aint free.

This seems to be a tad extreme - especially since life's unknowns can sometimes include not realizing that you've forgotten to update your payment options, when a credit card number changes. Yours truly couldn't back such a small amount of time, for a unique item to re-drop another copy.

Goalid wrote: »

I don't think any legendary, 1 per server item should be owned by a single person, because that leaves those items locked away forever....

....Legendary items should be "owned" by a guild or a node and then lent ro some member. Then if the guild loses during a guild war or some other significant event, the legendary item is part of the spoils. That way you can have the legendary items exchange hands frequently via PvP without having to worry about someone being afk for months or RMTing to own the account specifically for that weapon....

I like this idea, though that would exclude a contingency for un-guilded players, at least until they join a guild. A system like this would allow more a possibility for such items to change hands/remain obtainable by other players.

Tyranthraxus

Neurath wrote: »

There's a persistent dichotomy of dropped gear being BiS. I'm not certain that crafted gear by a master crafter won't be equal to them too....

Have been getting the impression from the Q&As that it'll be a combination of drops/re-crafting. I *hope* it will be.

Even if it end up working out to be drops, we'll still need crafted supplies for any O-E attempts.

Mag7spy

Neurath wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

There's a persistent dichotomy of dropped gear being BiS. I'm not certain that crafted gear by a master crafter won't be equal to them too. I don't want to share my loot.

This is exactly why I want unique legendaries be just a few OE steps above the safe limit dmg values of a normal legendary. This way people can still get to the same power lvl through resource investment, even if the additional effect (if there will even be one) of the unique item gives more "power".

It makes no sense to boost a dropped legendary above safe levels of enchantment. That alone would be a big resource save. Otherwise, there would be less risk/reward for enchantment. I don't feel anyone should get a head start in enchantment.

It does make sense we are talking about a item on the server where there is only one of it that you are most likely doing some of the hardest or the hardest content in the game.

If something takes effort the gear you get from it will have to reflect it. If something is hard to get and gives no real bonuses it is a meme and dead gear / content.

If you do content and the worth is not equal to the xp debt and pvp involved people are less inclined to do it. We need to remember you aren't just picking up gear like this for nothing.

If there is no reason for this gear to be good stat wise then it simply should just be skins with less gear in the game to get for itemization. Or axe it all together and create more content for everyone to get.

Though i still feel like 2 week buff is best way to do it so people can't view it like their own gear and can relate their connection to it the same way as other games.

Songcaller

Not sure what you mean by re-crafting. If dropped gear is bis it goes against what the devs said about crafting and particular crafted legendaries. Some of these unique legendaries will come from instanced content. Its not conducive to pvx, contestation or risk/reward if those unique legendaries are bis and not on par with crafted legendaries.

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