Linux Support For Alpha2 (and possibly launch)

How many votes does the community need to get for Intrepid to consider linux support for AoC?
I give my vote +1

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Need to make more than 1% of the gaming population actually use Linux. Maybe Intrepid would consider it if 10% of the gaming pop used it. https://www.pcmag.com/news/percentage-of-linux-gamers-on-steam-tops-1-for-first-time-in-years

uncounted

I would like that too but it's highly unlikely to get any kind of support at release let alone in alpha. We can only hope for some wine unofficial "support" after release if any.

bloodprophet

Good news. I'll bet if you go intern and help them implement it for free they would be more likely to consider it. Otherwise all I see is scope creep.

https://intrepidstudios.com/careers

ariatras

I highly doubt it, for the last two years, during the twenty-four hour livestreams I've asked whether or not they would consider not screwing over those who run the game via wine or proton. Only to be met with blank stares.

Having no Linux support is generally fine. There are many games that don't offer official support, but they work fine, and often times better than on Windows. We tend to get screwed over by Anti-Cheat.

From what I understand, their own Anti-Cheat isn't functional yet, so they are using EAC. Whilst EAC is an absolute cancer, it has options to allow Linux.

Additionally, in Windows only games. Mac users also tend to run the game via compatibility layers.

Archy_Pelago

A lot of good points were made for linux support in previous posts and the I think I've read a few of yours @ariatras.
I don't think intrepid ruled linux support out but it would be nice and assuring if we get a response from a team member and in the process maybe we can create an official poll.
I bet there are a lot of linux users in the AoC community.

P.S
I just hope I don't need to install windows to be able to play AoC D;

Songcaller

Whats wrong with wine? I guess it depends on the anticheat system. Linux is a pain to code for so most will modify wine for Linux users.

Archy_Pelago

Wine compatibility is perfectly fine @Neurath and @ariatras already made a question referring it https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/45334/wine-compatibility#latest
There is no official news outside AoC being playable only on Windows platforms

KingDDD

Can we get Mac support too?

Archy_Pelago

With wine compatibility @KingDDD mac users will be able to enjoy AoC too.

Songcaller

Yeah wine will be fine

unknownsystemerror

Your problem in getting it adopted is that it is a niche of a niche and requires significant work to get it implemented without giving away the game. The Wine/Proton crowd has bitched and moaned for years about various anti-cheats blocking them from access to games with Epic and EAC being their main hobgoblin. And the argument that "If you just gave us the rights to run it, we wouldn't use it for any other purpose, honest!" falls flat. Intrepid has decided that their metrics on the number of users affected or even Steven's perception of how many actual Linux users who game, who might be interested in playing Ashes, and actually will play the game as being a percent of a percent is valid. Give up, embrace your overlords, and install Windows. Cause that is what you are getting for a platform as of right now.

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From the interweebs.
"EAC has (and has had for years) a native Linux client. That native Linux client is userspace only and has zero kernel access. Before, it was only for native Linux games that had EAC, like War Thunder, 7 Days to Die, Rust (before they abandoned Linux), etc. Epic refused to allow the Linux native EAC to work with Windows EAC games through Wine/Proton. That changed last fall, when Epic made the announcement.

Now, EAC games that work in Wine/Proton use the LINUX NATIVE EAC client, which communicates with a Linux EAC binary that each game that enables support ships, alongside their Windows EAC binary. The Steam Proton EasyAntiCheat Runtime is also required. This runtime allows the NATIVE Linux EAC client (which again, is 100% userspace only and has no kernel level access) to communicate with the Windows userspace EAC binary, to allow for a less-secure but still better than nothing EAC functionality for Windows games running in Wine/Proton.

The exact same situation is true for BattlEye. BattlEye has had a native Linux client for years, but it was userspace only, and didn't work with Wine/Proton games. Now it does, in the same way EAC does.

This is also why so many games are refusing to enable it. Because it's inherently less secure against cheaters than the kernel-level EAC/BattlEye Windows implementation. And I (and others) said from the beginning when it was announced last fall that many games would in fact refuse to enable EAC/BE support because of the less secure nature and increased risk of cheaters. And I was right."

Songcaller

The problem is that Linux provides better performance and Microsoft almost has a monopoly. It is easy to code for a monopoly on gaming and not so easy to remedy the issues around the better performance os. Wine might make the issues to lesser performance but unity engine has performed cross os operations and shows it can be done. The issue remains the consistent opensource criterion that plagues Linux and enable countless scripts to be embedded.

Archy_Pelago

Not only better performance on linux but safer browsing for regular users. Nowadays it is much easier to install pretty much any linux distro than windows with it's questions and required accounts. Windows has the market now but might not be for long

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Your problem in getting it adopted is that it is a niche of a niche and requires significant work to get it implemented without giving away the game."

That's what I want to find out, what percentage of the community are regular linux users (isn't ashes a niche game too, not meant for everyone?). Plus Intrepid said in the past they are thinking of making their own anti-cheat system, a poll would benefit them too.

unknownsystemerror

"This is a pretty quick one. Will the upgrade to UE5 affect offered operations systems?" Livestream from a year and half or so back Steven answered what he thought was their number on Linux users that would be playing Ashes. Full answer here. Timestamp 48:45 if the link goes wonky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB7gWTpeB08&t=2925s&ab_channel=AshesofCreation

Songcaller

Yeah. Its a self perpetuating issue. Because of a lack of Linux support there is less Linux users. It's a vicious cycle. Unfortunately, it is a tough sell for gamers when most games shun Linux.

BlackBrony

Man, Linux sucks. I've used Ubuntu for work and suddenly your WiFi drivers stop working for some reason and then you need another computer or cable to make it work. So yeah, no thanks. Don't waste money on Linux.

Songcaller

That's because Linux has no official WiFi module. You should use Intel WiFi for ubuntu. Ubuntu has the same issues as Linux in terms of non Intel WiFi cards.

Noaani

Neurath wrote: »

That's because Linux has no official WiFi module. You should use Intel WiFi for ubuntu. Ubuntu has the same issues as Linux in terms of non Intel WiFi cards.

This post illustrates why the Linux share of gamers is less than 1%.

Like it or not, on Windows, WiFi just works. You dont even need a driver (though it is recommended).

Even more so than game compatibility, this aspect of Linux is what Steam are trying to fix. You buy a Steamdeck, it has a working install of Linux that is able to run games (already dozens of hours of effort for someone not familiar with the Linux world), and all hardware on the device works (another dozen or more hours).

Trying to get that same level of functionality on an existing computer could take literally months, and depending on hardware, may literally not even be possible.

As I have said in other threads, the barrier to Linux gaining any more market share than what it has now is ease of use. Until it becomes as easy as Windows, its market share will remain 1%.

An example of the issues involved with making Linux more user friendly though, is in distributions. If I am considering installing Windows, I have one real option. If I am considering installing Linux, I have what, 15, maybe 20 options? And if I get the wrong distro, I could get months in and realize I need to start again.

Songcaller

Yeah. That is a reason why servers are often Linux and most Linux users use cable connections.

Archy_Pelago

The problem is not the adoption but there is no incentive for linux being used outside development.
I do agree @Noaani that there is a learning gap and much more space for error in linux (because there is more freedom than in windows!) but tbh if you update your machine on time seldom does something wrong happen.
Like regular users don't know how to use powershell, not speaking about as the terminal in linux. Having the possibility for users to enjoy mmorpg's on linux pushes the world to a more of a "web3" environment.
Would still be nice to see Intrepid push for other OS integration, even if its after launch.

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