Why should I fight for my node?

Considering numbers given, freeholds or housing will be limited to select few. Being that the case, what is the motivation to fight for my node?
If having my node destroyed gives the small chance to get a Freehold or static housing, why would I fight for my node? The potential gains seem to be so much higher than having some mats destroyed that I store in my instanced housing.

Am I missing something here? Please correct me if I'm mistaken about something.

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Songcaller

tautau wrote: »

Technical point: If a node is sieged and loses, it goes to level 0. Since a node must be level 3 to have freeholds, there will be no freeholds to purchase after the siege, or for quite a while until the node regains level 3.

What will probably happen is that other nodes, adjacent to the one destroyed in the siege, will now be able to grow larger. If the 'next node over' is level 2, it may grow to level 3 and soon sell freeholds.

Wouldn't that wipe all housing now?

pgt1027

Neurath wrote: »

No one has said you have to be a citizen to join a family to my knowledge. You can just join forces with someone who is a citizen and get a freehold. There really are work around for a lot of issues right now. The game is leakier than a sive.

The game isn't even in its beta phase yet, and there's a pretty easy solution to that. Just limit freehold functionality to citizens regardless of the family function.

BlackBrony

Neurath wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

Technical point: If a node is sieged and loses, it goes to level 0. Since a node must be level 3 to have freeholds, there will be no freeholds to purchase after the siege, or for quite a while until the node regains level 3.

What will probably happen is that other nodes, adjacent to the one destroyed in the siege, will now be able to grow larger. If the 'next node over' is level 2, it may grow to level 3 and soon sell freeholds.

Wouldn't that wipe all housing now?

It does. All houses are gone and you no longer citizen. I mean, that's good, it gives time for new players. Maybe some will move and renounce citizenship in other nodes for a chance of a larger static house

Songcaller

pgt1027 wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

No one has said you have to be a citizen to join a family to my knowledge. You can just join forces with someone who is a citizen and get a freehold. There really are work around for a lot of issues right now. The game is leakier than a sive.

The game isn't even in its beta phase yet, and there's a pretty easy solution to that. Just limit freehold functionality to citizens regardless of the family function.

Not sure that will be welcomed. Guild association will be important in family's. I really don't want to share my family with random citizens.

pgt1027

Neurath wrote: »

pgt1027 wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

No one has said you have to be a citizen to join a family to my knowledge. You can just join forces with someone who is a citizen and get a freehold. There really are work around for a lot of issues right now. The game is leakier than a sive.

The game isn't even in its beta phase yet, and there's a pretty easy solution to that. Just limit freehold functionality to citizens regardless of the family function.

Not sure that will be welcomed. Guild association will be important in family's. I really don't want to share my family with random citizens.

Even if it makes the family system weird, it's more important to avoid what is essentially an exploit. Your family will probably need to be citizens of your node to get access to your freehold.

Songcaller

It isn't an exploit. Right now only one person owns the freehold (the citizen). Even if you all pay to buy the freehold you only get permissions on it. Steven said you can sell spots in a family - again, no restrictions on who you sell it to. Just because you don't like the work around doesn't make the work around an exploit.

pgt1027

Neurath wrote: »

It isn't an exploit. Right now only one person owns the freehold (the citizen). Even if you all pay to buy the freehold you only get permissions on it. Steven said you can sell spots in a family - again, no restrictions on who you sell it to. Just because you don't like the work around doesn't make the work around an exploit.

I would consider being able to effectively own a freehold of a node you're not a citizen of by using the family system to be an exploit. You're getting the premier benefit of node citizenship without having to pay taxes to the node.

Songcaller

You don't own the freehold though. I just explained that. Family's can have access to inn room, apartment, mansion and freehold if you grant the permissions...

pgt1027

Neurath wrote: »

You don't own the freehold though. I just explained that. Family's can have access to inn room, apartment, mansion and freehold if you grant the permissions...

So what does the freehold owner have exclusive rights to that his or her family doesn't?

Songcaller

The freehold owner can use alts on the freehold without the alt needing to be in the family as of right now. Could change though.

pgt1027

Neurath wrote: »

The freehold owner can use alts on the freehold without the alt needing to be in the family as of right now. Could change though.

Which sounds like the family gets full access to the freehold without having to pay taxes to the node, unless there's some aspect of the freehold that ONLY the actual owner can use.

Songcaller

The whole freehold pays the taxes. Its up to arrangements with the freehold owner on who pays what tax. I never came up with the system and I don't like the system. However, if you think citizens of other nodes want to pay two lots of taxes to two different nodes you'd be wrong.

pgt1027

Neurath wrote: »

The whole freehold pays the taxes. Its up to arrangements with the freehold owner on who pays what tax. I never came up with the system and I don't like the system. However, if you think citizens of other nodes want to pay two lots of taxes to two different nodes you'd be wrong.

You can only be a citizen of one node at a time. I'm saying they should be citizens of the freehold's node.

Songcaller

Right now you can have 8 freeholds (9 if you're married) all across Verra. Each person would have to own 1 and the rest get permissions. You can make a fortune just by being a life skiller. You don't even have to pvp, you just move to a different freehold and replace lost freeholds.

I'm not sure why farmers are balking. 9 farms would make everyone rich as creases.

BlackBrony

pgt1027 wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

The freehold owner can use alts on the freehold without the alt needing to be in the family as of right now. Could change though.

Which sounds like the family gets full access to the freehold without having to pay taxes to the node, unless there's some aspect of the freehold that ONLY the actual owner can use.

Renting a property is not being the owner. Renters don't pay property taxes.

KingDDD

All this BS about needing motivation to play a game is hilarious. You'll want to defend your node because it's fun.

Songcaller

I actually believe I will join a farming family and do the 8 or 9 freeholds plan for farms. I don't have a massive idea right now, just the general concept. I would aim for guild affiliations over node affiliations though. I would expect my family not to defend any node but to milk the profits and replace lost nodes.

Noaani

@Neurath
I've not watched the stream (dont have the time), but I want to check my understanding is correct.

Players bid on essentially the rights to place a freehold somewhere on a very large piece of land. Once they have the rights to do so, they can place their freehold where ever they like within that very large piece of land.

Acquiring this land is an auction at first, but once owned by a player can be sold either directly, or via an auction.

Is this basically correct?

Songcaller

Noaani wrote: »

@Neurath
I've not watched the stream (dont have the time), but I want to check my understanding is correct.

Players bid on essentially the rights to place a freehold somewhere on a very large piece of land. Once they have the rights to do so, they can place their freehold where ever they like within that very large piece of land.

Acquiring this land is an auction at first, but once owned by a player can be sold either directly, or via an auction.

Is this basically correct?

Nikr said the first sale is auction. Second sale onwards can be direct sale or auction. You must be level 50 and complete a quest to bid. I think you can place the freehold on any plot within the plot but you can't overlap two plots half and half. You'd be better getting freeholds in different places if you want more than one due to the losses incurred after a successful siege.

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

Is this basically correct?

Yeah, pretty much correct.

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