Freehold - Aquisition, ownership and risk

One thing to remember with freehold is population desity. 75% of player will probaly become citizen of one of the 6 metro nodes ot a noce close by if there full, and freehold far away from where ever these metro nodes develope will be quite sparse population wise so there be alot less competition for freeholds.

Freeholds also have the greatest risk/investment involved out of the 3 housing types aswell but there more reward too which fits the devs goal with risk vs rewards. Since they basicly go poof if u loose the node associated with it

Nerror

Veeshan wrote: »

One thing to remember with freehold is population desity. 75% of player will probaly become citizen of one of the 6 metro nodes ot a noce close by if there full, and freehold far away from where ever these metro nodes develope will be quite sparse population wise so there be alot less competition for freeholds.

Freeholds also have the greatest risk/investment involved out of the 3 housing types aswell but there more reward too which fits the devs goal with risk vs rewards. Since they basicly go poof if u loose the node associated with it

Up to 5 metro nodes, who cover an area close to 20% of all land each, minus the areas for castles and the 4 starting areas. With 5 metros, all available freehold land falls under a metropolis. But you can also purchase the license more locally at one of the vassal nodes, if you want to be a citizen there.

As for the 75% number, I hope not. I would want Intrepid to make incentives good enough that many players will want to live in vassal nodes.

Veeshan wrote: »

One thing to remember with freehold is population desity. 75% of player will probaly become citizen of one of the 6 metro nodes ot a noce close by if there full, and freehold far away from where ever these metro nodes develope will be quite sparse population wise so there be alot less competition for freeholds.

No. This is not possible. To be a citizen you need to hold property. Via freeholds, static housing or apparments.

Player housing grants the ability to claim citizenship of a Village (stage 3) node or higher.[2][3]

You need a house to claim citizenship. We know housing prices will go up the more citizens are in a node.

It becomes costlier the higher number of citizens each time one new person wants to join to be part of a node. So, there is sort of a soft cap on how many citizens one node can have and it might be that not all in the guild can participate in that area

That means that only people belonging to guilds will be in "affluent" nodes. If you're poor, solo player or don't belong to large guild you might not have the funds necessary to afford citizenship.

BlackBrony wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

One thing to remember with freehold is population desity. 75% of player will probaly become citizen of one of the 6 metro nodes ot a noce close by if there full, and freehold far away from where ever these metro nodes develope will be quite sparse population wise so there be alot less competition for freeholds.

No. This is not possible. To be a citizen you need to hold property. Via freeholds, static housing or apparments.

In the area around the metro not all in on metro node, so metro will fill up then the next closest node will and so on.

Its like cities in realy life you have a city then when population denisity will slowly spread out from there as space/money permits

Veeshan wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

One thing to remember with freehold is population desity. 75% of player will probaly become citizen of one of the 6 metro nodes ot a noce close by if there full, and freehold far away from where ever these metro nodes develope will be quite sparse population wise so there be alot less competition for freeholds.

No. This is not possible. To be a citizen you need to hold property. Via freeholds, static housing or apparments.

In the area around the metro not all in on metro node, so metro will fill up then the next closest node will and so on.

Its like cities in realy life you have a city then when population denisity will slowly spread out from there as space/money permits

So, what you are saying is not taht you think 75% of players will become citizens of a metropolis in the game, but rather that you think 75% of players will become citizens of a metropolis or it's vassal nodes.

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

Sjelden

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

You also cant have a player market stall unless you're a citizen. So, no shop on a freehold and no market stall either if you choose not to be a citizen due to no freehold.

Sjelden

Noaani wrote: »

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

"You want to live in a city, but you can't, so you won't?"
That isn't much of an argument.

While Freeholds contain alot of content, regular player housing in cities also grant citizenship, and I am sure plenty will find this compelling.

Again, it is in the eyes of the beholder.

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

"You want to live in a city, but you can't, so you won't?"
That isn't much of an argument.

While Freeholds contain alot of content, regular player housing in cities also grant citizenship, and I am sure plenty will find this compelling.

Again, it is in the eyes of the beholder.

So, we have gone over all of this in a number of threads.

If I do not have a freehold and what I want is a freehold, then I am not going to become a citizen of a node because that may prevent me from getting a freehold.

This isn't as much in the eye of the beholder as it is just basic logic.

If becoming a citizen of a node restricts you more than not being a citizen does and I do not have a reason for becoming a citizen of a node, why would I become a citizen of a node?

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

"You want to live in a city, but you can't, so you won't?"
That isn't much of an argument.

While Freeholds contain alot of content, regular player housing in cities also grant citizenship, and I am sure plenty will find this compelling.

Again, it is in the eyes of the beholder.

What being a citizen gives me though? Are there really reasons for a casual not super hardcore player to be a citizen?

If you're a non freehold owner, you should find the farthest vassal node possible because that means lower citizenship price, and you get access to all of the metro nodes perks.
Now, if the node is attacked, why care lol? You own no property. You can barely call "instanced housing" property.
So, again, nodes are just a thing that's sitting there, not for the casual players, just for the elites.
And if that's what they want, I'm all good for it, but I keep asking myself, what do you do when there's no compelling reason to actually defend a node?
The list of things you can do keep going down.

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

if you just wanna harvest and kill mobs or players you might be right i guess, however something we dont know much about a bunch of these atm

no market either you might have AH access but i reckon to list thing on the economic node AH ull prob need to be a citizen buying might be a diffeent story though.

Also if u so desperaty want a freehold u can always play on low pop servers as an option aaswell

Veeshan wrote: »

Other stated benefits include Meri

Holy hosanna; we'll all be depressed without citizenship

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

if you just wanna harvest and kill mobs or players you might be right i guess, however something we dont know much about a bunch of these atm

no market either you might have AH access but i reckon to list thing on the economic node AH ull prob need to be a citizen buying might be a diffeent story though

Yeah, those are awesome perks. I can also get all those perks by being citizen of a vassal node (which most casual players will be due to citizen price).
So, I get all the benefits. Why should I jump to defend the node if I own no real property?

I fail to see the gameplay layer there, specially in nodes when you take out Freeholds are out of the question

You can't state the perks are awesome. Right now they are all umbrella terms. Depends entirely on the implementation. Also, most of them are naff umbrella terms lol.

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Dont need a freehold here buy the shit from people whoi can process them to craft the mats thats how the game is suppose to play out since u cant do all the gather/craftoing/processing by urself and ur not meant to

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

1 - Service building are alot of thing markets are one example here
2 - enchantment stone are tempory bonuses so buying them once will only last so long before u need a new one
3 - Only need these if you level the crafting artisan skills instead of refineing or gathering
4- bunch of buffs and things to fight over not to importent if u dnt care for pvp it seems but they buffs do help with pve i guess too
5 - meh
6- titles provide buffs/skills so might be useful
7. proviudes access to augments for 2ndary class salong with items needed for professions like fishing lures

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Augments for secondary archtype seems to be locked behind the organisations too it seems if the wiki still accurate there

We know nothing about the augments. If there is a must have augment from an organisation then that means the classes are broken because not everyone will have access to these augments. It depends on growth, node tier, player interaction and also citizenship. So, there would be a larger disparity between players and more gate keeping i suspect.

Veeshan wrote: »

Dont need a freehold here buy the shit from people whoi can process them to craft the mats thats how the game is suppose to play out since u cant do all the gather/craftoing/processing by urself and ur not meant to

I'm going to do you a favor and assume this to be true. It is an assumption, but still.

All this means is that I treat it the same as access to enhancement stones and stat migrations. I become a citizen in what ever node happens to have the thing I want for what ever the minimum period is - just to get the thing I want, then I move on.

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Augments for secondary archtype seems to be locked behind the organisations too it seems if the wiki still accurate there

A small number of augments are exclusive to social organizations and religions - this is true.

However, unless Intrepid alter the game by allowing these augments to be added to abilities in the game as second augments on abilities, that isn't really a reason.

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Augments for secondary archtype seems to be locked behind the organisations too it seems if the wiki still accurate there

A small number of augments are exclusive to social organizations and religions - this is true.

However, unless Intrepid alter the game by allowing these augments to be added to abilities in the game as second augments on abilities, that isn't really a reason.

i think they have said they can be added as second augments, but i dont remember well...also why do you say its not a reason? what if these augments are more powerful than your regular class augments...isnt that enough reason?

Depraved wrote: »

i think they have said they can be added as second augments

Actually, you are right, they have said that.

However, they have also said they are a give and take kind of thing.

So again, not really necessary. Missing out on them for the cost of avoiding all the issues that citizenship bring is still significantly worth it.

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Augments for secondary archtype seems to be locked behind the organisations too it seems if the wiki still accurate there

A small number of augments are exclusive to social organizations and religions - this is true.

However, unless Intrepid alter the game by allowing these augments to be added to abilities in the game as second augments on abilities, that isn't really a reason.

i think they have said they can be added as second augments, but i dont remember well...also why do you say its not a reason? what if these augments are more powerful than your regular class augments...isnt that enough reason?

You cannot make certain augments mandatory because there wouldn't be no choice. Imagine a feature that you must have in order to be the top and you cannot not have it, that wouldn't be good design

Depraved

BlackBrony wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Augments for secondary archtype seems to be locked behind the organisations too it seems if the wiki still accurate there

A small number of augments are exclusive to social organizations and religions - this is true.

However, unless Intrepid alter the game by allowing these augments to be added to abilities in the game as second augments on abilities, that isn't really a reason.

i think they have said they can be added as second augments, but i dont remember well...also why do you say its not a reason? what if these augments are more powerful than your regular class augments...isnt that enough reason?

You cannot make certain augments mandatory because there wouldn't be no choice. Imagine a feature that you must have in order to be the top and you cannot not have it, that wouldn't be good design

no, its called balance and a way to balance things its by trade off. if you join a religious node, you are missing out on the perks of a military, scientific and commercial node. also not eerybody is interested in that.

its like the guild skills. you either have lo number of people with guild skills, or you have a large number with no guild skills.

Depraved wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Augments for secondary archtype seems to be locked behind the organisations too it seems if the wiki still accurate there

A small number of augments are exclusive to social organizations and religions - this is true.

However, unless Intrepid alter the game by allowing these augments to be added to abilities in the game as second augments on abilities, that isn't really a reason.

i think they have said they can be added as second augments, but i dont remember well...also why do you say its not a reason? what if these augments are more powerful than your regular class augments...isnt that enough reason?

You cannot make certain augments mandatory because there wouldn't be no choice. Imagine a feature that you must have in order to be the top and you cannot not have it, that wouldn't be good design

no, its called balance and a way to balance things its by trade off. if you join a religious node, you are missing out on the perks of a military, scientific and commercial node. also not eerybody is interested in that.

Strange, that doesn't happen for freeholds.

Depraved

BlackBrony wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Sjelden wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

While this may end up being true, it won't without giving players a reason to become citizens - because again right now there isn't a compelling reason to be one.

I am confused.
Here I thought the fair amount of pushback from the latest livestream came from the fact that people really want to own a Freehold. What am I misunderstanding?

Regardless, this really is in the eyes of the beholder.

I am unsure what it is you are missing.

The pushback is largely due to most players not being able to get a freehold.

Without a freehold there is no compelling reason (currently) to be a node citizen.

appart from being locked out of most content to due with nodes if your not a citizen

You aren't locked out of much.

Bounty hunter, religion and social organization are the only thing I have come up with so far.

Citizenship benefits
Citizenship grants a number of benefits.[3]

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node.[12]
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations.[12]
Access to upper-tier crafting benches.[12]
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary.[12]
Access to buffs from certain events.[12]
Access to titles.[12][3]
Access to organizations and religions.[12]
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office).[3]
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri

Cool. Lets go through this list.

Access to limited functions and service buildings within the node. - meaningless.
Access to merchants that offer specific types of enhancement stones or stat migrations. - Can become a citizen for a day to get these.
Access to upper-tier crafting benches. - need a freehold here.
Access to a weekly allotment of core material that can only be accessed from the node's reliquary. - probably meaningless.
Access to buffs from certain events. - meaningless.
Access to titles. - meaningless.
Access to organizations and religions. - this was included in my list of things you miss out on.
Participation in the node’s government (voting or running for office). - meaningless.
Other stated benefits include: Reputation, Honor, Loyalty, Meri - most players are better off if they can avoid interacting with these systems.

Honestly, what did you think that list contained? Did you think I didn't look over it before saying there is no reason to become a citizen?

Augments for secondary archtype seems to be locked behind the organisations too it seems if the wiki still accurate there

A small number of augments are exclusive to social organizations and religions - this is true.

However, unless Intrepid alter the game by allowing these augments to be added to abilities in the game as second augments on abilities, that isn't really a reason.

i think they have said they can be added as second augments, but i dont remember well...also why do you say its not a reason? what if these augments are more powerful than your regular class augments...isnt that enough reason?

You cannot make certain augments mandatory because there wouldn't be no choice. Imagine a feature that you must have in order to be the top and you cannot not have it, that wouldn't be good design

no, its called balance and a way to balance things its by trade off. if you join a religious node, you are missing out on the perks of a military, scientific and commercial node. also not eerybody is interested in that.

Strange, that doesn't happen for freeholds.

fh dont directly give u power...and fy since they are the best type of housing, they are limited, thats where the balance is, in the limitation of people who can have them. remember the fh will impact the items that will be put in the world.